The problem with starting Whitmer

[Bonehead]

I will bet that the Ct media do know what's wrong with Whitmer but don't share that because it would alienate them from the coaching staff and they would end up on the "outside" of UConn football.

HCBD is a control freak and doesn't want to share any information about the team unless it suits his purposes.

Well then you aren't media - can't be media worrying about alienating people - uncover truths and wrongs of the world.

If you end up on the outside of UConn FB - come here and tell your story - the masses would march.

 

[Husky25]

HCBD is a control freak and doesn't want to share any information about the team unless it suits his purposes.

You could replace "HCBD" with the name of any coach at the college or pro level at that would be a mostly true statement.

If part of your criteria for a head coach is to be completely open about even the most minute details, you won't get anyone worth their salt to coach at this level. How do you know what questions have or have not been asked? Unless you are a credentialed member of the media, you have no idea. Yes, speaking with the media is part of his job, but Diaco's loyalty is to his players, as it should be.

 

[Bonehead]

You could replace "HCBD" with the name of any coach at the college or pro level at that would be a mostly true statement.

If part of your criteria for a head coach is to be completely open about even the most minute details, you won't get anyone worth their salt to coach at this level. How do you know what questions have or have not been asked? Unless you are a credentialed member of the media, you have no idea. Yes, speaking with the media is part of his job, but Diaco's loyalty is to his players, as it should be.

We dont know - but a media person could write something to this effect -

"I asked the following follow up question ....." the response from HCBD was 'Not answering that' or whatever the coach response was. I have no faith in follow up questions being asked - they (media) are mostly likely just accepting the spoon feeding.

 

[Dogged]

We dont know - but a media person could write something to this effect -

"I asked the following follow up question ....." the response from HCBD was 'Not answering that' or whatever the coach response was. I have no faith in follow up questions being asked - they (media) are mostly likely just accepting the spoon feeding.

Bonehead, your view of what the media should be is an idealized view. Not like that in real life. Nobody is paying media people to come to the Boneyard.

 

[Husky25]

We dont know - but a media person could write something to this effect -
"I asked the following follow up question ....." the response from HCBD was 'Not answering that' or whatever the coach response was. I have no faith in follow up questions being asked - they (media) are mostly likely just accepting the spoon feeding.

They would never throw themselves or Diaco under the bus like that. Plus, in Diaco's mind, it's been asked and answered already. Didn't he state after Temple that they want Boyle to play as much as he can? Diaco has cited health privacy laws and won't comment on a player's injury. Bottom line is that if Boyle still has uncomfortable lower leg pain, he can't be trusted to be effective. The pain has to retreat below Boyles threshold so he can operate as if he is not aware of it and at that point he can be more effective.

 

[Bonehead]

They would never throw themselves or Diaco under the bus like that. Plus, in Diaco's mind, it's been asked and answered already. Didn't he state after Temple that they want Boyle to play as much as he can? Diaco has cited health privacy laws and won't comment on a player's injury. Bottom line is that if Boyle still has uncomfortable lower leg pain, he can't be trusted to be effective. The pain has to retreat below Boyles threshold so he can operate as if he is not aware of it and at that point he can be more effective.

Florida State is so criminal they don't care about HIPAA-

-Center Austin Barron suffered a fractured arm on the second offensive series of the game Saturday and is out indefinitely.
-FSU coach Jimbo Fisher hopes Greene, a senior, will be available based on his early progress. Greene did not play in the second half of last weekend's 43-3 win against Wake Forest after sustaining a concussion late in the second quarter, which made him dizzy and caused him to vomit at halftime.
-Fisher said Greene, who is four catches shy of becoming the school's career receptions leader, is progressing better than Mario Edwards Jr. and Mario Pender, who both missed the NC State game after suffering concussions in the prior game. Defensive back Trey Marshall, who missed the Wake Forest game, is still dealing with symptoms from a concussion.
-Backup quarterback Sean Maguire injured a bone in his hand in mop-up duty against Wake Forest and could be out for "a week or two," Fisher said.
-Backup defensive tackle Demarcus Christmas will miss Saturday's game after suffering a high ankle sprain against Wake Forest.
-Defensive tackle Nile Lawrence-Stample was lost for the season in September with a torn pectoral, and the Seminoles are thin at the position.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...-players-injured-no-1-florida-state-seminoles

 

[whaler11]

Florida State is so criminal they don't care about HIPAA-

-Center Austin Barron suffered a fractured arm on the second offensive series of the game Saturday and is out indefinitely.
-FSU coach Jimbo Fisher hopes Greene, a senior, will be available based on his early progress. Greene did not play in the second half of last weekend's 43-3 win against Wake Forest after sustaining a concussion late in the second quarter, which made him dizzy and caused him to vomit at halftime.
-Fisher said Greene, who is four catches shy of becoming the school's career receptions leader, is progressing better than Mario Edwards Jr. and Mario Pender, who both missed the NC State game after suffering concussions in the prior game. Defensive back Trey Marshall, who missed the Wake Forest game, is still dealing with symptoms from a concussion.
-Backup quarterback Sean Maguire injured a bone in his hand in mop-up duty against Wake Forest and could be out for "a week or two," Fisher said.
-Backup defensive tackle Demarcus Christmas will miss Saturday's game after suffering a high ankle sprain against Wake Forest.
-Defensive tackle Nile Lawrence-Stample was lost for the season in September with a torn pectoral, and the Seminoles are thin at the position.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...-players-injured-no-1-florida-state-seminoles

You can sign away your right to privacy and allow them to share it.

 

[Bonehead]

Bonehead, your view of what the media should be is an idealized view. Not like that in real life. Nobody is paying media people to come to the Boneyard.

No - you missed my point - not pay media to come to BY - if they get 'blacklisted' by UConn FB for asking follow up questions they can come to the BY - and the BY masses would march in their defense.

 

[Bonehead]

You can sign away your right to privacy and allow them to share it.

So you know that all Florida State FB team members signed away their right to privacy and all UConn FB players refused - or are you just guessing?

 

[whaler11]

So you know that all Florida State FB team members signed away their right to privacy and all UConn FB players refused - or are you just guessing?

I would guess that Florida State had the players sign and that UConn isn't interested in sharing the information so they don't ask.

 

[Husky25]

Well if Florida State does it, then I guess it's okay.

You know, You're right. I was in the jury pool for a criminal case involving s3xual assault (I wasn't picked). During the Voir Dire process, the defense hinted that their defense was centered on precedent. If Jameis Winston was let off the hook, so should their client.

 

[Bonehead]

Well if Florida State does it, then I guess it's okay.

If a Big Time program isnt afraid to hide their booboos and not breaking HIPAA laws why are we doing it - competitive advantage?

 

[Bonehead]

Well if Florida State does it, then I guess it's okay.

You know, You're right. I was in the jury pool for a criminal case involving s3xual assault (I wasn't picked). During the Voir Dire process, the defense hinted that their defense was centered on precedent. If Jameis Winston was let off the hook, so should their client.

I am talking about reporting injuries...

Nice view though! I actually am in the camp of NOT recruiting shady recruits where others would say we have to do that to be big time FB program. Lets stay on reporting injuries - you are moving the goal posts on this convo!

 

[Bonehead]

Bottom line is that if Boyle still has uncomfortable lower leg pain, he can't be trusted to be effective.

Then why even put him on the field in game conditions?

 

[whaler11]

If a Big Time program isnt afraid to hide their booboos and not breaking HIPAA laws why are we doing it - competitive advantage?

Just a guess but it's probably a decision made at a higher level than the football program. As an athletic department whatever lawyer though about it told them it was the direction to go in.

 

[joey3$trike$]

Interesting thoughts on the qb situation which might explain why Boyle isn't playing more. I was listening to Boomer Esiason on his radio show yesterday morning and he was talking about Geno Smith and his struggles and relating to when he played with the Jets. Maybe Boyle's problem and Whitmer for that matter is communicating with the o-line.
Here's some quotes from Boomer on NJ.com
On Monday morning's "Boomer & Carton," Esiason spoke about Smith's poise by looking back at his own situation when he joined the Jets in 1993: When quarterback Browning Nagle played, he remembered the offensive line struggled, while Jeff Criswell and Dave Cadigan (aka "the Penalty Pals") took holding calls because of the QB "had no clue how to run an offense...at the line of scrimmage."

"When you hang your offensive lineman out to dry out there without being a good communicator," he continued, "being loud so they can hear you, knowing what snap count it's on, that there's no indecision on the offensive line, then they can play a much cleaner game."

Esiason noted when he arrived, the penalties and sacks went down -- he also used the Bills recent quarterback change (from E.J. Manuel to veteran Kyle Orton) as an example of how a switch can ignite a team.

He later called Smith "detached," too, just to pile on the second-year QB further.

Maybe Boyle has no clue how to run a college offense, including the lack of experience with the o-line its a catostrophe. As to Whitmer I think i remember some posters saying that he was detached from the team on the sidelines with his attitude in some games. Plus maybe he's a bad communicator, I'm not sure if their allowed to call audibles like in the pro's but all the penalties and missed blocks might not all be on the o-line. There's a reason why Cochran was the starter, maybe his intangibles was communicating with the o-line and their might be a reason why he is a coach in waiting. Just a thought, that i never considered.

 

[Bonehead]

Just a guess but it's probably a decision made at a higher level than the football program. As an athletic department whatever lawyer though about it told them it was the direction to go in.

Fair enough - I dont buy it but we all arent ever going to agree on the BoneYard.

 

[junglehusky]

It sounds like one of the media asked Boyle about his injury (via runway blog) :

He (Diaco) also said he'd like to continue to use multiple quarterbacks but how much he utilizes sophomore backup Tim Boyle will be determined by how he is feeling.

"Nothing too crazy," Boyle said of his lower-leg discomfort, "I am physically able to go but just some discomfort here and there.

"I'm very anxious, this discomfort has been there for a little bit. I am fighting through it, doing rehab. I can't wait to feel 100 percent and excited to get out there."

Still vague... Perhaps it's more tightness or soreness that prevents him from being as mobile or just performing as normal. Tendinitis (discussed earlier) also sounds like a good guess.

 

[Husky25]

If a Big Time program isnt afraid to hide their booboos and not breaking HIPAA laws why are we doing it - competitive advantage?

I am talking about reporting injuries...

Nice view though! I actually am in the camp of NOT recruiting shady recruits where others would say we have to do that to be big time FB program. Lets stay on reporting injuries - you are moving the goal posts on this convo!

I really don't think using Florida State as a model for how things are done is one of your better ideas. It's a personal decision and it appears that Diaco doesn't want to go even remotely close to the line. If it's a bad injury, fans have heard it. Boyle is week to week with a leg.

I'd like to see Boyle play more too. Whitmer doesn't bring anything to the table, but apparently he is more effective than Boyle right now. Once Boyle is healthy, he'll play. It's as if you've never heard coachspeak before. Move on.

Then why even put him on the field in game conditions?

Calvin Johnson didn't practice before week 4, he was a decoy during the game. He was limited in practice before game 5 and not very effective. A few years ago, Hakeem Nicks practiced a handful of times during a 17 week season but played in all the games. Game conditions are sometimes less strenuous than practice drills. Do you know if Boyle is practicing? Is he limited? I don't know. Perhaps Saturdays is the only time he gets his adrenaline flowing to truly test it out.

My guess (and I'm on the record) is that he has turf toe, tendinitis, or a contusion. Something that won't get any worse, but where the pain has to be managed. Boyle is not injured, but he is hurt and the pain is making him less effective than Whitmer.

 

[Bonehead]

I really don't think using Florida State as a model for how things are done is one of your better ideas. It's a personal decision and it appears that Diaco doesn't want to go even remotely close to the line. If it's a bad injury, fans have heard it. Boyle is week to week with a leg.

I'd like to see Boyle play more too. Whitmer doesn't bring anything to the table, but apparently he is more effective than Boyle right now. Once Boyle is healthy, he'll play. It's as if you've never heard coachspeak before. Move on.


Calvin Johnson didn't practice before week 4, he was a decoy during the game. He was limited in practice before game 5 and not very effective. A few years ago, Hakeem Nicks practiced a handful of times during a 17 week season but played in all the games. Game conditions are sometimes less strenuous than practice drills. Do you know if Boyle is practicing? Is he limited? I don't know. Perhaps Saturdays is the only time he gets his adrenaline flowing to truly test it out.

My guess (and I'm on the record) is that he has turf toe, tendinitis, or a contusion. Something that won't get any worse, but where the pain has to be managed. Boyle is not injured, but he is hurt and the pain is making him less effective than Whitmer.

I have heard coachspeak before - just come out and say he has turf toe - what is the big F*&^ing deal in giving out the information - 'Tim Boyle has pain from tendinitis in his left knee' as an example.

You want me to use Alabama as a model? Yale? (ill have to search if you say yes )


OXFORD, Miss. — In addition to taking its first loss of the season, the University of Alabama’s 23-17 game at Ole Miss was also costly in terms of personnel on Saturday.
Junior running back Kenyan Drake endured a horrific broken leg, junior linebacker Denzel Devall left with a high ankle sprain, and junior center Ryan Kelly sustained a sprained knee.
“We took him to Birmingham already,” Saban said about Drake. “He’ll probably need surgery. We don’t know exactly how long that deal will keep him out, most of the season if not all the season.”

They didnt say "Junior running back Kenyan Drake endured a horrific lower body injury, junior linebacker Denzel Devall left with a lower body pain, and junior center Ryan Kelly sustained a lower body booboo.

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/alabama-injury-report-drake-broke-leg-two-others/

Coach speak from one of the best - doesnt feel the need to control every ounce of information, they all must have signed the HIPAA waiver and he is successful. Ill move on at your request - but it might suit Bob to be more concerned with coaching and X's and O's then getting caught up in what information is deciminated about injuries. Dont let the small stuff get in the way of the big stuff.

Moving on.

 

[FAIRTIDES]

Fair enough - I dont buy it but we all arent ever going to agree on the BoneYard.

I've got one problem with this idea of a fearful media. The media that covers RD is essentially the same crew, representing the same outlets, that went toe-to-toe with JC. It's hard for me to believe that this pack of vultures is suddenly afraid of a rookie FB coach with a 1-and-4 record. The media looks for reasons to develop contentious relationships. The media thrives on the adversarial and makes it tomorrow's Headlines. If our, ever-on-the-alert-for-the-next-let's-screw-UCONN-story, media had a bone to pick with RD, they'd pick it; in 25PT bold-face.

 

[Husky25]

Coach speak from one of the best -

No, Sir. This is coach speak from one of the best.

Q: How close was Rob Gronkowski to playing yesterday?

BB: I don’t know. He was inactive.

Q: Did he have a shot to play?

BB: He was inactive.

Q: Going into the day, was there a chance he’d play?

BB: He was inactive for the game.

Q: What about Danny Amendola?

BB: He was inactive too.

Q: I know they were inactive.

BB: They were inactive so they didn’t play.

Q: I think you have an idea how close they were.

BB: Well, they weren’t able to play. What do you want, percentage points? They couldn’t play.

Q: Going into the day, did you know they couldn’t play?

BB: They were inactive.

Q: That doesn’t answer my question.

BB: They were inactive, it’s as simple as that.

 

[Dogged]

No - you missed my point - not pay media to come to BY - if they get 'blacklisted' by UConn FB for asking follow up questions they can come to the BY - and the BY masses would march in their defense.

I give. My point was that you are speaking of the media in an idealized way.

 

[Waquoit]

IStill vague... Perhaps it's more tightness or soreness that prevents him from being as mobile or just performing as normal. Tendinitis (discussed earlier) also sounds like a good guess.

Reminds of one of the themes that ran through Ball Four, "It's not sore, it's just a little stiff." Do we have a diathermy machine?

 

[J187Money]

I'd be happy if we got BB type answers. At least I could ignore them. We get chapwilvaug speech.

 

[BNich]

Then why even put him on the field in game conditions?

Why listen to anything you have to say?

 

[BNich]

Interesting thoughts on the qb situation which might explain why Boyle isn't playing more. I was listening to Boomer Esiason on his radio show yesterday morning and he was talking about Geno Smith and his struggles and relating to when he played with the Jets. Maybe Boyle's problem and Whitmer for that matter is communicating with the o-line.
Here's some quotes from Boomer on NJ.com
On Monday morning's "Boomer & Carton," Esiason spoke about Smith's poise by looking back at his own situation when he joined the Jets in 1993: When quarterback Browning Nagle played, he remembered the offensive line struggled, while Jeff Criswell and Dave Cadigan (aka "the Penalty Pals") took holding calls because of the QB "had no clue how to run an offense...at the line of scrimmage."

.

Don't forget the overall talent level differential between D1 and NFL.

 

[Bonehead]

Why listen to anything you have to say?

Use your technology - ignore feature.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

If a Big Time program isnt afraid to hide their booboos and not breaking HIPAA laws why are we doing it - competitive advantage?

My guess is that the leadership (from school president on down) of our university has a slightly different philosophy than their counterparts at FSU.

 

[Bonehead]

My guess is that the leadership (from school president on down) of our university has a slightly different philosophy than their counterparts at FSU.

And Alabama -


I guess their philosophy was different than Louisvilles when it came to conference realignment also. Our leadership philosophy could be questioned on a couple of fronts besides reporting injuries.

You can drink the cool aid on this one - I am going to spit it out.