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The View From Section 241 — NC State

The Rosa penalty is automatic. I don’t know why it is a rule, but that will get called 100 out of 100 times.
Exactly. And the first td wasn’t even vaguely similar. He was diving for the pylon. Totally different Set of facts. I saw It last year at a Wesleyan game and same thing and a few years ago I think Arkansas. Same thing. It is the rule and is not a judgement call. It is like not getting the play off. You don’t snap the ball when the play clock expires it’s an automatic flag. It was a really stupid thing to do. Maybe he did it at Bristol Central and got away with it (it is a rule in high school too) because he was a star, but you won’t in college. I have never seen it in the NFL so I presume it is a rule there too.
 
I (SHUDDER) agree with Chief on the offense. The quarterback looked FCS to me In terms of arm strength, ability to throw and decision making/speed of the game.
 
I (SHUDDER) agree with Chief on the offense. The quarterback looked FCS to me In terms of arm strength, ability to throw and decision making/speed of the game.
This Quarterback is experientially more IAA(FCS?) than IA(FBS?) right now. By game 5 he should be at next level(IA/FBS/P2, 4 or 5) Much like a frosh in game 1 who still knows more about HS than college, halfway through the season he is more Soph than Frosh and HS is a distant memory. We'll see if Joey F makes the transition or not somewhere around the Utah St/Rice games. Arm strength is what it is.
 
I would like to see Rosa get more carries than the other two by a lot. Reason being is he could run through minimal contact.
He us our third string back
One of the most frustrating games at the Rent I can remember. Game should have been won, at home. Tackling horrible, especially on their QB. Punting inadequate - poor hang time. Kickoff depth unacceptable - watching Tenn St/ND right now - Tenn St kicker pounded ball into the end zone on opening kickoff. Receivers - no separation. QB - not good enough for D1.
yeah, NC State sucks. You realize the other team actually had overall better talent.
 
I (SHUDDER) agree with Chief on the offense. The quarterback looked FCS to me In terms of arm strength, ability to throw and decision making/speed of the
He us our third string back

yeah, NC State sucks. You realize the other team actually had overall better talent.
That’s @noeynox point. He had 11 TD’s last year, scored our only 2 TD’s yesterday and he is 3rd string? What are the guys doing who are first or second string?
 
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This Quarterback is experientially more IAA(FCS?) than IA(FBS?) right now. By game 5 he should be at next level(IA/FBS/P2, 4 or 5) Much like a frosh in game 1 who still knows more about HS than college, halfway through the season he is more Soph than Frosh and HS is a distant memory. We'll see if Joey F makes the transition or not somewhere around the Utah St/Rice games. Arm strength is what it is.
I hope I am wrong, just did not i on pass the eye test on several throws that were unpressured.
 
That’s @noeynox point. He had 11 TD’s last year, scored our only 2 TD’s yesterday and he is 3rd string? What are the guys doing who are first or second string?
You miss the tongue in cheek, Chiefee. I’m
pretty sure someone named Mora said he was 3rd string. And he was also mostly tongue in cheek.
 
No way Rosa should be second or third string on depth chart for Ga St. Productivity matters.
Another guy who doesn’t know tongue in cheek Let’s see more of your laughing emojis.
 
You miss the tongue in cheek, Chiefee. I’m
pretty sure someone named Mora said he was 3rd string. And he was also mostly tongue in cheek.
Another guy who doesn’t know tongue in cheek Let’s see more of your laughing emojis.

There was nothing tongue in cheek about the depth chart which had him listed as second or third string. And he was the third back to get snaps.
 
You miss the tongue in cheek, Chiefee. I’m
pretty sure someone named Mora said he was 3rd string. And he was also mostly tongue in cheek.
So a team’s official depth chart is tongue in cheek humor? Maybe I am indeed missing something?
As far as the QB, what I saw was that if you have a QB competition that too often means you don’t have a QB. I actually thought Turner threw a better ball.
I think Mora going to have to reassess certain things.
 
There was nothing tongue in cheek about the depth chart which had him listed as second or third string. And he was the third back to get snaps.
Lighten up. And figure out that Mora knows he has a load of good backs who will all see plenty of snaps. Maybe Mora doesn’t appreciate immature guys who think its cool to fo acrobatics into end zones.

And your comment about Fagnano tucking and running was the silliest comment I’ve seen. For a bunch a reasons. Watch a tape if the game and point out out all the situations where it would ‘have made sense for him to take off. Will he be ok in the long run, none of us know. He wasn’t nearly so horrible as people seem to think either. He three 2 great passes that his receivers failed to catch. One to Houston might have gone for a TD if he caught it and another 3rd down I think to maybe Geordon (sp?) hard catch no doubt, that would've kept the chsins moving.
 
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So a team’s official depth chart is tongue in cheek humor? Maybe I am indeed missing something?
As far as the QB, what I saw was that if you have a QB competition that too often means you don’t have a QB. I actually thought Turner threw a better ball.
I think Mora going to have to reassess certain things.
I think you and Chin are too serious about football. Tongue in cheek, since you don’t understand it, means making fun of something, as in I didn’t agree with it. I also think if you think Turner threw a better ball you are being tongue in cheek. NC State must really suck for so many people to think our QB bears full responsibility. He might be a dud, but it will take a few more games to prove anything. And we still don’t know what the deal is with Roberson.
 
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That’s @noeynox point. He had 11 TD’s last year, scored our only 2 TD’s yesterday and he is 3rd string? What are the guys doing who are first or second string?
I don't believe he is 3rd string but any carries going to Brewton should go to Rosa. Find other ways to get Brewton involved that don't include limiting Vic's touches. I lol at the talk over the summer that he didn't have breakaway speed. Kid ran away from the NC State secondary like they were standing still.
 
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Because it's a judgment call.
It is not, the rules are very clear:

Per the NCAA rulebook, players can’t do things that “provoke ill will or are demeaning to an opponent, to game officials or to the image of the game,” including but not limited to:

(e) An unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride as he approaches the opponent’s goal line or diving into the end zone.
 
It is not, the rules are very clear:

Per the NCAA rulebook, players can’t do things that “provoke ill will or are demeaning to an opponent, to game officials or to the image of the game,” including but not limited to:

(e) An unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride as he approaches the opponent’s goal line or diving into the end zone.

Well, here's the thing. If it's not a judgment call, they would have called a penalty.

The whole point of this clowning is human bias.

Psst- Every rule is a judgment call.

And for the record he didn't dive in to the end zone. He did a flip.
 
The Rosa penalty is automatic. I don’t know why it is a rule, but that will get called 100 out of 100 times.
To those who don’t like the rule: Your argument should be directed to the rules committee, not the refs. The refs are charged with enforcing the rules.
 
It is not, the rules are very clear:

Per the NCAA rulebook, players can’t do things that “provoke ill will or are demeaning to an opponent, to game officials or to the image of the game,” including but not limited to:

(e) An unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride as he approaches the opponent’s goal line or diving into the end zone.
Its a stupid rule…what he did wasn’t bad at all… i have seen a lot worse… I thought it was pretty cool and athletic what he did
 
Did you watch the Auburn game today?
He didn’t say 200 times out of 200. (And yes, that is tongue in cheek.)

Thank you Dizzy for providing the rule. So whether or not it makes sense, Rosa should have known it and the refs should have called it.
 
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Its a stupid rule…what he did wasn’t bad at all… i have seen a lot worse… I thought it was pretty cool and athletic what he did
I agree with you on that, but it is a rule and saying that the refs made a poor call is just incorrect. The refs in the Auburn game made the poor call.
 
Good to have BL's 241 View back - great write-up as always.

Yes, NC State is just a better team with better athletes on both sides. And that NC State's QB is definitely no raw youngster either - Brennan Armstrong's a 23-yr old 5th year redshirt grad transfer from Virginia and was their all-time leader in several passing stats. It's no wonder he was giving our defense fits all night. Dude's legit. NC State hosts Notre Dame next week so we'll get a better idea how good he and his team are.

As for us, disappointed about the loss, but I thought UConn played hard and despite the stagnant offense after the first TD drive, we were right in the game the whole way (it just didn't seem that way so much because there were many deflating moments). A 10-point loss to that team isn't all bad considering how they destroyed us last year.

I think we'll be ok - Fagnano should have better success with more time with this offense and I expect UConn to do well the next couple weeks leading up to Duke. We should be good enough to handle GA St on the road and definitely FIU by a lot (they had 4 total passing yds at LA Tech).

Props to the crowd for showing up big time - was expecting about 10k less to be honest. Biggest crowd since Michigan 2013 is a nice statement that we can indeed fill up the Rent again.
They’ll lose by 20 or 30 depending on the breaks.
 
He didn’t say 200 times out of 200. (And yes, that is tongue in cheek.)

More seriously, instead of just telling us it gets called every time could someone explain what exactly the rule is? I heard the referee say unsportsmanlike conduct, and unless it uses doing a flip as an example we see celebrations far more showy than that not called all the time.
(e) An unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride as he approaches the opponent’s goal line or diving into the end zone.
 
Thursday night was somewhat of a mixed bag. On the one hand, no one likes losing, despite the fact that NC State simply had better athletes than us the game was there for the taking, and the fact that after our first drive you couldn’t differentiate last year’s passing offense from this years are all clear negatives. On the other hand, if we’re honest and realistic they are a better team than us, composed of better individual talent, and we weren’t going to win unless we got some breaks. And breaks were not there to be had. No officials call that helped us (as we will get into a moment, quite the opposite), no takeaways, nothing that would let a 15 point upset happen. So use opening night as a measuring stick. Last year they beat us 41-10, and let’s be honest — the game wasn’t nearly that close. They were up 31-3 at the half and if they wanted to beat us by much more they could have. This year, we lost by 10, and weren’t totally out of the game until the last 2 minutes. This team is far, far better than it was a year ago. As I’ve said since the schedule was set, we just have to be able to turn that into wins on the road against teams that are beatable.

Beautiful night for football. Took a full two hours to get there from Fairfield, pulled into the parking lot at 5:10 and the main blue lot, opposite the stadium, was already full. Had to park on the left as you looked at the stadium. I can not remember the prime part of the blue lot full over 2 hours before a game in forever. And the crowd showed from that. If you’re asking me how many fans were in the stadium (recognizing that our “40 k” capacity includes all players, stadium workers, etc. who aren’t in the stands, and I think the stadium seats around 38 to 38.5k), I’d say about 33k, clearly the best crowd since Michigan 11 years ago. And maybe more students since — well — ever. Eventually we have to get people to show up and actually pay for their tickets, but it was great to see an almost full house. Credits to thone who made it happen. And the game was competitive, and one which most people stayed with for a long time.

So we lost a game we stayed in. We lost for two reasons. One, as I said, they simply have more athletes on their squad then we do, and it would have taken something other than winning winnable individual battles to get the W. And in fact, the something else was the refs and it went the other way. Both of State’s scoring drives in the 2d half were helped on by penalties that weren’t “not” penalties but didn’t have to be called either. On the Rosa penalty, that set up the short kickoff and giving them under 30 yards to go for the clinching TD, I will be the first to admit that I don’t know the exact letter of the rule — maybe he did break one that had to be called. But he didn’t taunt anyone, and his individual flip celebration was no worse than we see after most TDS (or even sacks or takeaways) that are done without taunting. I am all for cracking down on taunting fouls, but I don’t know why that was worse than what we see all the time. On the drive that preceded Rosa’s run, the PI on bin Wahad was frustrating as heck, because he had position, he had all day just to turn once for the ball and he didn’t, which allowed the call. There really wasn’t much contact, and given the potential PI’s not called on the Wolfpack this didn’t have to be called, but I get it. On the one after we stopped them on 4th and goal, that was worse. Again, I get what the ref called, and there was contact and Brown never looked for the ball, but Brown had position and the WR tried to go through him. I just don’t see how Brown was penalized for having position but not turning his head when he initiated no contact and because of the scramble didn’t know where the ball was coming from. But adding to the fact that these calls, while not flat our wrong, where not necessary is the fact that the Wolfpack were flagged once, for a false start, the entire game. This is football. To never find a single hold or interference — please.

O.k., offense, defense and special teams. On offense, the running game was fine. Rosa was obviously outstanding. There were no mistakes, other than the pick when we had to force things at the end of the game and Brewton getting in the wrong spot and running into a WR trying to take a shovel pass. On the first drive, we saw Fagnano do exactly what he was asked to do, including a nice throw that he had to sidearm on the run, and we were all hopeful. And then, the passing game looked like it did last year. And other than not making bad mistakes we didn’t see improvement. Other than Buckman receivers didn’t make tough catches, and many of the failed attempts for tough catches where were Fagnano didn’t need to make the catches tough. I was not surprised by a lack of arm strength, but I was surprised by how rarely he looked to a secondary receiver and that he didn’t have more touch. Look, it was opening night and this may be as good a pass defense as we play against all year. Let’s see how we do in Atlanta next week against a defense that got torched in the air by Rhode Island. But there is not question that in terms of passing opening night was both disappointing and troubling.

On defense, I thought we held up well against a good P-5 team. It wasn’t a great, dominant performance but it wasn’t supposed to be. Given how much we were on the field, other than not generating takeaways I don’t think you could have asked for much more. Durante Jones and Mitchell were really good. So was Jelani Stafford. I think Cross held up well playing for Dixon Williams (do we know what his injury was?). Other than that, we played a lot of folks (after the opening drive for a TD when the D came back out I think Mora made 8 changes to get his point across) and with one or two exceptions everyone was o.k. Yes, the offense they had came disproportionately from QB scrambles but you can’t take away everything from a good offense and I don’t think he ever gained more than 8 yards. The one defender whom I really thought looked unable to make plays at this level was Noah Plack in his debut. I need to see a much better job from him the next two games against lesser athletes. And, while he won’t play against many OTs as good as tonight, we need more from Eric Watts. He can’t be that quiet if we’re going to pull a big upset this year.

On specials teams, not a lot to say. Caratan looked much better punting the ball, Bruckman was safe on punt returns but didn’t let the ball bounce, Brewton looked dangerous on his one KR. McFadden does not have the leg strength that Noe Rulas does and shouldn’t be kicking off. If he is taking placements, fine, but I don’t get why he kicked off as well. His lack of leg strength, combined with Rosa’s penalty, poor coverage for the only time that night and then the unnecessary roughness (which I didn’t see so I won’t comment on, other than hoping the player who took the hit is o.k.) all contributed to take us out of the game.

I thought coming in that there are 5 games we’ll be material dogs in (NC State and Duke at home and Tenn, BC and JMU on the road), SHU, FIU, USF and USU at home and at UMass, and winnable road games at Rice and Georgia State that last year we would have lost because Road. Now, opponents may be better or worse than everyone anticipated pre-season, and Georgia State was lucky to beat Rhodes on Thursday, and I’m not saying we won’t pull a big upset or two, but Saturday night’s game is a most win. Get to Duke at 2-1 and we’ll be where we should have reasonably hoped to be. And let’s see what a passing offense that looked anemic on Thursday can do against a passing defense that was torched by a FCS team.

I’ll try to be more concise for week 2, but like with our passing offense it was opening night — be patient.
Nice write up, let’s hope the passing improves. I’d like to see Roberson get some snaps, unless he still isn’t 100%.
 
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