Transgender HS athletes win All-State honors in women's track

[VAUConnFan]

A women's CT state record that stood for over 20 years is broken by an athlete born male and you don't consider that "empirical evidence" ?
This was a Women's state level meet that was "dominated" (not my words) by 2 transgender athletes. What would qualify as empirical evidence in your opinion?

When/If transgender females overwhelmingly dominate over a cross section of athletic endeavors over a period of time, I will join the growing discriminating/segregating/whining chorus. Until then, I will stand firm with the belief that it is about hormones, not anatomy. Regardless of our opinions, it is a discussion/debate that has to be addressed.

 

[CocoHusky]

When/If transgender females overwhelmingly dominate over a cross section of athletic endeavors over a period of time, I will join the growing discriminating/segregating/whining chorus. Until then, I will stand firm with the belief that it is about hormones, not anatomy. Regardless of our opinions, it is a discussion/debate that has to be addressed.

In the meantime us discriminating segregating, whiners will try and hold the line while you catch up to the unfair realities of today.

 

[SVCBeercats]

Semenya is not a male. Nor is she a "male-to-female" athlete.

Semenya according to leaked information from an IAAF sex verification test lead to her being labelled as having an intersex trait. Which among other things can be internalized gonads. Or it is quite possible Semenya may have hyperandrogenism where the woman produces excessive amounts of male sex hormones such as testosterone. Hyperandrogenism can be innate (genetic) or acquired (drug doping). In any case to eliminate an unnatural advantage due to drug doping or genetics competitors in women's sports take medicine to lower their testosterone levels in order to have a level playing field. Regulating women with clinical and biological hyperandrogenism is an invitation to criticism because biological parameters of sex are not neatly divided into only two categories. There exists a significant variety of mutations. It is, however, the responsibility of the sports-governing bodies to do their best to guarantee a level playing field to all athletes.

 

[SVCBeercats]

When/If transgender females overwhelmingly dominate over a cross section of athletic endeavors over a period of time, I will join the growing discriminating/segregating/whining chorus. Until then, I will stand firm with the belief that it is about hormones, not anatomy. Regardless of our opinions, it is a discussion/debate that has to be addressed.

Why don't you study the available scientific and medical literature in order to base your response in as much fact and as little in opinion as possible or is yours philosophical stance bordering on a religion? When you have completed your study of the available facts then report back.

 

[VAUConnFan]

Why don't you study the available scientific and medical literature in order to base your response in as much fact and as little in opinion as possible or is yours philosophical stance bordering on a religion? When you have completed your study of the available facts then report back.

This thread started over a week ago and immediately peaked my interest. My responses have been late to this thread because of the time and effort spent researching the subject. Weighing in with a minority view against the overwhelming consensus requires nothing short of fact based opinions.

 

[Plebe]

Semenya according to leaked information from an IAAF sex verification test lead to her being labelled as having an intersex trait. Which among other things can be internalized gonads. Or it is quite possible Semenya may have hyperandrogenism where the woman produces excessive amounts of male sex hormones such as testosterone. Hyperandrogenism can be innate (genetic) or acquired (drug doping). In any case to eliminate an unnatural advantage due to drug doping or genetics competitors in women's sports take medicine to lower their testosterone levels in order to have a level playing field. Regulating women with clinical and biological hyperandrogenism is an invitation to criticism because biological parameters of sex are not neatly divided into only two categories. There exists a significant variety of mutations. It is, however, the responsibility of the sports-governing bodies to do their best to guarantee a level playing field to all athletes.

Wait, aren't genetic traits natural by definition?

 

[temery]

Great, I'm all in favor of eliminating any "unnatural advantage due to genetics." Among other things, this will require modifying the skeletal structure of all athletes so that they are all the same height. Because it's undeniable that a seven-foot-tall basketball or volleyball player has "an unnatural genetic advantage" over the five-footer population. Just to name one example.

Yes, being tall in basketball is an advantage. That's why most elite bb players are tall. Marathon runners are skinny, and most gymnasts are short.

The Olympics IS athletes having an unnatural genetic advantage, on display. Darwin would have loved the Olympics.

 

[SVCBeercats]

Wait, aren't genetic traits natural by definition?

no

 

[Plebe]

no

A one-word response. Nice.

<going into teeth-pulling mode> So what is the difference between a "natural" genetic trait and an "unnatural" one?