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Twelfth Team to the Big East

nelsonmuntz said:
UMass. The Big East needs a team in Massachusetts.
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This is the only answer that makes sense. Plus it gives UCONN another big conference rivalry that will sell tickets.

This idea gets rejected by this board because there are too many chicken littles afraid UMASS might become too successful. PC fans hate it even more for the same reason. Too many cowards who don't understand rivalries should be nurtured not shunned.
 
metsfan2323 said:
This is the only answer that makes sense. Plus it gives UCONN another big conference rivalry that will sell tickets.

This idea gets rejected by this board because there are too many chicken littles afraid UMASS might become too successful. PC fans hate it even more for the same reason. Too many cowards who don't understand rivalries should be nurtured not shunned.
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Should Rhody be invited also?
 
I came here to tell you that it’s incredibly stupid to invite Gonzaga given how reliant they are on Mark Few for their success.

But then someone suggested UMass and I lost my train of thought.

The Boneyard is like 25 years old and that was one of the top 25 dumbest things I have ever read here. It should be sold as an NFT.
 
Fishy said:
I came here to tell you that it’s incredibly stupid to invite Gonzaga given how reliant they are on Mark Few for their success.

But then someone suggested UMass and I lost my train of thought.

The Boneyard is like 25 years old and that was one of the top 25 dumbest things I have ever read here. It should be sold as an NFT.
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I love it when people call an idea dumb without explaining why or offering a better suggestion.

Your prefer some of the other ideas offered in this thread? How come you didn't call out Canisius or Memphis?

Only UMASS gets under your skin, perhaps because they are a rival.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
I love it when people call an idea dumb without explaining why or offering a better suggestion.

Your prefer some of the other ideas offered in this thread? How come you didn't call out Canisius or Memphis?

Only UMASS gets under your skin, perhaps because they are a rival.
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I saw Canisius and took that as sarcasm lol. Memphis would be good if they didn't have football. UMass could benefit from the Big East and eventually add value lol. But a Western Kentucky, VCU or Dayton wouldn't be bad in my opinion.
 
ucp990411 said:
UMass is a rival?
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Unfortunately, yes…hockey and football…I would have to give my vote to Notre Dame for the logical pick, maybe the Bonnies as another option?
 
SprtsThrpyCT said:
Unfortunately, yes…hockey and football…I would have to give my vote to Notre Dame for the logical pick, maybe the Bonnies as another option?
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They really aren't a rival in either. A rivalry has nothing to do with quality and everything to do with what people care about - and nobody cares about UMass.
 
metsfan2323 said:
This is the only answer that makes sense. Plus it gives UCONN another big conference rivalry that will sell tickets.

This idea gets rejected by this board because there are too many chicken littles afraid UMASS might become too successful. PC fans hate it even more for the same reason. Too many cowards who don't understand rivalries should be nurtured not shunned.
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UMASS at present, would be a lower level team in the NBE.

If you want New England, Vermont would be a better idea with their coach and the team's success in getting to the NCAA post-season tournament.

Putting the regional rivalry aside, any of Dayton or VCU gives teams with a track record of success and a better recruiting area. St. Bonaventure would be okay too.
 
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Surprised nobody has mentioned St. Louis. That’s the logical answer I think if we’re looking at realistic options.
 
VCU - Another large public with $2 billion endowment, if that matters, and gets the B.E. in Richmond, Virginia. The A-10 keeps Richmond, nice city
St. Louis - A somewhat good travel partner for Creighton and great soccer program, great city
UMass or Temple - Large public with similar football issues

I think we need at least one more public U, if not more
 
Didn't we just do this thread about a month ago? Why is a back? The Big East isn't expanding. There is nobody to add. If the P5 blow themselves up again then we can talk about it.
 
metsfan2323 said:
I love it when people call an idea dumb without explaining why or offering a better suggestion.

Your prefer some of the other ideas offered in this thread? How come you didn't call out Canisius or Memphis?

Only UMASS gets under your skin, perhaps because they are a rival.
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Because adding UMass does not raise the profile of our conference. The Big East is trying to bolster its brand on a national level, not weigh it down with poorly branded mid-majors. It’s pretty straightforward.
 
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McLovin said:
Because adding UMass does not raise the profile of our conference. The Big East is trying to bolster its brand on a national level, not weigh it down with poorly branded mid-majors. It’s pretty straightforward.
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Give UMASS a Big East upgrade and they would be quite capable of doing what Houston did with a cheaper AAC upgrade. They are also the state flagship of a state with twice CT's population. Done correctly expansion should be about TV market potential, and don't give me the old BS that people in MASS don't care about UMASS. I remember the 90's UMASS basketball mania in that state too well to buy that crap.

FOX will be funding any expansion, pretend you work for them and are in charge of picking the 12th team. Nobody beats UMASS's market potential and they are a known rival for UCONN. UMASS wins in a landslide.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
Give UMASS a Big East upgrade and they would be quite capable of doing what Houston did with a cheaper AAC upgrade. They are also the state flagship of a state with twice CT's population. Done correctly expansion should be about market potential.

FOX will be funding any expansion, pretend you work for them and are in charge of picking the 12th team. Nobody beats UMASS's market potential and they are a known rival for UCONN. UMASS wins in a landslide.
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You are correct it should be about market potential. But the concept of market potential has changed since the 2010 realignment period. It is no longer about “market size” (how many people live in a geographic area the team is located) but about “brand size” (how many people nationally follow that brand).

Gonzaga (Notre Dame or Kansas, but that won’t happen) is the only brands with the market potential to boost the Big East profile. UConn vs Gonzaga is marketable as a national game for FOX people across the country tune in for. UConn vs UMass… not so much. Just like how UConn vs Houston didn’t excite very many people nationally (despite Houston being a good team). As a result, the TV deal ESPN gave the AAC was complete trash.

UConn has a strong brand, but we all saw what happens to that brand when it gets aligned with brands no one cares about. Let’s learn from that and not hope to repeat those mistakes.
 
metsfan2323 said:
Give UMASS a Big East upgrade and they would be quite capable of doing what Houston did with a cheaper AAC upgrade. They are also the state flagship of a state with twice CT's population. Done correctly expansion should be about TV market potential, and don't give me the old BS that people in MASS don't care about UMASS. I remember the 90's UMASS basketball mania in that state too well to buy that crap.

FOX will be funding any expansion, pretend you work for them and are in charge of picking the 12th team. Nobody beats UMASS's market potential and they are a known rival for UCONN. UMASS wins in a landslide.
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Do you live in Massachusetts? Because I do and there are far more UConn bumper stickers in the eastern half of the state than those for UMass. Northeastern received more coverage last year than them. No one cares about UMass or BC for that matter. The local sports coverage skips over them too. They have no market.

Now let’s look at their performance. They have not made the round of 32 since 1996. You know which teams have? Norfolk State, Middle Tennessee, Oral Roberts, Collin State, Hampton, and so many more.

The ENTIRETY of their history is from 1992-1996. That includes all of their NCAA accomplishments. That is a garbage resume.

Call UMass a rival is like saying the Washington Generals were a rival of the Globetrotters. It’s nonsense.
 
I'm the 10th person in this thread to say this, but that's just so many long trips for Gonzaga. Don't see it.

It's like putting a pro team (NBA, NFL) in Europe. Sounds cool but logistically it's too difficult.
 
metsfan2323 said:
Give UMASS a Big East upgrade and they would be quite capable of doing what Houston did with a cheaper AAC upgrade. They are also the state flagship of a state with twice CT's population. Done correctly expansion should be about TV market potential, and don't give me the old BS that people in MASS don't care about UMASS. I remember the 90's UMASS basketball mania in that state too well to buy that crap.

FOX will be funding any expansion, pretend you work for them and are in charge of picking the 12th team. Nobody beats UMASS's market potential and they are a known rival for UCONN. UMASS wins in a landslide.
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This is literally the worst (non-covid) argument I've ever read on the Boneyard. Other posters have done an excellent job of explaining why your position is untenable. I only write this to plead that you reconsider your thoughts, and may god have mercy on your soul.
 
Said it in another post. Buffalo aka UB, academically light years ahead of UMass and every MAC school except Miami. Crazy as it sounds, another large state school with good academics in the Big East, they would be a much better addition than UMass, and an annual football opponent? Plus might piss off Suckacuse
 
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dvegas said:
Said it in another post. Buffalo aka UB, academically light years ahead of UMass and every MAC school except Miami. Crazy as it sounds, an other large state school with good academics in the Big East, they would be a much better addition than UMass, and another annual football opponent? Plus might piss of Suckacuse
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Definitely a better option academically and for basketball. But I'm not quite sure it's a great option overall. Their basketball is on the downhill, realistically. They're still riding that Nate Oats high, and I think in 5 years they'll be closer to Depaul than they are Nova.

Zags is not a realistic option.

Notre Dame maybe... but I don't see what's really in it for them.

If there were a "great" option out they, they already would have been invited to the Big East. There isn't a great option left. The great option was UConn.
 
dvegas said:
Said it in another post. Buffalo aka UB, academically light years ahead of UMass and every MAC school except Miami.
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Have you checked the US news rankings for Buffalo and UMASS recently?

even if you don't like those rankings, it kind of defeats the argument that UB is significantly better than UMASS.
 
metsfan2323 said:
Have you checked the US news rankings for Buffalo and UMASS recently?

even if you don't like those rankings, it kind of defeats the argument that UB is significantly better than UMASS.
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Maybe not, but UB is an AAU member, UMass is not. I'd put more weight in that than rankings via a privately owned and managed publication.
 
Gonzaga or Notre Dame. Wouldn't be opposed to Temple, but they're a distant second choice
 
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