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The View From Section 241 -- ECU

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There are times when I look into the abyss and wonder why UCONN has a football team. I love it, look forward to the games all year, and have a ton a great memories from games. But, I am a middle aged Massachusetts resident with 3 kids, 2 minivans, and a mortgage. Not the target demographic. If the students don't care, why are we trying so hard?

The students are 18-20 year old kids with school, social lives (and in the near future careers & starting families) to worry about. Most of them go to games for the social aspect of it. Their top priority at this point in their lives is not whether we can get UConn into a power conference or not in order for the university to remain financially & athletically competitive. But for those of us old enough to be aware of these things, it matters.

That's why we're trying so hard.
 
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For the first time since 2004, through good times and bad, I see my dream of a high octane offense within reach.
 

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Nice write up BL. Good to see View from 241 back!

One quibble:


A noon Sunday game is going to be tough for college kids for the obvious reasons. That said, I see a little chicken and egg issue with the concept that a bad Sunday noon turnout at a stadium 30 minutes away from campus after an absolutely putrid season somehow means that less games should be played in Storrs. There are good reasons, free land and better access for Fairfield County, for us having our stadium so far off campus, but it comes with a cost since it is far less accessible for college students. Make no mistake about it, today's students are tomorrow's season ticket holders. It is what it is, so there's not much point bemoaning it, but the lack of student turnout at the Rent is a consequence of it being so far off campus not a justification of it, IMHO.

Snowflakes. We would revel in a bonus party day.
 

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I think we should all scorn @businesslawyer

when the going got tough, he was too busy to write the 241. I say we cut his salary!

PS: funny on the TDhusky stuff
 

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Snowflakes. We would revel in a bonus party day.
I never missed a home game. Of course those pony kegs in the stands provided a bit of the hair of the dog as it were.
 
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Well, that was harsh. That was a must win game played in a sauna in front of friends and family where we dug a deep and early hole, spent the entire game trying to climb out of it, and did -- but only to see a tieing chip shot field goal attempt go badly awry. I am fairly certain that is the first time in the history of the Rent that we've walked out losers because we missed a FG attempt. We've walked away winners under those circumstances -- Duke and UVA come to mind. We've lost on missed FGs on the road. Rutgers in '08 and maybe you put Mizzou on that list, even though we never kicked the ball. But at home, the closest we came was Akron in '04 where Nuzzi missed, giving the ball back to Charley Frye, and miraculously Akron threw a bunch of incomplete passes, gave us the ball back with clock and timeouts, Dan O drove us back into FG range and this time Nuzzi came through. It is an awfully deflating way to lose a home game. The lack of a crowd -- not at the end of the year but for a game where we were 1-1 -- was astounding, but I won't read much into it given that it was on a Sunday with little warning. Hopefully not a portent of things to come. Having said that, however, the next time a student asks for more basketball games in Storrs, or criticizes how grown ups watch a game, he can screw himself. The UConn student body should be embarrassed -- no, ashamed -- for their showing on Sunday. And while it was too hot to be playing or even watching football, unlike the Stony Brook game what we saw on Sunday was at least a competitive, and if you like offense, entertaining football game. I felt like I was trapped in a Touchdown Husky movie. I am supposed to be happy that we can now generate over 500 yards of total offense every game, but we couldn't stop a pickup Pop Warner team. You know the old gypsy curse -- may you one day get exactly what you wish for? Congratulations TDH. I hope you are happy, because that would make one of us.

Turning to the offense, Lashlee should be canonized NOW, and the offensive positional coaches should be on the list to be considered in the future. Our QB is who he is -- a solid player, but without either breakaway speed or the ability to throw deep with accuracy -- but damn, we can move the ball. I can't explain why Arkeel can't get holes he can find in the running game, but we have 3 3/4 more years of Mensah and Hopkins? Wow. Mensah especially looks like he's going to be a great weapon, along the lines of that short but not small Pitt back from back in '09 from Blair Academy whose name escapes me. Newsome, even if he's now our 3rd string TB, was just immense making plays in space. The long TD catch and run -- escaping traffic in that crowd on the sideline -- was just an unbelievable play. We unexpectedly lose our top WR at the start of the game and everyone else on offense -- the OL, the WRs (including a walk on getting his first real action), BS and Arkeel all step up. The OL and Grimes have not gotten enough credit here. Yes, the ECU defense is horrible, but we are getting better pass protection, we are running effectively whomever is in at TB and we are doing this while we are rebuilding the OL with youngsters on the fly. Von Demark's effort on the Newsome long TD catch was an effort we haven't seen from a UConn OT since Ryan Krug in the opener at the Rent against Indiana. So whatever happens this year, you have to love what we're seeing on offense with youngsters playing everywhere but QB.

The defense, however, is another story. As I have said in another thread, this is mostly about talent, but I don't think it's all about talent. Why are Foley and Joseph and the rest of our interior D solid against straight ahead running plays but much less effective against misdirection? Why did we keep allowing them to have a 3 on 2 advantage on swing passes to the strong side without figuring out how we maintained parity on that side of the field? How can you constantly leave the intermediate middle open on third downs? I don't blame Crocker for the fact that we are as bad a defense as I think I've ever seen -- he doesn't get beaten by every move of a WR or miss tackles constantly or not have the speed to effectively rush the passer -- but I'm watching to see if this is really the guy to get us back to where we want to be. On the other hand, while ECU not scoring for the last 25 minutes of the game may have had more to do with them slowing down and focusing on clock than our play, I will note that a lot of changes were made throughout the game defensively that at least showed you that someone was trying. We started seeing a lot more of Connor Freeborn at DE. Bell got benched for Herring-Wilson, and Coyle got benched for Fortt. And, on passing downs, we did what we should have been doing from day one, which is moving Ormsby to DT and flanking him with Luke and Stapleton, and that did generate somewhat more pressure. Do all these changes stick? Do they make us less pitiful? I don't know. We will see. But at least the coaches were trying, even if at times it didn't look like the players were. (As an aside, did TDH when we started the second half with the two teams combining for four TD drives of 75 yards in 6 minutes?)

Which takes us to special teams. It is great seeing us gain more yards on returns than we give up again, like the old days. Unfortunately, our Punter at this stage in his career isn't showing anything, and Tarbutt, while he has been awesome on kickoffs all year, choked in the clutch. And that was a choke, not a miss. He didn't take a full swing at the ball -- you could tell the moment the ball left his foot that he had babied the kick and just tried to steer it. I couldn't see direction from my seat, but you could tell that he did what I do when I block the golf ball with my driver, and you knew there was trouble. Hopefully, the young man shakes it off. He has a powerful leg. Does he have the mental state? Time will tell. Finally, when Jordan Swann, who had been a weapon, tried taking a KR five yards deep in the end zone out, we didn't see him again. Unless someone heard of an injury, I will assume this is Edsall being Edsall -- if you ignore the coaches instructions, he will find someone who won't. And we're lucky that Skanes is our second option, because he looked fine back there.

Coaching? We did return enough competent players that the defense should not be worst in the country bad. It just shouldn't. It's hard to believe that there isn't some formation and scheme to get more out of these guys, and I am surprised that, with a defensive roster loaded with seniors, more effort didn't go into building a scheme around the players -- at least for this one year -- than forcing the players into a scheme. Hopefully our scheme works and the players figure out their responsibilities better, but we're 3 games and 4 weeks into the season and my hopes are dimming. The offense, however, is light years better than any rational person could have hoped for given how we finished last year, and it's better while we're pushing young players forward in front of more experienced ones. I know that whomever coaches our defense there is not nearly enough team speed, and I know that given time Edsall can bring a defense to UConn, because he consistently did that before. Can he do it with this defensive staff? Time will tell. Can he keep Lashlee long enough to do it? That would be the more rational fear, because the resume that Lashlee will now have after accomplishing what he is accomplishing here will cause him to be offered higher profile and higher money coordinator positions this off season.

So that's it. The thought of getting to 6 wins is largely out of my head by now -- I just don't see the defense to do that. But hopefully we have a year where we see improvement, we start identifying the defensive replacements for the 7 seniors who started on the defensive side of the ball on Sunday and we score enough points to win a few more games and play some competitive games. I know HCRE can rebuild this defense given time. But the questions are can he do it with this defensive coordinator, and can he keep Lashlee long enough to be here when it happens?

Chief approves. Lashlee and Grimes getting it done. I agree talent is lacking on defense but too many head scratchers moves by the defensive coordinator. He will need to go.
 
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Chief approves. Lashlee and Grimes getting it done. I agree talent is lacking on defense but too many head scratchers moves by the defensive coordinator. He will need to go.

"He" is a coordinator with a successful record who is three games into a new job. The "he will need to go" conclusion is simply deranged. The "he needs to get better fast" conclusion, however, is inescapable. But this is not like HCVV hiring a play caller who had never called plays before. Our DC can't be an idiot. He has too much success on his record.
 
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"He" is a coordinator with a successful record who is three games into a new job. The "he will need to go" conclusion is simply deranged. The "he needs to get better fast" conclusion, however, is inescapable. But this is not like HCVV hiring a play caller who had never called plays before. Our DC can't be an idiot. He has too much success on his record.
I don't agree with "he will need to go" right away but why is Crocker getting a pass and why are we making excuses for him (talent level, etc). Look at what Lashlee has been able to step in and do taking the worst offense in the country and improving. You don't think that is all coaching? How does Crocker take a decent defense, turn into the worst defense in the country and we say "be patient". I am not expecting a top 10 defense, but it should be improving not getting worse. He has success on the FCS level not FBS. I don't think this team can afford to "wait and see." Being able to improve with what you have is the sign of good coaching, in my book.
 

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I don't agree with "he will need to go" right away but why is Crocker getting a pass and why are we making excuses for him (talent level, etc). Look at what Lashlee has been able to step in and do taking the worst offense in the country and improving. You don't think that is all coaching? How does Crocker take a decent defense, turn into the worst defense in the country and we say "be patient". I am not expecting a top 10 defense, but it should be improving not getting worse. He has success on the FCS level not FBS. I don't think this team can afford to "wait and see." Being able to improve with what you have is the sign of good coaching, in my book.

Lashlee is dealing with more talented players that were (with some exceptions) much more highly regarded coming out of HS.
 
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"He" is a coordinator with a successful record who is three games into a new job. The "he will need to go" conclusion is simply deranged. The "he needs to get better fast" conclusion, however, is inescapable. But this is not like HCVV hiring a play caller who had never called plays before. Our DC can't be an idiot. He has too much success on his record.
I told my wife the same thing about Diaco, he was too successful as player and coach to be an idiot. I'm still eating my words on that.
 
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I told my wife the same thing about Diaco, he was too successful as player and coach to be an idiot. I'm still eating my words on that.

Not the same thing. Diaco was a peter principle guy. He was successful at a job, so he got promoted into a harder job that he couldn't handle. Crocker has a track record of success at his current job. Giving him time because he's likely to be able to get the job done is not a prediction -- just a reasonable conclusion.
 

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Also, the people calling for a coordinator to be fired after three games have blatantly unreasonable expectations, and will be just as disappointed with the next, I don't know, five DCs that come after Crocker at this stage of their tenures.
 
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So did Crocker have a run in with Bunky?
Chief doesn’t try to just state the obvious, my goal is to be forward looking. Just remember who was ahead of the curve on “he has to go” with:
- Glen Miller
- Bob Diaco
- Travis Illian
Quite frankly, my assessment is that Croacker is too committed to the 3-3-5 to turn the page and adjust to a different level and personnel. His moves strike me as inflexible while Lashlee is always taking advantage of what the defense gives him and match up vulnerabilities.
 
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Also, the people calling for a coordinator to be fired after three games have blatantly unreasonable expectations, and will be just as disappointed with the next, I don't know, five DCs that come after Crocker at this stage of their tenures.
Not necessarily calling for him to be fired. Just reading the warning signs. My expectations were that the defense would show improvement which I do not think is unreasonable. Good coaches leverage their asests and can make bad teams better. I do not have any alternative and I agree that just going around in circles is not the answer. I guess we don't have much of a choice but to be patient and hope.
 

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Not necessarily calling for him to be fired. Just reading the warning signs. My expectations were that the defense would show improvement which I do not think is unreasonable. Good coaches leverage their asests and can make bad teams better. I do not have any alternative and I agree that just going around in circles is not the answer. I guess we don't have much of a choice but to be patient and hope.

I think many of us underestimated what losing Obi, Jhavon Williams, and John Green would do to the secondary. That is something anyone running the defense in any scheme would still have to deal with.
 

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Chief doesn’t try to just state the obvious, my goal is to be forward looking. Just remember who was ahead of the curve on “he has to go with”:
- Glen Miller
- Bob Diaco
- Travis Illian
Quite frankly, my assessment is that Croacker is too committed to the 3-3-5 to turn the page and adjust to a different level and personnel. His moves strike me as inflexible while Lashlee is always taking advantage of what the defense gives him and match up vulnerabilities.
Thank god Edsall is in charge instead of you.
 
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Where we rank offensively will be far more important at the end of the year than right now, but what a job Lashlee and crew have done.

If nobody else has said it, I will. Lashlee for HC, Edsall for DC.

(Crocker goes only because we don't need two DC's, not because we've seen a large enough sample size to determine what he can do, we haven't.)
 
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I don't agree with "he will need to go" right away but why is Crocker getting a pass and why are we making excuses for him (talent level, etc). Look at what Lashlee has been able to step in and do taking the worst offense in the country and improving. You don't think that is all coaching? How does Crocker take a decent defense, turn into the worst defense in the country and we say "be patient". I am not expecting a top 10 defense, but it should be improving not getting worse. He has success on the FCS level not FBS. I don't think this team can afford to "wait and see." Being able to improve with what you have is the sign of good coaching, in my book.

Crocker doesn't get a pass. He has to get better quickly. It looks like he's making personnel adjustments. If that doesn't work, it's time to adjust the scheme until the personnel is in place. I think it's obvious that the losses from last year's defense had a much greater impact on the team than the losses from the offense.

It's not scheme, it's not personnel, it's not coaching....it's all of the above.

It's infuriating that for years we just needed a competent offense to have a decent team, we got that and then some, and now we just need a competent defense.
 
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Lashlee is dealing with more talented players that were (with some exceptions) much more highly regarded coming out of HS.
Let's be fair. We had a totally incompetent OL and a passing game on life support. If I recall we were outscored 135 - 3 in the last few games and went without a touch down for 12 quarters. What Grimes and Lashlee have done is nothing short of a miracle. The D is intrinsically more capable of being improved, and Crocker inherited a decent senior Defensuve core and we are at the bottom of college football. This talent deficit excuse is a redux of seven years of cupboard bare arguments over the O.
 
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"He" is a coordinator with a successful record who is three games into a new job. The "he will need to go" conclusion is simply deranged. The "he needs to get better fast" conclusion, however, is inescapable. But this is not like HCVV hiring a play caller who had never called plays before. Our DC can't be an idiot. He has too much success on his record.
As the (fictional) former New Jersey Governor Martin J Quimby used to say, "Let us hope that all may yet be well."
 

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Many casual fans don't know what it takes to be successful in FB.
I've found that to be the case in my line of work as well. I think it's true in most occupations. People don't see that it can years to get good at something.
 

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