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Unfortunate that Black is leaving. Not sure when he was supposed to play though we had 2 good backs ahead of him, hard to find carries for 3. And we don't exactly blow teams out which is typically when you can get other backs more carries. Guess he wasn't willing to wait his turn
 
Yeah, Edsall didn’t play him because he is an extraordinary talent. He’ll undoubtedly move onto Bama or the OSU sit out a year.

Honest to god, nothing against the kid, but the reason he’s moving on is pretty obvious.
Was it bad eye discipline?
 
Because Edsall is a terrible coach?

Yes. That must be it. A guy who sent multiple two stars and walk ons to the NFL must be wrong when he doesn't play someone.

Do I want all these players gone? Of course not. But the assuming that if a player leaves for lack of playing time Edsall must be wrong about him -- well, see my other threaD.
 
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Yes. That must be it. A guy who sent multiple two stars and walk ons to the NFL must be wrong when he doesn't play someone.

Do I want all these players gone? Of course not. But the assuming that if a player leaves for lack of playing time Edsall must be wrong about him -- well, see my other threaD.
You mean the guy with a losing record as a head coach and 2 in conference winning seasons (out of 15). Yeah, let me count on that guy to evaluate talent.
 
What a friggin hypocrite. In a post we're you destroying a coach for not winning, you take the time to also destroy him for taking steps that he thinks are necessary to rebuild the program. May you get judged at your office just as fairly.
You miss the point amigo. He loses BECAUSE of the methodology. Those steps are NOT necessary. The point is to win the hearts and minds of the players that you inherit. You see it every year across the country when special coaches take over dysfunctional programs. When poor coaches step into situations like UConn 2017, you get a mess like this. This method failed him at Maryland ( my point) and it is repeating itself here. The losing is the byproduct. Im not saying we would be bowl bound, just that we wouldn't be in this abyss.
 
I Hear that Kyle Williams will be sticking around for 2020
Black was nailed to the bench when Edsall decided to use only two RBs regardless of score. Then when Thompkins got hurt, Edsall still didn't play Black. Don't blame him for moving on.
Dante Black is an outstanding athlete and was the highest ranked Edsall recruit in the class of 2018. Edsall did not take advantage of the four game rule last year and sat him out the entire season until a few plays in the last game. Then he does the exact same thing to him in 2019 when it is a blowout game and when Mensah and Thompkins are injured.

RE may be good at evaluating talent but how is a player suppose to develop when Edsall doesn’t give them game time or we go through three offensive coaches in three years? These are some things that need to improve moving forward.
 
You mean the guy with a losing record as a head coach and 2 in conference winning seasons (out of 15). Yeah, let me count on that guy to evaluate talent.

One thing you could count on basically his entire tenure first time around was a good to dominant running game. There are plenty of places to question him but evaluating running back talent is not one of them
 
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Unfortunate that Black is leaving. Not sure when he was supposed to play though we had 2 good backs ahead of him, hard to find carries for 3. And we don't exactly blow teams out which is typically when you can get other backs more carries. Guess he wasn't willing to wait his turn
I don’t think it’s about “waiting his time.” There were plenty of times Edsall could’ve thrown that kid a bone. How about all those blow out games in 2018 and 2019? How about when KM and AT were injured? Or how about giving him some reps when we were down by 35 points in the fourth quarter.
 
Kids that transfer will be more than likely be granted immediate eligibility. Them dropping to independent while being recruited to a team under the impression of conference affiliation may be enough. Not to mention three different OCs in three years. He’ll have a solid pitch to be granted immediate eligibility. Look at Tate martell he got immediate eligibility under way less circumstances
 
Kids that transfer will be more than likely be granted immediate eligibility. Them dropping to independent while being recruited to a team under the impression of conference affiliation may be enough. Not to mention three different OCs in three years. He’ll have a solid pitch to be granted immediate eligibility. Look at Tate martell he got immediate eligibility under way less circumstances
Maybe, but look on Twitter to see what schools are following kids. I think if an undergrad who didn’t play is looking to move to a P5, they probably need to go JUCO.
 
Maybe, but look on Twitter to see what schools are following kids. I think if an undergrad who didn’t play is looking to move to a P5, they probably need to go JUCO.

yea probably true on that unless they alreadyhad relationship with the kid. I was more speaking on if he’d have to sit a year. A out of these kids if they leave now will have a real good shot at immediate eligibility
 
I thought Zavier Scott was still recovering from injuries. He's probably a better pass catcher than a RB.
His knee was shredded at the end of last season. Think he tore the ACL, PCL and MCL and who knows what else. That could be difficult to come back from. I thought he showed a lot of promise last year.
 
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Carroll was an academic casualty. Unfortunately, that happens.

Out of the 5th year guys that aren't returning, maybe 2 to 3 were going to be starters next year. It would have been great to keep those 3, but most of the 5th year guys were not going to be significant contributors.
I don’t think you have a grasp on what is a significant contributor. Their contributions are needed if only to convey to the younger players that we’re part of a culture and we’re sticking with it and we want everyone to see that. Instead just the opposite is happening. Younger players look and see well we have to start considering the transfer portal as a viable option.
They also are needed on the field, to run legit practices, to pass along the schemes, and most importantly to fill the roster with competitive personnel.
Donovan Williams is the epitome of a team player. What does his leaving say in regard to the program?
 
I don’t think you have a grasp on what is a significant contributor. Their contributions are needed if only to convey to the younger players that we’re part of a culture and we’re sticking with it and we want everyone to see that. Instead just the opposite is happening. Younger players look and see well we have to start considering the transfer portal as a viable option.
They also are needed on the field, to run legit practices, to pass along the schemes, and most importantly to fill the roster with competitive personnel.
Donovan Williams is the epitome of a team player. What does his leaving say in regard to the program?
A breath of fresh air? I agree. We all owe a ton of thanks to Donovan. From starting 3 games a true freshman at QB un expectedly to changing positions numerous times and multiple coaching staff changes. He stuck it out. I would read too much into his moving on. Tyler Davis did the same.
 
Joe Williams was recognized as a very talented football player before he got to UConn, but he had to improve his academics which meant some schools backed off. He would have been a pro prospect at UConn if he hadn’t gotten into legal troubles and get dismissed. I don’t think Black is as talented as Williams.
Things were coming out of practices that were similar to Williams when he was here i.e. breaking off long runs on how fast he was. I was looking forward to seeing him play based on those reports with the hopes of improving the team speed on the field. So Mensah as the featured back again. Agree on Williams.
 
I don’t think you have a grasp on what is a significant contributor. Their contributions are needed if only to convey to the younger players that we’re part of a culture and we’re sticking with it and we want everyone to see that. Instead just the opposite is happening. Younger players look and see well we have to start considering the transfer portal as a viable option.
They also are needed on the field, to run legit practices, to pass along the schemes, and most importantly to fill the roster with competitive personnel.
Donovan Williams is the epitome of a team player. What does his leaving say in regard to the program?
I agree that you need experienced leadership on the team even if the players aren’t seeing significant playing time. That said, it’s pretty clear that the culture has not been very good so i’m not sure you want to continue the existing culture. In addition, if only the kids who had used up their eligibility left, UConn’s recruiting class this year would have been 10 or less. I think most would agree that size of a recruiting class would be too small given UConn’s need to improve roster talent. Most school want to bring in 20 to 25 new players every year.

Thus, we are seeing roster turnover. I’m sure there are some kids that everyone hopes would stay, but for most it was time to move on. I do give credit to Edsall for giving kids 4 years as many other coaches would have pushed some of the kids out earlier.

One last point on Donovan Williams. I don’t know what is going on there, but he seems like a great team player. I did see that he just graduated from UConn, so maybe that comes into consideration. That said, he is still not in the transfer portal, so it’s unclear what is going on.
 
I thought Zavier Scott was still recovering from injuries. He's probably a better pass catcher than a RB.
He was on the "participation squad" all season at WR and was supposedly fully recovered. He doesn't have the body type for WR, it's more suited for RB. He looked good catching passes in 2018 out of the backfield but didn't have natural RB instincts on run plays. By the end of the season it was a give a way when he came in that other teams should expect a screen or pass to him in the flat.

I'm interested to see what Gillespie brings to the table. Edsall had him playing game 1 as a true freshman against UCF. Then torn ACL mid season. Sat out last season to focus on academics. Brings more speed than Mensah and could be a good change of pace back.
 
You miss the point amigo. He loses BECAUSE of the methodology. Those steps are NOT necessary. The point is to win the hearts and minds of the players that you inherit. You see it every year across the country when special coaches take over dysfunctional programs. When poor coaches step into situations like UConn 2017, you get a mess like this. This method failed him at Maryland ( my point) and it is repeating itself here. The losing is the byproduct. Im not saying we would be bowl bound, just that we wouldn't be in this abyss.

No, I get that point. He lost the fanbase at Maryland because he treated it as a tear down and rebuild when it didn't have to be. And he deserved to lose the fanbase at Maryland for that. And you are right that it may be the only way he knows.

Having said that, in his first regime here being concerned about building the foundation rather than just trying to squeeze an extra win out here or there with bandaids was absolutely the right approach. And as painful as the last three years have been, I'm not sure it's the wrong approach here. Was this UCF, where players just stopped playing for O'Leary and then were good again when Frost came in and worked with them? Maybe. But if that was the case I'd expect that those who have walked away would have had multiple times the success elsewhere than they have actually had.
 
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No, I get that point. He lost the fanbase at Maryland because he treated it as a tear down and rebuild when it didn't have to be. And he deserved to lose the fanbase at Maryland for that. And you are right that it may be the only way he knows.

Having said that, in his first regime here being concerned about building the foundation rather than just trying to squeeze an extra win out here or there with bandaids was absolutely the right approach. And as painful as the last three years have been, I'm not sure it's the wrong approach here. Was this UCF, where players just stopped playing for O'Leary and then were good again when Frost came in and worked with them? Maybe. But if that was the case I'd expect that those who have walked away would have had multiple times the success elsewhere than they have actually had.
Ok. I'll buy the foundation plan is possible answer. Just as likely he is a narcissist (Narcissism is the pursuit of gratification from vanity or egotistic admiration of one's idealised self image and attributes. This includes self-flattery, perfectionism, and arrogance.) who blames everyone else and uses intimidation to keep people away from the inner workings of his program so he can't be judged effectively. Track record like Belichick and guess maybe you live with it, track record like HCRE2.0, cut your loses. 3-9, 1-11, 2-10.
 
Ok. I'll buy the foundation plan is possible answer. Just as likely he is a narcissist (Narcissism is the pursuit of gratification from vanity or egotistic admiration of one's idealised self image and attributes. This includes self-flattery, perfectionism, and arrogance.) who blames everyone else and uses intimidation to keep people away from the inner workings of his program so he can't be judged effectively. Track record like Belichick and guess maybe you live with it, track record like HCRE2.0, cut your loses. 3-9, 1-11, 2-10.

Without making a medical judgment, does Edsall have a huge ego and demand things be done his way. I don't doubt that for a minute. Of course, that's not an unusual trait for football coaches (or successful business lawyers for that matter).

So since relitigating if he should have been hired three years ago is worthless, especially as given our financial limitations no one would have been happy with who we would have hired if it was someone else, it all still comes down to whether you think firing him is likely to improve our chances of, as a starting point, getting back to mediocrity. As I keep saying, I don't hear anyone saying "he deserves" to keep his job, because based on 6-30 he wouldn't but that doesn't get us anywhere. As I also keep saying, fine if you think that even with our limitations we could make a hire today that would help us get back to mediocrity more quickly. All I'm saying is it's not irrational for Benedict (who is the only one who matters) to think his best chance to be mediocre in two or three years is to stick with his plan.
 
this is more feasting for some


Tweets gone. What did it say and who was it from?

Also, when talented underclassmen leave, this is when the panic button should start to be hit. It's one thing when grad transfers occur, it's another when underclassmen who have talent leave. I had a feeling Black was one of the ones you were hinting at Exit4. I'm praying SK is not another.......
 
Tweets gone. What did it say and who was it from?

Also, when talented underclassmen leave, this is when the panic button should start to be hit. It's one thing when grad transfers occur, it's another when underclassmen who have talent leave. I had a feeling Black was one of the ones you were hinting at Exit4. I'm praying SK is not another.......

Yes about Black....I have heard other names...but they are rumors that I hope aren't true.

Tahj posted something like real leaders recognize their own faults or something like that. It was a not so thinly veiled shot at Edsall. A lot of portal kids and several still on the roster gave it a like including some guys that arent that active on twitter so....
 
Yes about Black....I have heard other names...but they are rumors that I hope aren't true.

Tahj posted something like real leaders recognize their own faults or something like that. It was a not so thinly veiled shot at Edsall. A lot of portal kids and several still on the roster gave it a like including some guys that arent that active on twitter so....


Unfortunately it seems like a astute abservation on Tahj’s part.
I think it is one of RE’s biggest shortcoming.
 
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