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The pros and cons of joining the Pac-12 for football only

Fishy said:
The Pac12 is unappealing as a football only option - anyone up for an 11 pm game on a Wednesday night? No?

But anyone suggesting it for all sports….what is wrong with you?
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People just looking for a solution and getting crazy on us.

There is no better option than Big East bball and Indy football outside the P4. Honestly, I’m starting to question if the P4 is even a good thing. It seems like the P2 are all that matter anyway.
 
Hoophound said:
People just looking for a solution and getting crazy on us.

There is no better option than Big East bball and Indy football outside the P4. Honestly, I’m starting to question if the P4 is even a good thing. It seems like the P2 are all that matter anyway.
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The P4 is a double edged sword.

Even in a P2 world, the back half of the P4 are far more secure than schools outside the it - making $40-50M a year and having a seat at the table is better than making $5M and listening at the door.

Flip side - The B12 and ACC have gone to some lengths to make themselves unappealing. I don’t want to play basketball games at SMU, UCF, BYU, Houston, Cal, Stanford and a bunch of other places I don’t care about.

Football, fine. But basketball…blech.
 
Fishy said:
The P4 is a double edged sword.

Even in a P2 world, the back half of the P4 are far more secure than schools outside the it - making $40-50M a year and having a seat at the table is better than making $5M and listening at the door.

Flip side - The B12 and ACC have gone to some lengths to make themselves unappealing. I don’t want to play basketball games at SMU, UCF, BYU, Houston, Cal, Stanford and a bunch of other places I don’t care about.

Football, fine. But basketball…blech.
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Where is that $40 to $50 million coming from? The Big 12 and ACC are still handing out full memberships?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Where is that $40 to $50 million coming from? The Big 12 and ACC are still handing out full memberships?
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It will also be interesting to see what those deals look like the next time around. It seems like ESPN is doing everything it can to make the ACC worth less.
 
Hoophound said:
It will also be interesting to see what those deals look like the next time around. It seems like ESPN is doing everything it can to make the ACC worth less.
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ESPN is part of the problem, but the Big 12 and ACC are not handing out full memberships anymore. The buy-in, which would be a huge cut in revenue from full membership, could last, years, a decade, or forever.

People who think UConn will get $40 million a year when/if it signs with the ACC or Big 12 are delusional.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
ESPN is part of the problem, but the Big 12 and ACC are not handing out full memberships anymore. The buy-in, which would be a huge cut in revenue from full membership, could last, years, a decade, or forever.

People who think UConn will get $40 million a year when/if it signs with the ACC or Big 12 are delusional.
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Hopefully, we can get a decent cut so we can continue to improve football and maintain basketball. There has to be some common sense involved at some point that to be a strong conference, your members need money. I realize that SMU and Stanford don’t need money, which made them appealing. Hopefully, our need for it doesn’t hurt us in getting a spot somewhere.
 
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Kolumbo said:
why? everyone here obsesses about CR which is why we have a thread with 250k posts. I'm so obsessed I am posting this!

Of course this is not a realistic possibility, but interesting to me nevertheless. I have gone from loving the Big East to wanting out asap for reasons discussed in basketball threads. Strength in numbers. If the Big 12 and ACC won't act, we should.

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You do realize we just paid big exit fee money to leave that mess right?
 
Fishy said:
The Pac12 is unappealing as a football only option - anyone up for an 11 pm game on a Wednesday night? No?

But anyone suggesting it for all sports….what is wrong with you?
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There are some intriguing FB matchups- Boise, OSU and WSU. Even throw Fresno and SDSU as good matchups. Also like academies.

Tulane, Memphis, and USF aren’t bad and Temple is already on the schedule and a good matchup.

I don’t think this happens and Pac 12 alone is too isolating for east coast presence.
 
ZooCougar said:
You do realize we just paid big exit fee money to leave that mess right?
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we paid to leave the AAC and that is a sunk cost. We did it to save basketball, but for football, it was a very good conference. it is irrelevant to what UConn does going forward. It remains to be seen if football independence is a long-term solution. I'm not sure if the Big 12 is interested anymore but I don't think anyone thinks the status quo is the solution. Therefore, I'm open to all options.

There are two remaining issues:
1. Football conference affiliation
2. Basketball is getting shaken down in the BE

Not that the rankings are the end all, but here are the number of basketball programs ranked. This is a problem for the Big East:

9 - SEC
5 - Big 12
5 - Big 10
3 - ACC
2 - Big East
1 - AAC
 
The AAC was a good football conference but our brand was too big for that conference. You can already see the chatter about our football coming back. You won't hear that about an AAC school, no one cares. Even Memphis, the biggest brand in the AAC, doesn't get any air time nationally on talk shows when they are good in football. UConn and Jim Mora immediately became interesting with a decent season to their credit.

We've got to remember that perception is reality and a good Indy UConn football team winning and beating P4 schools while the basketball teams rule the Big East, will be a much better look than winning in the AAC. I can't really explain it, but I think our brand is big enough to pull it off. You might even see us become a bit of a media darling again, as we've been in the past when our football was a feel good story. There really isn't any sense discussing anything other than a P4 invite. I just don't think it is in the cards unless there is some strong turn of events.
 
Kolumbo said:
we paid to leave the AAC and that is a sunk cost. We did it to save basketball, but for football, it was a very good conference. it is irrelevant to what UConn does going forward. It remains to be seen if football independence is a long-term solution. I'm not sure if the Big 12 is interested anymore but I don't think anyone thinks the status quo is the solution. Therefore, I'm open to all options.

There are two remaining issues:
1. Football conference affiliation
2. Basketball is getting shaken down in the BE

Not that the rankings are the end all, but here are the number of basketball programs ranked. This is a problem for the Big East:

9 - SEC
5 - Big 12
5 - Big 10
3 - ACC
2 - Big East
1 - AAC
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For now, I'm willing to call the rankings an aberration. Without Liam injured, we'd still be ranked, PC would probably have a chance at a ranking with Hopkins and Creighton is a good team and plays at a Top 25 level most nights. Its a down year, but it isn't that down. The SEC should scare everyone.
 
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Hoophound said:
For now, I'm willing to call the rankings an aberration. Without Liam injured, we'd still be ranked, PC would probably have a chance at a ranking with Hopkins and Creighton is a good team and plays at a Top 25 level most nights. Its a down year, but it isn't that down. The SEC should scare everyone.
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Every team has injury issues. Big East and SEC number of ranked teams. Seems consistent for the BE. The SEC, whoa Nellie. I don't think it will finish with 9 but we know the P2 will have an advantage.

2025 - 2
2024 - 3
2023 - 3
2022 - 3
2021 - 2

SEC
2025 - 9
2024 - 5
2023 - 4
2022 - 4
2021 - 2

Hoophound said:
The AAC was a good football conference but our brand was too big for that conference. You can already see the chatter about our football coming back. You won't hear that about an AAC school, no one cares. Even Memphis, the biggest brand in the AAC, doesn't get any air time nationally on talk shows when they are good in football. UConn and Jim Mora immediately became interesting with a decent season to their credit.

We've got to remember that perception is reality and a good Indy UConn football team winning and beating P4 schools while the basketball teams rule the Big East, will be a much better look than winning in the AAC. I can't really explain it, but I think our brand is big enough to pull it off. You might even see us become a bit of a media darling again, as we've been in the past when our football was a feel good story. There really isn't any sense discussing anything other than a P4 invite. I just don't think it is in the cards unless there is some strong turn of events.
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I agree with most of this but I also believe our perception is very different than the rest of the country's. Many message boards discuss Memphis, Tulane, USF, even the Texas programs. I don't think a P4 invite is in the cards unless something major happens to the ACC and forces the Big 12's hand. I'm not seeing it.
 
My simple computer model has 8 of the current top 10 from the SEC. Basketball has changed and changed forever. It's unreal. If I were home I could tell you how many is in the top 50... but if it was 14 I wouldn't be shocked
 
Kolumbo said:
Every team has injury issues. Big East and SEC number of ranked teams. Seems consistent for the BE. The SEC, whoa Nellie. I don't think it will finish with 9 but we know the P2 will have an advantage.

2025 - 2
2024 - 3
2023 - 3
2022 - 3
2021 - 2

SEC
2025 - 9
2024 - 5
2023 - 4
2022 - 4
2021 - 2


I agree with most of this but I also believe our perception is very different than the rest of the country's. Many message boards discuss Memphis, Tulane, USF, even the Texas programs. I don't think a P4 invite is in the cards unless something major happens to the ACC and forces the Big 12's hand. I'm not seeing it.
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I know what the message boards discuss, but they are misinformed. We are worth more than those schools and none of them expected us to make a football comeback, but it’s happening. The B12 wasn’t courting any of those schools, they know we are the option. Now that bball in the B12 is coming back down to earth, we are needed even more. Plus, they desperately need exposure in the Northeast.
 
SDSU AD commenting on their anticipated media deal (end of next month) and its impacts on expansion:

“At the end of next month, we will have the (memorandum of understanding) done for our television deal,” Wicker said. “So we will know what our TV deal is going to be, who our partners are going to be. I will say this, they’re entities you are familiar with, that you would recognize. We’re going to get great exposure, and the really good thing is we’re going to get more exposure. It’s not just going to be football and men’s basketball, but … all of our sports are going to have the opportunity for this increased exposure. It’s going to be increased revenue, which is a big thing for us.

“That’s really the next big piece. Once we know that, then we can go recruit that eighth football-playing member. … And then after that, we’ll figure out if we’re adding one, two or three more schools, and whether they’re coming in in all of their sports. They might be coming in in some of their sports.”
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This was posted in the soccer forum but needs to be seen. This is the future if we don’t get into a power conference. Notice the 2 PAC12 schools that are getting grandfathered into the soccer breakaway. Might be time to suck it up and just join the PAC12.
 
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UConnTrumbull said:
This was posted in the soccer forum but needs to be seen. This is the future if we don’t get into a power conference. Notice the 2 PAC12 schools that are getting grandfathered into the soccer breakaway. Might be time to suck it up and just join the PAC12.
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This would be extremely sad. Here are championship games which include teams not on that map. A lot more than I expected so I stopped at 1977. And this doesn't even include the semi-finals. Heck, the "other tournament" which excludes the Power conference programs would probably be better.

www.ncaa.com

DI Men's Soccer Championship History | NCAA.com

The complete list of NCAA Men's Soccer DI champions from the first season to today.
www.ncaa.com www.ncaa.com

2024 UVM over Akron
2020 Marshall over Indiana
2019 Georgetown over UVA
2018 Maryland over Akron
2012 Indiana over Georgetown
2010 Akron over Louisville
2009 UVA over Akron
2006 UC Santa Barbara over UCLA
2005 Maryland over New Mexico
2004 Indiana over UC Santa Barbara
2003 Indiana over St. John's
2000 UConn over Creighton
1999 Indiana over Santa Clara
1996 St. John's over FIU
1992 UVA over San Diego
1991 UVA over Santa Clara
1989 Santa Clara over Rutgers
1988 Indiana over Howard
1987 Clemson over San Diego State
1986 Duke over Akron
1985 UCLA over American
1983 Indiana over Columbia
1981 UConn over Alabama A&M
1980 San Francisco over Indiana
1979 SIU Edwardsville over Clemson
1978 San Francisco over Indiana
1977 Hartwick over San Francisco
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Kolumbo said:
This would be extremely sad. Here are championship games which include teams not on that map. A lot more than I expected so I stopped at 1977. And this doesn't even include the semi-finals. Heck, the "other tournament" which excludes the Power conference programs would probably be better.

www.ncaa.com

DI Men's Soccer Championship History | NCAA.com

The complete list of NCAA Men's Soccer DI champions from the first season to today.
www.ncaa.com www.ncaa.com

2024 UVM over Akron
2020 Marshall over Indiana
2019 Georgetown over UVA
2018 Maryland over Akron
2012 Indiana over Georgetown
2010 Akron over Louisville
2009 UVA over Akron
2006 UC Santa Barbara over UCLA
2005 Maryland over New Mexico
2004 Indiana over UC Santa Barbara
2003 Indiana over St. John's
2000 UConn over Creighton
1999 Indiana over Santa Clara
1996 St. John's over FIU
1992 UVA over San Diego
1991 UVA over Santa Clara
1989 Santa Clara over Rutgers
1988 Indiana over Howard
1987 Clemson over San Diego State
1986 Duke over Akron
1985 UCLA over American
1983 Indiana over Columbia
1981 UConn over Alabama A&M
1980 San Francisco over Indiana
1979 SIU Edwardsville over Clemson
1978 San Francisco over Indiana
1977 Hartwick over San Francisco
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If you can't beat em, get rid of them
 
Ha Who said:
Guys it is Reddit. The West Virginia whacks have more credibility
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www.sportico.com

Can U.S. Soccer’s Support Kick Year-Round College Model Into Gear?

U.S. Soccer, the Big Ten and ACC are exploring the idea of launching a 32-team pilot program for two-semester men's college soccer.
www.sportico.com www.sportico.com

-> Since mid-2024, the two power conferences have held regular talks with soccer’s national governing body about initially inviting 32 schools to participate in a two-semester trial run, seeking to bypass the traditional NCAA legislative process that has halted previous attempts to put the year-round model into play. <-

->In the summer of 2024, there was a push to see if the pilot program could get off the ground for the 2025-26 academic year, timed to coincide with the start of the 2026 World Cup in North America. As part of this initiative, a document obtained by Sportico presented a 32-team, four-region structure that included all 15 men’s soccer programs from the ACC, all 11 from the Big Ten, as well as West Virginia, Oregon State, San Diego State, South Carolina, Kentucky and UCF.

However, by the end of last year, that ambitious timeline had been put on indefinite hold to allow for, among other things, a clearer understanding of the NCAA’s evolving governance structure. <-
 
FWIW.....another podcast, this one calling that Texas St (all sports) and St. Mary's as the next 2 additions. Would give the PAC the needed 8 full members (+ 2 hoopsters)... also." Boise State AD Dickey said the Texas market is important to them this week"

 
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UConnTrumbull said:
This was posted in the soccer forum but needs to be seen. This is the future if we don’t get into a power conference. Notice the 2 PAC12 schools that are getting grandfathered into the soccer breakaway. Might be time to suck it up and just join the PAC12.
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Is College Soccer some moneymaker? I don't get the push for this
 
cellocgg said:
Is College Soccer some moneymaker? I don't get the push for this
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Not yet. But I'm sure they're looking into if they can turn it into one and compete with the USL (who in turn wants to supplant MLS)
 
Blades said:
FWIW.....another podcast, this one calling that Texas St (all sports) and St. Mary's as the next 2 additions. Would give the PAC the needed 8 full members (+ 2 hoopsters)... also." Boise State AD Dickey said the Texas market is important to them this week"

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I don't see the value of St Mary's. They're just a very poor man's Gonzaga.
 
WrenchFan69 said:
I don't see the value of St Mary's. They're just a very poor man's Gonzaga.
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3,500 capacity gym, <4K students, consequently smallish alumni base, relatively successful basketball (albeit weak WCC competition), hoop brand?, guess the media decision makers directing newby PacX see Gonzaga pal along with Bay Area-ish partner for the other Cali schools
 
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