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The View From Section 241 — NC State

Us not spying the quarterback is part of the reason we lost. Thats a coaches error.
 
Nostical said:
Nice synopsis. As much as it hurt us, I get the refs calling the penalty on the Rosa touchdown (yes it’s the rule) although, frankly, had it not been called, I doubt it would have resulted in NCSt’s coaches rushing the refs to howl about it.
And yes there was disparity in the penalty calls; which unfortunately happens all too often when the visiting team’s conference refs have no incentive to give the Independent any “special handling”.
But as for the other debacle of the night, the one most responsible for us losing the game, sorry, but there’s just no excuse (other than a coach’s stubborn philosophy) for not spying the QB after watching him scamper for multiple first downs—repeatedly—after we cut off his passing options. Fool us once, yup, twice, sure, three times,ok. But allowing him to scamper for first downs 14 times out of his 19 rushes? Wonder how long ND will wait before clamping down on him next week.
Hearing Mora say “we don’t spy” was the saddest comment of the night.
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Too true- I trust in HCJM- but my faith was shaken by what you describe, as well as a seeming absence of prep for the NCST qb's strengths and refusal/inability to adjust. That plus goofy discipline problems with stupid penalties and horrendous over-running/ tackling make me question the coaching far more than any talent differential.
 
Nostical said:
Nice synopsis. As much as it hurt us, I get the refs calling the penalty on the Rosa touchdown (yes it’s the rule) although, frankly, had it not been called, I doubt it would have resulted in NCSt’s coaches rushing the refs to howl about it.
And yes there was disparity in the penalty calls; which unfortunately happens all too often when the visiting team’s conference refs have no incentive to give the Independent any “special handling”.
But as for the other debacle of the night, the one most responsible for us losing the game, sorry, but there’s just no excuse (other than a coach’s stubborn philosophy) for not spying the QB after watching him scamper for multiple first downs—repeatedly—after we cut off his passing options. Fool us once, yup, twice, sure, three times,ok. But allowing him to scamper for first downs 14 times out of his 19 rushes? Wonder how long ND will wait before clamping down on him next week.
Hearing Mora say “we don’t spy” was the saddest comment of the night.
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Spy? Didn’t need to spy the QB. How about the LBs make a play and DE’s don’t lose contain?

I think Mora can run a defense. Saw no scheme issues. Issue was tackling.
 
businesslawyer said:
At what level? We’ve played one game this year, and we are not on the same level as NC State. Let’s see how things play out, but if your point is that our OC isn’t on a Top 40-ish level — well, neither is our program or our roster.
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Agree with BL here. NC State a better football team. We needed them to make a mistake to win. They didn’t. Now, we’ll bare what real expectations are. If UConn can’t score in Gia state, which gave up 35 and 400+ yards to Rhode island, then we got a problem.
 
Guru13 said:
Us not spying the quarterback is part of the reason we lost. Thats a coaches error.
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We can't be as sure of this as you are claiming.

If we spied on Armstrong, we would have either removed someone from coverage or from the pass rush. Either would have made it easier for them to beat us in the passing game. It could be argued that they would have gained more yards with passes than with QB runs. It may have been a tactical decision on the lesser of a couple of evils.
 
Dizzy21 said:
The rule is very clearly defined and has zero leeway for defining intent. It defines a break of the rule as someone who is unopposed and dives into the endzone. That is literally what they have defined as demeaning or provoking ill will etc. It says zero about intent and rather clearly defines that the particular action that Rosa did is what they consider a break of the rule.
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A voice of reason in the wilderness.
 
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JohnFSilver said:
Agree with BL here. NC State a better football team. We needed them to make a mistake to win. They didn’t. Now, we’ll bare what real expectations are. If UConn can’t score in Gia state, which gave up 35 and 400+ yards to Rhode island, then we got a problem.
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I think we are just kidding ourselves, if we thought we saw a smooth operating offense yesterday and adequate pressure on the QB.
To me and to refs doing the Bama game “to demean” the defense is subjective and where intent comes into play.

The only call that went our way all night was was the one that was totally objective by its nature.
 
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JohnFSilver said:
Agree with BL here. NC State a better football team. We needed them to make a mistake to win.
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They did. They just got enough help from the stripes that it didn't matter. Don't get me wrong, I'm not filled with "we were robbed" outrage, but they got a little help when they needed it.
 
McFadden wasn't getting the ball into the endzone on kickoffs. Does anyone remember if he did two years ago, pre-ACL injury? Go with Ruelas on kickoffs?
 
MuchoDogYears said:
McFadden wasn't getting the ball into the endzone on kickoffs. Does anyone remember if he did two years ago, pre-ACL injury? Go with Ruelas on kickoffs?
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I would have the stronger leg kickoff. Got to get the ball deeper. You have two kickers. Don’t need to redshirt them, but you have to get the ball into the end zone considering kickoff rules. Can’t allow returns.
 
MuchoDogYears said:
McFadden wasn't getting the ball into the endzone on kickoffs. Does anyone remember if he did two years ago, pre-ACL injury? Go with Ruelas on kickoffs?
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He definitely was kicking his kickoffs longer than he did Thursday two years ago.
 
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MuchoDogYears said:
McFadden wasn't getting the ball into the endzone on kickoffs. Does anyone remember if he did two years ago, pre-ACL injury? Go with Ruelas on kickoffs?
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According to Football Database 43 Kickoffs, 9 Touchbacks, 1 OB, 23 returns. AVG 56.4 yards per kick.
 
Bubba1957 said:
Spy or no spy, still have to tackle.
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I'm hoping the LB's learned a lot from Thursday and there are adjustments made to the LB scheme and cohesiveness amongst themselves and how they relate to the DL and secondary. A few modifications and we'll have a really tight D.
 
Agree with BL. Here are my three positives, two negatives, and one question:

Three positives
  1. Awesome crowd and energy at the tailgate and during the game (after everyone arrived mid-way through the first quarter).
  2. Great opening drive.
  3. Running game looks solid.
Two negatives
  1. Planning for their QB so we could contain him.
  2. Offensive game plan after the first series.
One question
  1. Who starts at QB this week?
 
BlueandOG said:
Agree with BL. Here are my three positives, two negatives, and one question:

Three positives
  1. Awesome crowd and energy at the tailgate and during the game (after everyone arrived mid-way through the first quarter).
  2. Great opening drive.
  3. Running game looks solid.
Two negatives
  1. Planning for their QB so we could contain him.
  2. Offensive game plan after the first series.
One question
  1. Who starts at QB this week?
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Fagnano.
 
BlueandOG said:
Agree with BL. Here are my three positives, two negatives, and one question:

Three positives
  1. Awesome crowd and energy at the tailgate and during the game (after everyone arrived mid-way through the first quarter).
  2. Great opening drive.
  3. Running game looks solid.
Two negatives
  1. Planning for their QB so we could contain him.
  2. Offensive game plan after the first series.
One question
  1. Who starts at QB this week?
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I'd be shocked if you see a change after 1 week. If we have less than 100 yards passing 55 minutes in again Saturday, then ask me.
 
businesslawyer said:
I'd be shocked if you see a change after 1 week. If we have less than 100 yards passing 55 minutes in again Saturday, then ask me.
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I really hope we take care of business Saturday, but if we don’t and see a similar performance from Fagnano I’d expect Roberson to start vs. FIU.

We absolutely cannot start 0-3 or 0-4.
 
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Would like to see more hard hitting from our defense. Jelani Stafford and Pryce Yates were there but nothing stood out from many others on our defense. Using Stafford on offense was good to see after hints about it at the end of last season.
 
Victor Rosa..Justin Joly…Malcolm Bell…these three sophomores are players uconn build a team around..I would also include sophomore Zion Turner..what a great recruiting class
 
freescooter said:
Exactly. And the first td wasn’t even vaguely similar. He was diving for the pylon. Totally different Set of facts. I saw It last year at a Wesleyan game and same thing and a few years ago I think Arkansas. Same thing. It is the rule and is not a judgement call. It is like not getting the play off. You don’t snap the ball when the play clock expires it’s an automatic flag. It was a really stupid thing to do. Maybe he did it at Bristol Central and got away with it (it is a rule in high school too) because he was a star, but you won’t in college. I have never seen it in the NFL so I presume it is a rule there too.
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Not true. Look at the first play in the 3rd quarter from Auburn/UMass game. DB runs back an interception and flips into the end zone with no penalty called.
 
JohnFSilver said:
Spy? Didn’t need to spy the QB. How about the LBs make a play and DE’s don’t lose contain?
I think Mora can run a defense. Saw no scheme issues. Issue was tackling.
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Please. So if the LB’s weren’t making plays and the DE’s were losing contain, you want to simply let the QB run for first downs 14 times? Lets not call it a “Spy”—how about a “concentration” on him. Might that have —oh I don’t know —stopped a few of those freaking plays that were killing our ability to get them off the field on 4th down?
 
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freescooter said:
No excuse for the Rosa penalty. That flip into the end zone is called every single time at the college level and I’ve never seen it not called in high school. Every single time. It is a penalty and not a judgement call. Other than that an excellent analysis
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No it is not called every time. I was watching another game (Sorry can't remember which one) on Saturday and I saw a player do the same thing with no call, I sat there saying WTF.
 
The more I watch the replay the more I am convinced that Charlton sometimes just self sabotage instead of taking what the defense gives him. It's almost as if NC State knew when to load up the box vs the run against us and we couldn't make them pay for loading up the box. Do we not have any RPO's in our arsenal??
 
Husky68 said:
(e) An unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride as he approaches the opponent’s goal line or diving into the end zone.
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If we were "unopposed" we'd probably score on a majority of running plays.
 
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