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And a natural consequence of building a stadium in location more convenient for alumni than for current students.

(No problem with your seeing this differently though.)

Sorry, but you're still not moving me. You think the location is more convenient for me in Fairfield than a student in Storrs?

We all get that more students would come if it were on campus. That doesn't change the fact that there were probably 7000 students there to see us beat Holy Cross, and almost none on Sunday.
 
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Quibble with the "Talent" wing of the-Boneyard.

Dion Lewis is from the Albany, NY inner city. Albany Academy grad then Blair. The notion that he was anywhere NOT a high 3 or 4 star ... but then got a solid low 2 cross your brain? Mensah is a copy ... and one we can find in the New England/New York prep schools or near our market.

The more I think about the "steal" a OL Power 5 guy from Georgia or Ohio notion, the more I think this is a pyrrhic notion. The solid guys are near to our market. The Steinberg data base and the Coach with a solid evaluation eye is in the Burton. The way back to competitiveness is here. How do we get the Fanbase to return.
 

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Sorry, but you're still not moving me. You think the location is more convenient for me in Fairfield than a student in Storrs?

We all get that more students would come if it were on campus. That doesn't change the fact that there were probably 7000 students there to see us beat Holy Cross, and almost none on Sunday.
Not particularly trying to Biz. If you don't see on your own that putting the stadium 30 miles away from campus is going negatively impact student attendance, I doubt that there is much that I can say that will change your mind.

The problem with putting your stadium in a location that is more convenient for alumni, but decided inconvenient for students, is that students are the future and getting them into the fold while they are in school is critical to the long term success of the program.

Your argument (paraphrased) that if students don't attend games thirty minutes from campus and they wouldn't attend games on campus is less than compelling.
 
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The stadium location is what it is. The primary driver in student attendance is team competitiveness. I have a son in college today. I know in that generation they avoid anything associated with losing. If you don't have a winning team, it's like you have leprosy. They don't believe in "supporting your team - win or lose" like previous generations.

That's the state of our current pop culture.
 
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The offense may still be an issue. 596 yards against ECU sounds great, but that was the ECU defense's best performance of the year. The only team that gained less than 614 yards against them this year.
Yup. Agree.
 
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Coaching? We did return enough competent players that the defense should not be worst in the country bad. It just shouldn't. It's hard to believe that there isn't some formation and scheme to get more out of these guys, and I am surprised that, with a defensive roster loaded with seniors, more effort didn't go into building a scheme around the players -- at least for this one year -- than forcing the players into a scheme. Hopefully our scheme works and the players figure out their responsibilities better, but we're 3 games and 4 weeks into the season and my hopes are dimming. ... I know that whomever coaches our defense there is not nearly enough team speed, and I know that given time Edsall can bring a defense to UConn, because he consistently did that before. Can he do it with this defensive staff? Time will tell. Can he keep Lashlee long enough to do it? That would be the more rational fear, because the resume that Lashlee will now have after accomplishing what he is accomplishing here will cause him to be offered higher profile and higher money coordinator positions this off season.

So that's it. The thought of getting to 6 wins is largely out of my head by now -- I just don't see the defense to do that. But hopefully we have a year where we see improvement, we start identifying the defensive replacements for the 7 seniors who started on the defensive side of the ball on Sunday and we score enough points to win a few more games and play some competitive games. I know HCRE can rebuild this defense given time. But the questions are can he do it with this defensive coordinator, and can he keep Lashlee long enough to be here when it happens?
These are the issues nicely distilled. Thanks, agree with almost all of this, but not quite ready to canonize Lashlee just yet. Let's see how the O does against some tougher D's.
 
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not quite ready to canonize Lashlee just yet. Let's see how the O does against some tougher D's.
Totally agree. The offense is exponentially better than last year but far from a "top 25 offense" - statistics aside...

That being said, the improvement shows what good coaching does. So, what does that tell us about the defense? If Lashlee can improve with Diaco's recruits and some new guys, why has the defense regressed so badly? The defense was "not bad" last year all things considered. But this year's defense, to date, is quite possibly the worst defense I have ever seen. We can make excuses after excuses but a good coordinator makes do with the hand he is dealt. Rebuilding is fine, but there needs to be signs of improvement. I think Crocker has a few more games to show improvement else, I would challenge his ability to coach at this level.
 
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I agree that Tarbutt’s miss was entirely mental. It was his first real pressure kick and he didn’t capitalize. It floated in the air for what felt like forever making it worse to watch.
Welcome back biz. I watched the kick from the end zone and it was awful. It reminded me of a fat golf shot. I can't abide kickers who miss chip shots and he has now missed a pat and a critical field goal. If I were the coach (yes its a freightening thought) I'd be looking hard at Rishell unless we are going for a real long one. If you are a D1 kicker you need to be automatic inside 45 and on pats.

I am amazed at the oline performance to date. I've written to the Pope to see if we can get fast track consideration for Grimes to sainthood. Just shows what competent coaching can do I guess. And can I say a positive word about the quarterback. It is true he can't throw the long ball but man he works pretty well in this offense. He has completed passes to a flock of guys. The 3rd down pass to McLean was all you could ask of a quarterback. He completed passes to 7 different guys after completing them to 8 at Virginia and 5 in limited time vs Holy Cross. I really think he is much under appreciated.
 
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Sorry, but we fully and completely disagree. I was expecting, and was ready for, as disappointing a turnout for students as for everyone else. But there were not 1000 students there for the start of the game. That there aren't more students than that to whom it's important to be at a football game -- as opposed to a nice social activity if it fits into the schedule -- is both shocking and horrifying.

I totally agree BL. I think student attendance at football games should be mandatory. Especially Sunday games!
 
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Quibble with the "Talent" wing of the-Boneyard.

What the heol is a pyrrhic notion?


Dion Lewis is from the Albany, NY inner city. Albany Academy grad then Blair. The notion that he was anywhere NOT a high 3 or 4 star ... but then got a solid low 2 cross your brain? Mensah is a copy ... and one we can find in the New England/New York prep schools or near our market.

The more I think about the "steal" a OL Power 5 guy from Georgia or Ohio notion, the more I think this is a pyrrhic notion. The solid guys are near to our market. The Steinberg data base and the Coach with a solid evaluation eye is in the Burton. The way back to competitiveness is here. How do we get the Fanbase to return.
 

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A noon Sunday game is going to be tough for college kids for the obvious reasons
I'm a little slow. What's the obvious reason? They drink as much if not more on Friday and they've had good attendance for other noon games on Saturdays. Is it the NFL games being on?
 

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I'm a little slow. What's the obvious reason? They drink as much if not more on Friday and they've had good attendance for other noon games on Saturdays. Is it the NFL games being on?
Why? Because they have classes the next day, of course. They are students first. And church. Tough to make make a noon game after noon services.

Actually, you make a fair point. I was referring to Saturday partying.
 

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There are times when I look into the abyss and wonder why UCONN has a football team. I love it, look forward to the games all year, and have a ton a great memories from games. But, I am a middle aged Massachusetts resident with 3 kids, 2 minivans, and a mortgage. Not the target demographic. If the students don't care, why are we trying so hard?
 
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What's important is that we no longer have an offense that will go 10 quarters without scoring a touchdown... :confused:
Don't be too quick to jump to that conclusion. I tend to agree but the woof gods (who enforce humility) have yet to have their say.
 
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Do you realize how irrelevant that is? ND doesn't lose its coordinators left and right to programs that offer them more prestige and money to go elsewhere as a coordinator. It's more likely to lose them to someone who eventually gets a head coach job, like Diaco. UConn does not pay its coordinators anywhere near what they would get at a bigger P6 school, and can lose them to lateral moves at bigger schools.

But thank you for coming onto a UConn thread and making totally irrelevant and dumb posts about Notre Dame. I know I appreciate it.

"a bigger P6 school"

Like what you did there and glad to see someone is following up on Aresco's memo.
 

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Don't be too quick to jump to that conclusion. I tend to agree but the woof gods (who enforce humility) have yet to have their say.

Of course you never know. You also never know if you might score 60. All you can do is look at what they've done and how they've improved.

By the way, we don't need further humility...
 
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The stadium location is what it is. The primary driver in student attendance is team competitiveness. I have a son in college today. I know in that generation they avoid anything associated with losing. If you don't have a winning team, it's like you have leprosy. They don't believe in "supporting your team - win or lose" like previous generations.

That's the state of our current pop culture.
I see that as a high school teacher. Kids don't go unless you are winning.
 
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Not particularly trying to Biz. If you don't see on your own that putting the stadium 30 miles away from campus is going negatively impact student attendance, I doubt that there is much that I can say that will change your mind.

The problem with putting your stadium in a location that is more convenient for alumni, but decided inconvenient for students, is that students are the future and getting them into the fold while they are in school is critical to the long term success of the program.

Your argument (paraphrased) that if students don't attend games thirty minutes from campus and they wouldn't attend games on campus is less than compelling.

The students who aren't willing to travel 30 minutes, to the games, especially when they now get free busses to get there....they aren't future season ticket holders
 

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The students who aren't willing to travel 30 minutes, to the games, especially when they now get free busses to get there....they aren't future season ticket holders
That's a big difference than rolling out of bed and walking over to the game.
 
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That's a big difference than rolling out of bed and walking over to the game.

Not denying more would go, but those that would only go in that situation aren't the ones who graduate and then buy season tickets year after year. So don't agree that they need to be catered to more than they already are
 

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I see that as a high school teacher. Kids don't go unless you are winning.
It's social death for them to be associated with a loser.

I think that's pathetic. I think you should support your family, school, etc. .... win or lose. That's a sign of strength, not weakness. But that's not how America is today.
 
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Well, that was harsh. That was a must win game played in a sauna in front of friends and family where we dug a deep and early hole, spent the entire game trying to climb out of it, and did -- but only to see a tieing chip shot field goal attempt go badly awry. I am fairly certain that is the first time in the history of the Rent that we've walked out losers because we missed a FG attempt. We've walked away winners under those circumstances -- Duke and UVA come to mind. We've lost on missed FGs on the road. Rutgers in '08 and maybe you put Mizzou on that list, even though we never kicked the ball. But at home, the closest we came was Akron in '04 where Nuzzi missed, giving the ball back to Charley Frye, and miraculously Akron threw a bunch of incomplete passes, gave us the ball back with clock and timeouts, Dan O drove us back into FG range and this time Nuzzi came through. It is an awfully deflating way to lose a home game. The lack of a crowd -- not at the end of the year but for a game where we were 1-1 -- was astounding, but I won't read much into it given that it was on a Sunday with little warning. Hopefully not a portent of things to come. Having said that, however, the next time a student asks for more basketball games in Storrs, or criticizes how grown ups watch a game, he can screw himself. The UConn student body should be embarrassed -- no, ashamed -- for their showing on Sunday. And while it was too hot to be playing or even watching football, unlike the Stony Brook game what we saw on Sunday was at least a competitive, and if you like offense, entertaining football game. I felt like I was trapped in a Touchdown Husky movie. I am supposed to be happy that we can now generate over 500 yards of total offense every game, but we couldn't stop a pickup Pop Warner team. You know the old gypsy curse -- may you one day get exactly what you wish for? Congratulations TDH. I hope you are happy, because that would make one of us.

Turning to the offense, Lashlee should be canonized NOW, and the offensive positional coaches should be on the list to be considered in the future. Our QB is who he is -- a solid player, but without either breakaway speed or the ability to throw deep with accuracy -- but damn, we can move the ball. I can't explain why Arkeel can't get holes he can find in the running game, but we have 3 3/4 more years of Mensah and Hopkins? Wow. Mensah especially looks like he's going to be a great weapon, along the lines of that short but not small Pitt back from back in '09 from Blair Academy whose name escapes me. Newsome, even if he's now our 3rd string TB, was just immense making plays in space. The long TD catch and run -- escaping traffic in that crowd on the sideline -- was just an unbelievable play. We unexpectedly lose our top WR at the start of the game and everyone else on offense -- the OL, the WRs (including a walk on getting his first real action), BS and Arkeel all step up. The OL and Grimes have not gotten enough credit here. Yes, the ECU defense is horrible, but we are getting better pass protection, we are running effectively whomever is in at TB and we are doing this while we are rebuilding the OL with youngsters on the fly. Von Demark's effort on the Newsome long TD catch was an effort we haven't seen from a UConn OT since Ryan Krug in the opener at the Rent against Indiana. So whatever happens this year, you have to love what we're seeing on offense with youngsters playing everywhere but QB.

The defense, however, is another story. As I have said in another thread, this is mostly about talent, but I don't think it's all about talent. Why are Foley and Joseph and the rest of our interior D solid against straight ahead running plays but much less effective against misdirection? Why did we keep allowing them to have a 3 on 2 advantage on swing passes to the strong side without figuring out how we maintained parity on that side of the field? How can you constantly leave the intermediate middle open on third downs? I don't blame Crocker for the fact that we are as bad a defense as I think I've ever seen -- he doesn't get beaten by every move of a WR or miss tackles constantly or not have the speed to effectively rush the passer -- but I'm watching to see if this is really the guy to get us back to where we want to be. On the other hand, while ECU not scoring for the last 25 minutes of the game may have had more to do with them slowing down and focusing on clock than our play, I will note that a lot of changes were made throughout the game defensively that at least showed you that someone was trying. We started seeing a lot more of Connor Freeborn at DE. Bell got benched for Herring-Wilson, and Coyle got benched for Fortt. And, on passing downs, we did what we should have been doing from day one, which is moving Ormsby to DT and flanking him with Luke and Stapleton, and that did generate somewhat more pressure. Do all these changes stick? Do they make us less pitiful? I don't know. We will see. But at least the coaches were trying, even if at times it didn't look like the players were. (As an aside, did TDH when we started the second half with the two teams combining for four TD drives of 75 yards in 6 minutes?)

Which takes us to special teams. It is great seeing us gain more yards on returns than we give up again, like the old days. Unfortunately, our Punter at this stage in his career isn't showing anything, and Tarbutt, while he has been awesome on kickoffs all year, choked in the clutch. And that was a choke, not a miss. He didn't take a full swing at the ball -- you could tell the moment the ball left his foot that he had babied the kick and just tried to steer it. I couldn't see direction from my seat, but you could tell that he did what I do when I block the golf ball with my driver, and you knew there was trouble. Hopefully, the young man shakes it off. He has a powerful leg. Does he have the mental state? Time will tell. Finally, when Jordan Swann, who had been a weapon, tried taking a KR five yards deep in the end zone out, we didn't see him again. Unless someone heard of an injury, I will assume this is Edsall being Edsall -- if you ignore the coaches instructions, he will find someone who won't. And we're lucky that Skanes is our second option, because he looked fine back there.

Coaching? We did return enough competent players that the defense should not be worst in the country bad. It just shouldn't. It's hard to believe that there isn't some formation and scheme to get more out of these guys, and I am surprised that, with a defensive roster loaded with seniors, more effort didn't go into building a scheme around the players -- at least for this one year -- than forcing the players into a scheme. Hopefully our scheme works and the players figure out their responsibilities better, but we're 3 games and 4 weeks into the season and my hopes are dimming. The offense, however, is light years better than any rational person could have hoped for given how we finished last year, and it's better while we're pushing young players forward in front of more experienced ones. I know that whomever coaches our defense there is not nearly enough team speed, and I know that given time Edsall can bring a defense to UConn, because he consistently did that before. Can he do it with this defensive staff? Time will tell. Can he keep Lashlee long enough to do it? That would be the more rational fear, because the resume that Lashlee will now have after accomplishing what he is accomplishing here will cause him to be offered higher profile and higher money coordinator positions this off season.

So that's it. The thought of getting to 6 wins is largely out of my head by now -- I just don't see the defense to do that. But hopefully we have a year where we see improvement, we start identifying the defensive replacements for the 7 seniors who started on the defensive side of the ball on Sunday and we score enough points to win a few more games and play some competitive games. I know HCRE can rebuild this defense given time. But the questions are can he do it with this defensive coordinator, and can he keep Lashlee long enough to be here when it happens?

Great analysis. I enjoyed reading it.
 

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Not denying more would go, but those that would only go in that situation aren't the ones who graduate and then buy season tickets year after year. So don't agree that they need to be catered to more than they already are
We aren't moving from the Rent so the point is moot, but that said there are plenty of kids who become fans of a program while in college. After four years of being a fan, it gets to be a habit.
 

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That's a big difference than rolling out of bed and walking over to the game.

I would have never made a FB game when I was at UConn if we didn't play at memorial.

In fact, I can't remember watching a game not hung over. And my parents would be there and I'd show up in the 2nd quarter stinking of beer.
 

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