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I posted about Ollie being Outcoached and everyone went crazy on here. Good luck to you...

As a rookie there will be many games where Ollie is out-coached this season, less next year and the year after and the year after, etc... Did you expect something else? Its up to the players to play hard, play good defense disguising Ollie's newness. He's a rookie for goodness sakes, replacing a legend.

I'll take a Coach that's 10 toes in, walking stairs, not riding escalators all day. If you don't see the potential in our Couch then go to another team and cheer their coach. Come back in 5 years and see how talented he has become. I'm 10 toes in, all day, every day.
 
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This team has an obvious weakness in the front court but we have 14 wins. This team does not suck.
An obvious weakness in the front court is saying it nicely but whatever this team lacks in talent at the 4/5 it more than makes up for it with heart, effort, and chemistry. That is all Ollie. I will say it again, in a lost season, this team's effort and how they have conducted themselves throughout has not only be a surprise but an absolute joy to watch. Kudos to the players and the staff for representing what UCONN hoops is about, regardless of any postseason ban or weak frontcourt!
 

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what a classic thread, blowhard central
 
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We're 14-5 (4-3 Big East) and on our way to improve on both win totals this year. All in a season where arguably 4 of our top 5 best players left the program, and we aren't eligible for the postseason. I give KO and the kids 5 stars thus far. This is one of my favorite UConn teams ever
 
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Where's he going? To play in League Siberia, because he won't sniff the NBA, atleast not after this season. If anything the kid needs another year, he's not even close to being ready to make that jump to the big show.

There are a lot of PG's in the NBA who were not as good in college as Bazz is right now. Whether they improve or not is up to them. That being said, Bazz is not really at the same level AJ Price was at in 2009, and AJ has not secured a starting spot in the NBA yet.
 

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There are a lot of PG's in the NBA who were not as good in college as Bazz is right now. Whether they improve or not is up to them. That being said, Bazz is not really at the same level AJ Price was at in 2009, and AJ has not secured a starting spot in the NBA yet.

You know, I sit here and wonder if Bazz has the speed or quickness to make it in the NBA, then I think of guys like Stockton and Nash and realize that he's got more physical talent than either one of those guys. You can see him getting smarter and becoming a better leader game by game. I'd love to see him stay and think that another year under KO will help him more than being a backup in the NBA or learning zilch in the D league. But if he decides to go, I wish him well and believe that he's got a future in the league as long as he's in the right situation.
 

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I see Shabazz having a solid NBA career. With the spacing and offensive talent in the league, he's going to rack up the assists, and he can really shoot it when opposing teams give him room.
 

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There are a lot of PG's in the NBA who were not as good in college as Bazz is right now. Whether they improve or not is up to them. That being said, Bazz is not really at the same level AJ Price was at in 2009, and AJ has not secured a starting spot in the NBA yet.
Totally agree,

I'm not trying to bash Bazz, as he's my favorite player on this team currently, but really trying to see the truth without wearing my "husky goggles"
Not sure of actual stats, but just going off what I see having watched atleast 90% of uconn games since 95' I'd put:
Kemba, AJ Price, Khalid El Amin, & Marcus Williams ahead of Bazz as "potential" for succeeding in the NBA, not counting actual stats, bc it's unfair to do so depending on different rosters. However, I truly believe an extra year under Ollie will help him tremendously.... Just don't believe he's ready right now....plus he's only 6' on a good day.
 
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I agree we sucked. Yep, we sucked the win right out those PC players. Don't know what to think about these guys ecept there is no quit in them ( Thanks KO ). Up by double digits in the first half and then lose the lead. Lose Boat for a while, but back he came. Yep, we can't rebound, but we sure can dive on the floor. Shortcomings we have, but bigger that that we have HEART. Some of the pieces need to get better, but KO is the captain of this ship and they will be heard from in 2013-2014 and beyond.
 

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This thread sucks a lot more than this team does.
Just the op and Geronamo! Every one else made this thread a thing of beauty.
 
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Totally agree,

I'm not trying to bash Bazz, as he's my favorite player on this team currently, but really trying to see the truth without wearing my "husky goggles"
Not sure of actual stats, but just going off what I see having watched atleast 90% of uconn games since 95' I'd put:
Kemba, AJ Price, Khalid El Amin, & Marcus Williams ahead of Bazz as "potential" for succeeding in the NBA, not counting actual stats, bc it's unfair to do so depending on different rosters. However, I truly believe an extra year under Ollie will help him tremendously.... Just don't believe he's ready right now....plus he's only 6' on a good day.

I'd put him after Price, and ahead of Khalid and Marcus. Napier is quicker, KEA was headier, Marcus a better passer. But Neither KEA or Marcus were faster, and mostly I think their pace is what kept them out of the NBA though neither KEA or Marcus could shoot like Napier either. In short, I think Napier could make it, especially in an era when the truly gifted guards leave so early they don't really seem to know the game before leaving (Wall, Irving, Knight, etc.). This is why I think Napier could stick if he continues to improve and work hard in the NBA.
 
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Final four next year my ass. They'll be lucky to make the tournament

Can't rebound
Can't attack a zone (what else is new)
Neil's sucks (what happened)
Wolff can't stay out of foul trouble.
Boat and Bazz can't stay healthy
Can't rebound
Can't rebound...
Ollie resembles this kid... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=good job good effort&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CEMQtwIwBA&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7io6gs5A7U&ei=bBYLUYfUFfCu0AHs6oHwDA&usg=AFQjCNHAjDMjuS5MfaxXKVtg0JpuojZoag&bvm=bv.41867550,d.dmQ
Should we take a moment to remember the season prior to our third NC?
 
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Should we take a moment to remember the season prior to our third NC?


I heard a discussion on CBS Sports' weekly(sometimes twice a week) college hoops podcast(available on iTunes) from much earlier in the season. The two guys involved were Matt Norlander(who is the week to week host) and Doug Gottlieb(formerly of ESPN). Now Gottlieb takes a lot of flack here; but I happen to be a fan. No, he's not always on the money but he is experienced(PG at ND and Oklahoma State) and, imo , extremely knowledgeable about the game both in terms of the technical and tactical aspects but the history and the fine points re: the skill set and potential of what seems like every college player on the planet.His experience and the fact that he is very thorough in his day to day prep, makes him,again imo, very enjoyable and educational for me to listen to.
At any rate the thrust of the discussion was the impact of current NCAA transfer related regulations on program stability and player development. Apparently there were 450 transfers last year alone. As part of the discussion, Gottlieb was outlining what happens within a typical program that "may" lead to any player exploring the possibility of transfer. However, and he would like to see players stay in school as long as possible, he, unintentionally, provided some insight re; player development that I think is very useful in looking at the current state of our team. A lot of the comments critical of the team spring from our historical success and, as the result, our collective lack of patience( to one degree or another). He was saying that during the first year,for a typical(not phenom) D1 scholarship player, what is going on from a coaching standpoint is more circumstantial evaluation rather that the coaching of skills and tactics. It is not to say that that doesn't happen but the emphasis is not there. Most first year players don't even get spoken to by upperclassmen on the team(I'm sure there are multiple variations of this).
The second year the coaching gets dramatically amped up(based on the evaluations of the prior year); and this is the time when players are likely to react positively or negatively to attempts to change the way they play(from shooting technique to defensive positioning etc.,etc.,etc.). This is also the time where any playing time that has been achieved is most likely, again, positively or negatively, to be be increased/reduced. It is the time when new first years can be perceived as a threat. And, depending how a player reacts to becoming more of a focus by the staff, this is the time when a player(especially mid-season and beyond) either "buys in" or starts looking around at other options. His opinion was that, for both the player and the program, this is the time when the really serious growth of the player will start or the player will pull away(up to and including transfer). His opinion was that changes in regulations making transfers tougher(obviously other changes like the NBA making players stay longer also help) would be a great help in the player transitioning to the 3rd and 4th years where the serious skill and tactical growth are more clearly evident.
So I'm not posting here in terms of commenting one way or the other about transfers but to help us all to change the way we look at, specifically, this team; and I think both Bazz' and Boat's comments post-game about the composure of this year's team, despite the talent gap, and last year's are very telling in that regard(both with regard to the game last night and the season with no post season that they are dealing with). They have "bought in" so to speak, and that, along with the wonderful ability and leadership of Kevin Ollie, is laying the foundation for another special chapter in the history of Husky basketball. A bit long-winded but I hope it makes at least a little sense. It certainly is helping to get me off the ledge from game to game. At least if I get nervous now it will be because of the circumstances of the game and not because I'm thinking that "this team sucks" which is totally unfair to this wonderful "team". :)

GO HUSKIES!!! BEAT THE BULLS!!!
 
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I heard a discussion on CBS Sports' weekly(sometimes twice a week) college hoops podcast(available on iTunes) from much earlier in the season. The two guys involved were Matt Norlander(who is the week to week host) and Doug Gottlieb(formerly of ESPN). Now Gottlieb takes a lot of flack here; but I happen to be a fan. No, he's not always on the money but he is experienced(PG at ND and Oklahoma State) and, imo , extremely knowledgeable about the game both in terms of the technical and tactical aspects but the history and the fine points re: the skill set and potential of what seems like every college player on the planet.His experience and the fact that he is very thorough in his day to day prep, makes him,again imo, very enjoyable and educational for me to listen to.
At any rate the thrust of the discussion was the impact of current NCAA transfer related regulations on program stability and player development. Apparently there were 450 transfers last year alone. As part of the discussion, Gottlieb was outlining what happens within a typical program that "may" lead to any player exploring the possibility of transfer. However, and he would like to see players stay in school as long as possible, he, unintentionally, provided some insight re; player development that I think is very useful in looking at the current state of our team. A lot of the comments critical of the team spring from our historical success and, as the result, our collective lack of patience( to one degree or another). He was saying that during the first year,for a typical(not phenom) D1 scholarship player, what is going on from a coaching standpoint is more circumstantial evaluation rather that the coaching of skills and tactics. It is not to say that that doesn't happen but the emphasis is not there. Most first year players don't even get spoken to by upperclassmen on the team(I'm sure there are multiple variations of this).
The second year the coaching gets dramatically amped up(based on the evaluations of the prior year); and this is the time when players are likely to react positively or negatively to attempts to change the way they play(from shooting technique to defensive positioning etc.,etc.,etc.). This is also the time where any playing time that has been achieved is most likely, again, positively or negatively, to be be increased/reduced. It is the time when new first years can be perceived as a threat. And, depending how a player reacts to becoming more of a focus by the staff, this is the time when a player(especially mid-season and beyond) either "buys in" or starts looking around at other options. His opinion was that, for both the player and the program, this is the time when the really serious growth of the player will start or the player will pull away(up to and including transfer). His opinion was that changes in regulations making transfers tougher(obviously other changes like the NBA making players stay longer also help) would be a great help in the player transitioning to the 3rd and 4th years where the serious skill and tactical growth are more clearly evident.
So I'm not posting here in terms of commenting one way or the other about transfers but to help us all to change the way we look at, specifically, this team; and I think both Bazz' and Boat's comments post-game about the composure of this year's team, despite the talent gap, and last year's are very telling in that regard(both with regard to the game last night and the season with no post season that they are dealing with). They have "bought in" so to speak, and that, along with the wonderful ability and leadership of Kevin Ollie, is laying the foundation for another special chapter in the history of Husky basketball. A bit long-winded but I hope it makes at least a little sense. It certainly is helping to get me off the ledge from game to game. At least if I get nervous now it will be because of the circumstances of the game and not because I'm thinking that "this team sucks" which is totally unfair to this wonderful "team". :)

GO HUSKIES!!! BEAT THE BULLS!!!
Cliffs: Kevin Ollie is developing the team for next year.
 

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So do the Mets, fyi

I'll be rooting for UConn and the Mets until I'm dead and maybe for a little while after. If UConn takes an NC or the Mets take the series in 2065, you'll know who started the riot in the cemetery.
 
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