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[Exit 4]

no, I liked the redshirt rule, because I think it helped players prepare for what would hopefully be the next step for them Whether it be pro football, or just getting their degree. Increasing the number of scholarships given annually would just make it more likely to have to pull the scholarships from players that turned out to not be as good as was suspected when they were initially recruited. If you can offer 30 scholarships in a year, with a total limit of 85, it probably means several will be losing their scholarships. Thirty offers a year would be 120 scholarships given out (150 if you look at five years of eligibility). The 85 limit means that 35 of those scholarships must be rescinded, either by transfer or just dropped. That could be a disaster for some kid that had offers from other schools who chose to go to the school that ended up with the 20 (4x5) extra scholarships.

So pushing the cap from 25 to 30 magically tips the scales causing coaches to push players out? That suddenly we'll have uncontrolled roster churn carnage? The flaw with this thinking is that it ignores the other side of the coin. Every student athlete that exits is replaced by another student athlete who heretofore did not have said opportunity. It could be a kid moving up, sideways or down, point is they get a new seat and the seat doesn't go wasted. Coaches that are truly unjust will rightfully earn a bad rep very quickly. In the meantime, programs with empty seats just might be able to fill those seats...which again is being ignored as an actual reality and not a hypothetical.

 

[uconnbill]

So why not bring a player in as a PWO and then make him a scholarship player once the season starts? Isn't that a way to get around the 25 scholarships in a year given out by any school. The blue shirt is something schools will start using to help with this kind of issue

 

[BNich]

So why not bring a player in as a PWO and then make him a scholarship player once the season starts? Isn't that a way to get around the 25 scholarships in a year given out by any school. The blue shirt is something schools will start using to help with this kind of issue

You need kids to agree to that to get it to work. Who's to say they haven't extended these offers to kids? Were about a week out from signing day. Some kids are probably still holding out hope for an offer.

 

[Exit 4]

So why not bring a player in as a PWO and then make him a scholarship player once the season starts? Isn't that a way to get around the 25 scholarships in a year given out by any school. The blue shirt is something schools will start using to help with this kind of issue

Yes, but the scholarship counts towards the following year head count and the kid doesnt get to take an OV.

 

[Irishfan]

So pushing the cap from 25 to 30 magically tips the scales causing coaches to push players out? That suddenly we'll have uncontrolled roster churn carnage? The flaw with this thinking is that it ignores the other side of the coin. Every student athlete that exits is replaced by another student athlete who heretofore did not have said opportunity. It could be a kid moving up, sideways or down, point is they get a new seat and the seat doesn't go wasted. Coaches that are truly unjust will rightfully earn a bad rep very quickly. In the meantime, programs with empty seats just might be able to fill those seats...which again is being ignored as an actual reality and not a hypothetical.

no, raising the number of signees just potentially forces the school to remove some students that are currently on scholarship, so they can stay under the 85 limit. I don’t know UConn’s history on this but I know most schools have had the policy where they give scholarships on a yearly basis. If you’re not playing at the level that they anticipated, they will pull the scholarship and the player is left with the choice of paying his expenses, or trying to find another school that will give him a scholarship that he can transfer to. And at that point they will probably have to sit out a year if they don’t qualify as a grad transfer.

 

[UConnJim]

Yes, we can agree to disagree. No idea what the recruiting facts of top 25 programs has to do with this discussion. What's relevant is that the current structure creates an environment where scholarships go unused which is a shame. Kids are left behind, opportunities squandered. This year UConn will have six slots go unused. Six kids that could be getting a free education.

The system needs a little re-balancing.

As I mentioned previously, there is a trend this year (which did not happen much last year) for kids to enter the portal and return to their school. Why? They might have found out there was tepid demand for their services or both the player and the coaches realized that there was space on the roster that would go unused if the player didn't come back.

Also, we are really talking about grad transfers which might 50% of the kids in the portal. Undergrad transfers, with the exception of the very top players, have always faced an uphill climb getting an FBS scholarship as schools don't want to have to sit a player on scholarship for a year. That is why undergrad transfers at FBS schools typically wind up at FCS or below schools as they can play immediately.

 

[Exit 4]

As I mentioned previously, there is a trend this year (which did not happen much last year) for kids to enter the portal and return to their school. Why? They might have found out there was tepid demand for their services or both the player and the coaches realized that there was space on the roster that would go unused if the player didn't come back.

Also, we are really talking about grad transfers which might 50% of the kids in the portal. Undergrad transfers, with the exception of the very top players, have always faced an uphill climb getting an FBS scholarship as schools don't want to have to sit a player on scholarship for a year. That is why undergrad transfers at FBS schools typically wind up at FCS or below schools as they can play immediately.

So what if kids are checking into the portal and back out? What does that do to support the idea that 25 rather than 30 is the best limit for recruiting classes?

All it tells me is that kids can't find homes thanks in part to this rule and so they have to try to go back to the place that they might not want to be anymore. Wow, that's a great system. Everyone worries about coaches pushing players out, but they never give any consideration to players becoming trapped and why are some trapped? - because the 25 man cap doesn't give UConn (or other schools) the room to give them a new home.

A new dividing line at 30 won't fix every scenario, but I think it gives the plumbing better balance. Time to widen the pipes.

 

[UConnJim]

So what if kids are checking into the portal and back out? What does that do to support the idea that 25 rather than 30 is the best limit for recruiting classes?

All it tells me is that kids can't find homes thanks in part to this rule and so they have to try to go back to the place that they might not want to be anymore. Wow, that's a great system. Everyone worries about coaches pushing players out, but they never give any consideration to players becoming trapped and why are some trapped? - because the 25 man cap doesn't give UConn (or other schools) the room to give them a new home.

A new dividing line at 30 won't fix every scenario, but I think it gives the plumbing better balance. Time to widen the pipes.

If you make the limit 30, many schools will sign 30 almost every year and that means kids will be pushed out. (It still happens today, but to fewer kids.) Go back and look at what used to happen before the 25 limit was introduced. Kids got pushed out all the time, sometimes just weeks before practice began. With 30, that means you can bring in 120 over 4 years and 150 over 5 years with a total scholarship limit of 85. Makes no sense.

 

[huskymedic]

If you make the limit 30, many schools will sign 30 almost every year and that means kids will be pushed out. (It still happens today, but to fewer kids.) Go back and look at what used to happen before the 25 limit was introduced. Kids got pushed out all the time, sometimes just weeks before practice began. With 30, that means you can bring in 120 over 4 years and 150 over 5 years with a total scholarship limit of 85. Makes no sense.

To be clear...

 

[Exit 4]

If you make the limit 30, many schools will sign 30 almost every year and that means kids will be pushed out. (It still happens today, but to fewer kids.) Go back and look at what used to happen before the 25 limit was introduced. Kids got pushed out all the time, sometimes just weeks before practice began. With 30, that means you can bring in 120 over 4 years and 150 over 5 years with a total scholarship limit of 85. Makes no sense.

Makes no sense to keep kids trapped. Kids want to move around and this rule keeps them trapped. Yay for entrapment. Time to rebalance. Kids on the three and four deep as juniors want to move on but they can't...no seats/system is too narrow. #widenTHEpipes

Since neither of us are making new points and havent been in months I will move on. You keep suppressing the market though, good idea!

 

[uconnbill]

I know UConn has walk on's that get scholarship each and every year especially with being under the limit of 85. So they can add others at the beginning of camp at least for a year. Anything to help UConn for the next season I am all for

 

[Watchdog]

Daily Campus: UConn football among highest number of player transfers across collegiate programs

Followed this link to another and found this post from "exjock" who seems to have some anger issues. His misspelling of "Edsel's" name might indicate he also hates Fords.

"Edsel is one of coaching’s biggest scumbags. He is a tyrant to his players using long ago dismissed practices while threatening to pull scholarships for those out of favor. He is a disgrace to the coaching ranks.
There’s a reason that UConn has been reduced to the very worst program in FBS, and that is Randy Edsel. Yet the elite administrators of UConn facilitate this idiot who used them in his first stint while dragging them into oblivion in his second. (One wonders what does Edsel have on them? Naked pictures with Jeffery Epstein?)
The New England area deserves better for their football players, and college football doesn’t need this evil inept black mark dwelling any longer in the sport. SOMEONE STEP UP AND FIRE THIS DISGUSTING LEECH!!!"

 

[Husky68]

Followed this link to another and found this post from "exjock" who seems to have some anger issues. His misspelling of "Edsel's" name might indicate he also hates Fords.

"Edsel is one of coaching’s biggest scumbags. He is a tyrant to his players using long ago dismissed practices while threatening to pull scholarships for those out of favor. He is a disgrace to the coaching ranks.
There’s a reason that UConn has been reduced to the very worst program in FBS, and that is Randy Edsel. Yet the elite administrators of UConn facilitate this idiot who used them in his first stint while dragging them into oblivion in his second. (One wonders what does Edsel have on them? Naked pictures with Jeffery Epstein?)
The New England area deserves better for their football players, and college football doesn’t need this evil inept black mark dwelling any longer in the sport. SOMEONE STEP UP AND FIRE THIS DISGUSTING LEECH!!!"

HCRE2.0 isn't good (or is it bad) enough to be THE reason for where UConn football is. Got to give some serious credit to Trustees, Suzy, and anyone who would hire PP, Diaco and HCRE2.0.

 

[Rosebud70]

When does Edsall run everyone out of storr?

 

[ktuck911]

I luv it when folks with very tiny kahunas like to post at the most negative moments only. I mean it's like they enjoy chiming in when your down and out.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[Stainmaster]

When does Edsall run everyone out of storr?

Sorry you weren’t able to convince your boy Krajewski to leave. You must be so broken up that he’s still on the team.

 

[huskymedic]

UConn NCAA Transfer Portal Commits/Transfers to date:

1. Jeff Woods - Norfolk State (FCS)
2. OL Robert Holmes -Austin Peay (FCS)
3. OL Stanley Hubbard - James Madison (FCS)
4. RB Dante Black - Richmond (FCS)
5. Michael Beaudry - Idaho (FCS)

 

[Banta55]

UConn NCAA Transfer Portal Commits/Transfers to date:

1. Jeff Woods - Norfolk State (FCS)
2. OL Robert Holmes -Austin Peay (FCS)
3. OL Stanley Hubbard - James Madison (FCS)
4. RB Dante Black - Richmond (FCS)
5. Michael Beaudry - Idaho (FCS)

If this list doesn't make people realize the talent level that was here previously nothing will...I was told by a previous coach their was a lot of D2 kids, never mind FCS..

 

[ktuck911]

If this list doesn't make people realize the talent level that was here previously nothing will...I was told by a previous coach their was a lot of D2 kids, never mind FCS..

Good point, but 3/5 of this particular list could've done some things at the FBS level. Other guys that have yet to let the cat out of the bag as to where their landing spot is are the guys your source might be referring to moreso.

 

[LBird33]

This has all been interesting talk and a lot of thoughts on the talent issues appeared to be confirmed. I am cautiously optimistic that this years class is a mine in the right direction. On to 2020 !

 

[UConnJim]

If this list doesn't make people realize the talent level that was here previously nothing will...I was told by a previous coach their was a lot of D2 kids, never mind FCS..

For kids that aren't immediately eligible at the FBS level (grad transfer), with few rare exceptions of kids with tremendous talent, they have to transfer to FCS schools. FBS schools don't want to use a scholarship on a kid that has to sit out a year.

 

[noeynox]

If this list doesn't make people realize the talent level that was here previously nothing will...I was told by a previous coach their was a lot of D2 kids, never mind FCS..

I won't count Woods because it was off field stuff here. That leaves 4 guys. All brought in by Edsall. So...

The only counter argument is Diaco kids have yet to land anywhere.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Beaudry looks like he's 40....which he may be after all these transfers.

 

[Hoophound]

I hope Beaudry starts slinging the ball all over the field in Idaho. It makes the discussion here way more interesting.