Transfers - Outbound (Part Duex)

[Hornet22]

where these kids are going really says a lot about what kinda talent this team had. Minus Uguak to TCU and Jones to the NFL, most of the team was FCS talent, or not even able to be picked up by any D1 program.

Walker to Buffalo and Lucien to Vanderbilt.

It’s a bit more nuanced than that. Most of the kids that entered the portal from UConn weren’t starters and didn’t get much playing time. Unfortunately when you put out a tape full of special teams highlights it’s tough to get picked up whether you have talent or not. Also most portal sharks want players to early enroll to get a jump start on the playbook and to participate in Spring ball. I know of at least one player in the portal that hasn’t found a home yet who was sought after by USF but they wanted him early and he couldn’t since he has one semester left to graduate.
There are enough players in the portal that can matriculate early for these schools to not waste their time on a player who can’t help immediately

 

[Pudge]

Not sure why you take the statement personally pudge. Facts are just… facts. Most HS football players aren’t FBS caliber, surely that’s just a fact we all agree on? No one said anything about their efforts.

How is that a FACT? It's not provable in any way. We are going to argue FCS recruits for the next decade. Do you know why? Because the Northeast (count 9 states ... and it doesn't get better if you add PA, MD, DE) has like 8 Universities in FBS; all our peer Universities (prestige Northeast + New England) play FCS. By definition, a disproportionately large number of the D1 talent qualified in a big demo slice plays FCS.

Alabama & North Carolina have 8 FBS programs apiece. I think you guys just like to denigrate kids over the last decade. We sucked for a lot of reasons. Professional coaches making millions could not develop a winning Program: that's where my scorn is targeted. Not kids.

FCS caliber does not mean what you are stating.

 

[CTMike]

I referred to FBS not FCS, and total HS players > total FBS players, not sure what you are even arguing. The kids played hard but we had more than our fair share of reaches/borderline FBS talent. Good luck to them wherever they land.

 

[mikedog10]

How is that a FACT? It's not provable in any way.

How many high school football players are there in the country? How many FBS football players are there in the country? What percentage of high school football players play at the FBS level?

Most high school football players do not play at the FBS level. Provable fact.

 

[Pudge]

Merely this. I understand demographics and markets. You throw shadow over about 12 states by saying players are FCS or FBS. The disproportionate number of FBS University programs in some states proves that argument totally false. Even with less participation in New England or Upstate/NYC ... you are still left with solid talented kids that go FCS because that's what the geography says. There aren't significantly more players better in Alabama to fill 8 FBS programs. Your provable fact is meaningless. In New England, New York and New Jersey, there are 44 million people. 5 million in Alabama.

Our region is filling 8 FBS programs (one of which shouldn't count - Army) with 9 times more people than fill the FBS state of Alabama. Logic tells you ... the talented kids from our high schools, prep, etc go to FCS top level. Even if you opine the southern states kids are just better athletically or better trained year round.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

I forget the exact data but per capita, CT within the past half dozen years was in the top 10-12 in terms of producing D1 football players. NJ is up there as well. Just a way of saying good players can and do come from everywhere; not just down south, out west, or from within the rust belt.

 

[mikedog10]

Merely this. I understand demographics and markets. You throw shadow over about 12 states by saying players are FCS or FBS. The disproportionate number of FBS University programs in some states proves that argument totally false. Even with less participation in New England or Upstate/NYC ... you are still left with solid talented kids that go FCS because that's what the geography says. There aren't significantly more players better in Alabama to fill 8 FBS programs. Your provable fact is meaningless. In New England, New York and New Jersey, there are 44 million people. 5 million in Alabama.

Our region is filling 8 FBS programs (one of which shouldn't count - Army) with 9 times more people than fill the FBS state of Alabama. Logic tells you ... the talented kids from our high schools, prep, etc go to FCS top level. Even if you opine the southern states kids are just better athletically or better trained year round.

The percentage of high school football players that go on to play FBS has nothing to do with the population of different states, or what regions might produce more talent.

 

[Chin Diesel]

How is that a FACT? It's not provable in any way. We are going to argue FCS recruits for the next decade. Do you know why? Because the Northeast (count 9 states ... and it doesn't get better if you add PA, MD, DE) has like 8 Universities in FBS; all our peer Universities (prestige Northeast + New England) play FCS. By definition, a disproportionately large number of the D1 talent qualified in a big demo slice plays FCS.

Alabama & North Carolina have 8 FBS programs apiece. I think you guys just like to denigrate kids over the last decade. We sucked for a lot of reasons. Professional coaches making millions could not develop a winning Program: that's where my scorn is targeted. Not kids.

FCS caliber does not mean what you are stating.

Out of curiosity what are the 8 FBS universities in Alabama?

 

[CCSUblue]

Out of curiosity what are the 8 FBS universities in Alabama?

There's only 5... Alabama, Auburn, Southern Alabama, Troy, UAB.

 

[AzHusky]

6 if you count North Alabama
As of the 2021–22 academic year, North Alabama is in the fourth year of a four-year transition to Division I and will become an active Division I member in 2022–23.

 

[gioff2323]

Why do you introduce facts to counter an otherwise solid argument? Especially one going nowhere?

 

[UCSouth]

There's only 5... Alabama, Auburn, Southern Alabama, Troy, UAB.

Actually, there might be 9

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Actually, there might be 9

FBS

 

[ScottVib]

There are 10 total D1 programs in Alabama; 6 FBS and 4 FCS. North Alabama isn't moving to FBS.. but Jacksonville State is.

FCS (4): North Alabama, Alabama State, Alabama A&M, Samford
FBS (6): Auburn, Alabama, Troy, South Alabama, Jacksonville State, UAB

 

[Chin Diesel]

There are 10 total D1 programs in Alabama; 6 FBS and 4 FCS. North Alabama isn't moving to FBS.. but Jacksonville State is.

FCS (4): North Alabama, Alabama State, Alabama A&M, Samford
FBS (6): Auburn, Alabama, Troy, South Alabama, Jacksonville State, UAB

And there aren't 8 in North Carolina either.

 

[Pudge]

The percentage of high school football players that go on to play FBS has nothing to do with the population of different states, or what regions might produce more talent.

I would never want you to be a business partner. You don't understand demographics, statistics or markets

 

[Pudge]

There are 10 total D1 programs in Alabama; 6 FBS and 4 FCS. North Alabama isn't moving to FBS.. but Jacksonville State is.

FCS (4): North Alabama, Alabama State, Alabama A&M, Samford
FBS (6): Auburn, Alabama, Troy, South Alabama, Jacksonville State, UAB

Hyperbolic me. But the truth: NC has 7 (UNC, NC State, Duke, WF, ECU, Charlotte, App State then Elon, etc etc). We act like there is some huge variance in FCS FBS when the fact is we have a very imbalanced supply and demand market. Particularly when a kid decides he doesn't or can't be in the top Power 5 (with lots of advantages getting $30-55m per year by conference). I think a good 3 star or 2 star is not dropping far by going to Villanova versus going to ECU. In quality of experience.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Hyperbolic me. But the truth: NC has 7 (UNC, NC State, Duke, WF, ECU, Charlotte, App State then Elon, etc etc). We act like there is some huge variance in FCS FBS when the fact is we have a very imbalanced supply and demand market. Particularly when a kid decides he doesn't or can't be in the top Power 5 (with lots of advantages getting $30-55m per year by conference). I think a good 3 star or 2 star is not dropping far by going to Villanova versus going to ECU. In quality of experience.

Been to both places. Dowdy was at about 80-85% capacity when I attended. I would disagree.

 

[Ldandy]

UConn's Record from 2011-2021 is 31-90. You can argue anything you like about coaching, offensive/defensive philosophy, S&C, or whatever else, but at the end of the day the lack of overall team talent is the most obvious factor in this W/L Record. Its not degrading to say that certain kids are not athletically gifted enough to play FBS Football. It doesn't make them bad students, athletes, or people. It just points out what people already know.

If you've not seen this on the field over the last decade+ of play then you are probably a homer to the point that you will believe something contrary to the facts presented. When the overwhelming majority of a team has primarily FCS or low G5 Offers you have an FCS or low G5 Team. Now some of these kids were certainly overlooked in their recruitment. A number of them developed into legit FBS Contributors, with some even making it all the way to the NFL. However these types of kids were the exception not the rule over the last decade.

There's a reason that Uconn was in 4 quarter games with Yale and Wagner over the last 2 seasons and its not because they were entirely outcoached. Mora needs to fix recruiting first and foremost or nothing else matters. He's not running a gimmick offense like The Triple Option or Run and Shoot so he can't necessarily mask talent deficiencies with scheme. He needs to get a foundation of kids with G5 and some low P5 Offer sheets out of HS. He needs to supplement that by utilizing the portal not for D2 QBs like FHCRE but for P5 Kids stepping down in competition, or competitive G5 Kids looking to move closer to home. Its not too late to get things right.

 

[Pudge]

Been to both places. Dowdy was at about 80-85% capacity when I attended. I would disagree.

carefully worded.

Quality of Experience. O is it just me: I would rather be in proximity to Philadelphia than Greenville NC; in Villanova PA than near the ECU campus; to be near the Philly, NYC and northeast job base than not; to learn with a far higher achieving class than not; to play where my parents could see me every darn game. And coaching? I dunno. There is a gap from UAlbany to UConn; from ECU to FCS. However, some schools like Villanova have guys who just coach/teach for decades because ... see ABOVE.

 

[Pudge]

UConn's Record from 2011-2021 is 31-90. You can argue anything you like about coaching, offensive/defensive philosophy, S&C, or whatever else, but at the end of the day the lack of overall team talent is the most obvious factor in this W/L Record. Its not degrading to say that certain kids are not athletically gifted enough to play FBS Football. It doesn't make them bad students, athletes, or people. It just points out what people already know.

If you've not seen this on the field over the last decade+ of play then you are probably a homer to the point that you will believe something contrary to the facts presented. When the overwhelming majority of a team has primarily FCS or low G5 Offers you have an FCS or low G5 Team. Now some of these kids were certainly overlooked in their recruitment. A number of them developed into legit FBS Contributors, with some even making it all the way to the NFL. However these types of kids were the exception not the rule over the last decade.

There's a reason that Uconn was in 4 quarter games with Yale and Wagner over the last 2 seasons and its not because they were entirely outcoached. Mora needs to fix recruiting first and foremost or nothing else matters. He's not running a gimmick offense like The Triple Option or Run and Shoot so he can't necessarily mask talent deficiencies with scheme. He needs to get a foundation of kids with G5 and some low P5 Offer sheets out of HS. He needs to supplement that by utilizing the portal not for D2 QBs like FHCRE but for P5 Kids stepping down in competition, or competitive G5 Kids looking to move closer to home. Its not too late to get things right.

I don't wholly disagree; you make your points well.

However, Paul Pasqualoni & Bob Diaco & Randy Edsall failed. Huge. Even after a long long period of success and bowls, PP could not infuse talent to - what many of us think - was a darn solid roster. He played Johnny McEntee - for what reasoning. We had massive failure to take a Program as the CEO and hire the right guys and to form the right depth at key positions and to run a modern offense and defense. He hired George DeLeone. Damn. Diaco and his cranberry pants. Edsall and his blame others. We ran the gamut. BTW. Maybe we would debate for a week whether the way HCRE ran the UCONN football program from 2002-2010 could be replicated today. But WE are still a Development Program. You have to be great at identifying talent that is top athletically and can grow into great positional production. We don't naturally outsell BC or Rutgers.

I don't think Edsall 2.0 was wholly lacking in talent to 1.0. I just don't. Somehow, a OLine that had probably zero guys who would get a P5 offer in 2004 were solid. The right OLine coach molding a unit. Edsall had years to work his laboratory.

What we see in Mora ... and we all say the same thing - we haven't seen a game yet ... is a Modern Professionally run college structure. A philosophy and culture that makes sense. Recruiting follows that implementation. He did great from ground Zero to 60 days. That isn't easy ever. But the layers and talent in his staff hires and the theme of who he hired ... to me that is clear.

 

[hardcorehusky]

I don't wholly disagree; you make your points well.

However, Paul Pasqualoni & Bob Diaco & Randy Edsall failed. Huge. Even after a long long period of success and bowls, PP could not infuse talent to - what many of us think - was a darn solid roster. He played Johnny McEntee - for what reasoning. We had massive failure to take a Program as the CEO and hire the right guys and to form the right depth at key positions and to run a modern offense and defense. He hired George DeLeone. Damn. Diaco and his cranberry pants. Edsall and his blame others. We ran the gamut. BTW. Maybe we would debate for a week whether the way HCRE ran the UCONN football program from 2002-2010 could be replicated today. But WE are still a Development Program. You have to be great at identifying talent that is top athletically and can grow into great positional production. We don't naturally outsell BC or Rutgers.

I don't think Edsall 2.0 was wholly lacking in talent to 1.0. I just don't. Somehow, a OLine that had probably zero guys who would get a P5 offer in 2004 were solid. The right OLine coach molding a unit. Edsall had years to work his laboratory.

What we see in Mora ... and we all say the same thing - we haven't seen a game yet ... is a Modern Professionally run college structure. A philosophy and culture that makes sense. Recruiting follows that implementation. He did great from ground Zero to 60 days. That isn't easy ever. But the layers and talent in his staff hires and the theme of who he hired ... to me that is clear.

To me the biggest difference on field between RE V1 and RE V2 was coaching. Mike Foley was a GREAT OL coach. Giufre sucked. The past years team had really good skilled position guys. Not superstar but you could win with these guys. The O line wasn't coach well and neither was the QB position and that kills you right there.

The D was serviceable and you have one guy who will be making some good coin pretty shortly in the NFL. So you can't say it was the talent. It just wasn't coached right and it showed on the field.

Is there room for talent upgrades, yes. But we didn't coach what we had correctly and now we will see if Mora and his young assistants can do a better job of communicating, game planning and winning.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Hyperbolic me. But the truth: NC has 7 (UNC, NC State, Duke, WF, ECU, Charlotte, App State then Elon, etc etc). We act like there is some huge variance in FCS FBS when the fact is we have a very imbalanced supply and demand market. Particularly when a kid decides he doesn't or can't be in the top Power 5 (with lots of advantages getting $30-55m per year by conference). I think a good 3 star or 2 star is not dropping far by going to Villanova versus going to ECU. In quality of experience.

Agree with much of this and I think with the changing of the transfer portal rules, there are going to be some borderline P5 type players that decide to go lower P5/Independent (cough, cough UConn)/FCS with the idea that they can prove themselves and perhaps transfer up to high/higher P5 (there sure will be lots of churn going up and down the food chain).

 

[Palatine]

UConn's Record from 2011-2021 is 31-90. You can argue anything you like about coaching, offensive/defensive philosophy, S&C, or whatever else, but at the end of the day the lack of overall team talent is the most obvious factor in this W/L Record. Its not degrading to say that certain kids are not athletically gifted enough to play FBS Football. It doesn't make them bad students, athletes, or people. It just points out what people already know.

If you've not seen this on the field over the last decade+ of play then you are probably a homer to the point that you will believe something contrary to the facts presented. When the overwhelming majority of a team has primarily FCS or low G5 Offers you have an FCS or low G5 Team. Now some of these kids were certainly overlooked in their recruitment. A number of them developed into legit FBS Contributors, with some even making it all the way to the NFL. However these types of kids were the exception not the rule over the last decade.

There's a reason that Uconn was in 4 quarter games with Yale and Wagner over the last 2 seasons and its not because they were entirely outcoached. Mora needs to fix recruiting first and foremost or nothing else matters. He's not running a gimmick offense like The Triple Option or Run and Shoot so he can't necessarily mask talent deficiencies with scheme. He needs to get a foundation of kids with G5 and some low P5 Offer sheets out of HS. He needs to supplement that by utilizing the portal not for D2 QBs like FHCRE but for P5 Kids stepping down in competition, or competitive G5 Kids looking to move closer to home. Its not too late to get things right.

Have you watched any of the games? UConn ran the most vanilla offense in country. And amazingly the defense was less innovative. Pasqualoni had a losing record with 12 future NFL players on his roster. Plenty of talent has come through the program. What is true is we haven't had the kind of trancendent player that can elevate a team. And then there was the Edsall rerun, who didn't think he could use the transfer portal to shore up weak areas. A true idiot. Even so, we had more than enough to beat Holy Cross.

 

[UConnJim]

Have you watched any of the games? UConn ran the most vanilla offense in country. And amazingly the defense was less innovative. Pasqualoni had a losing record with 12 future NFL players on his roster. Plenty of talent has come through the program. What is true is we haven't had the kind of trancendent player that can elevate a team. And then there was the Edsall rerun, who didn't think he could use the transfer portal to shore up weak areas. A true idiot. Even so, we had more than enough to beat Holy Cross.

If UConn had a competent offense over the past 7 years, we would have seen more wins. Neither Diaco nor Edsall 2.0 could recruit good QBs (I think SK is an exception) and Edsall made a major blunder in trying to have the OL coach also be the OC even though he had no experience as an OC. UConn desperately needed an OL coach to focus on the OL over the past few years.

 

[gioff2323]

If UConn had a competent offense over the past 7 years, we would have seen more wins. Neither Diaco nor Edsall 2.0 could recruit good QBs (I think Steven Krajewski is an exception) and Edsall made a major blunder in trying to have the OL coach also be the OC even though he had no experience as an OC. UConn desperately needed an OL coach to focus on the OL over the past few years.

Pindell was good.

While better coaching would have led to a few more wins in recent past, we all know we need upgrades on roster, on staff and in leadership roles at U. We addressed one. We seem to be addressing another. The leadership in storrs is clueless. Look forward boys, there’s little good you will find looking back.

 

[Bongo Fury]

If UConn had a competent offense over the past 7 years, we would have seen more wins. Neither Diaco nor Edsall 2.0 could recruit good QBs (I think Steven Krajewski is an exception) and Edsall made a major blunder in trying to have the OL coach also be the OC even though he had no experience as an OC. UConn desperately needed an OL coach to focus on the OL over the past few years.

We get excited or anxious for any new QB recruit. Some are better than expected but many fall short. I don’t care about his stats or throwing mechanics. TP is a leader and can move the offense.

 

[formerlurker]

We get excited or anxious for any new QB recruit. Some are better than expected but many fall short. I don’t care about his stats or throwing mechanics. Tyler Phommachanh is a leader and can move the offense.

Yes, sir.

 

[hardcorehusky]

If UConn had a competent offense over the past 7 years, we would have seen more wins. Neither Diaco nor Edsall 2.0 could recruit good QBs (I think Steven Krajewski is an exception) and Edsall made a major blunder in trying to have the OL coach also be the OC even though he had no experience as an OC. UConn desperately needed an OL coach to focus on the OL over the past few years.

Bryant Shireffs was the best overall qb we have had in the last 10 yrs or so. Pindell was a great athlete and runner but not a great passer. Whitmer was ok and I can't think of anyone else who is worth mentioning.

 

[gioff2323]

How sad is that