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Make it huge. Break into 4 Pods (regionally), have two semi finals and a conference final (I know this will require rules changes from the NCAA). Try to lure in any attractive school outside the Power 5. See if the TV money is worthwhile, try to get that additional BCS bid.

If the money was worthwhile, you can cherry pick the best teams from all the conferences not in the power 5, because all those leagues are tied into TV deals that pay peanuts. Maybe Mike Aresco is the guy to pull this off, with his TV contacts.

Alot of content there for a network looking for content. Plenty of teams to fill out schedules. At least kick the tires on out of the box ideas, because sitting back hoping and praying is a recipe for disaster.
 
UConnDan97 said:
What the hell are you saying "good grief" for??? I'm keeping an open mind. I haven't poo-poo'd the idea. You're the one selling it from a mountain top! I'm still trying to digest the concept...
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Come one Dude. You expect a fully developed scenario and this thing is maybe less than 36 hours old? Why do I think this could be the best attainable outcome?

For starters.

It's not the Big East. Full Stop.
 
upstater said:
I take 50% chance of the ACC.

You really think the ACC has a 80% chance of staying together over the next 5 years?
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We are always at risk of getting passed up again. BC will always block us, as will Miami. You can now add Syracuse to that mix. You have to realize, mother fuggers are trying to freeze us out.
 
businesslawyer said:
I don't understand all the talk about NCAA credits and exit fees. They are one time revenues. Yes, you would rather have them than not have them but they are totally, totally irrelevant to the long term success of our athletic programs compared to who our conference mates are.
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But at present they are approximately $180,000,000. You don't pass up your share of that to form a conference that frankly, sucks and doesn't solve any of your problems.
 
ZooCougar said:
Come one Dude. You expect a fully developed scenario and this thing is maybe less than 36 hours old? Why do I think this could be the best attainable outcome?

For starters.

It's not the Big East. Full Stop.
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I don't expect the idea to be fully developed, which is the main reason why I'm not trying to sell it!

I like the idea of UConn finding out what kind of deals might be out there from groups like NBCSports, etc., and what kind of value we may be able to extract from the marketplace. I'm VERY happy about the fact that the two school symbols that the article chose to use to headline the article were UConn's and Cincy's, rather than USF's or someone else. It means that on a national level, people still recognize that we are the ones who drive the value! UConn has to weigh all its options, and I hope that the administration is hard at work doing just that.

But I'll wait to make a judgment on the idea until I see the details....the place where the devil often resides....
 
Break down the situation.

1) Once the Catholic 7 notify the Big East they are leaving, the only voting members are USF, UConn, Cincinnati and maybe Temple (the "Football 4"), until July 1. Those 4 can do whatever they want after that in terms of revising bylaws, including exit fees. They also get to keep everyone else's exit fees. While there is some case law supporting a claim by the departing schools to get their exit fees back, a lawsuit is unlikely because of the threat of a countersuit by the Football 4.

2) Tell Tulane that they are sorry it didn't work out, but Tulane is no longer invited. Tulane may justifiably sue, so the Football 4 may have to dissolve the league rather than rescind Tulane's invitation.

3) Form the league they want with the best of the rest. There are NO legacy attachments. Goodbye Tulane. ECU, you are on the cusp, but will probably make the cut.

4) Sign a GOR contingent on a minimum revenue threshold. If the NNL (New New League) generates $10MM per school, then the GOR is in effect. If it generates $4MM per school, everyone is free to trade. A network, particularly NBC, will want some level of commitment, but this will also force NBC to make a meaningful financial commitment of their own. Ignore the ESPN and CBS articles. An all sports league with the schools on the docket will still get a meaningful payday. Rutgers and Louisville were not THAT valuable that their loss will cost the Big East half its revenue.

5) I would go big. If this is going to be an all sports league, I would go to at least 14, and maybe 16.

6) I would also make this performance based in terms of revenue split. The schools that win and generate TV appearances get a disproportionate share of the revenue.

7) the GOR is important because it will force action by the ACC or Big 10. Remember how they said "UConn will always be available". Well, we need to change that situation. If the ACC sees that UConn and Cincinnati are about to sign a GOR, it will force action on their part.
 
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UConnDan97 said:
I assumed, based on your post, that you envisioned the C-USA as a threat to the NBE in its current form. That's what I was responding to. In our current form, the C-USA is dead...
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The conference idea mentioned suggested jettisoning ECU, SMU, and Houston. I think we should take them, and go to 16 or 18.
East
  1. UConn
  2. Cincy
  3. ECU
  4. Temple
  5. USF
  6. UCF
  7. Memphis
  8. Tulane
  9. Tulsa
West
  1. Houston
  2. SMU
  3. SDSU
  4. Boise
  5. Nevada
  6. UNLV
  7. New Mexico
  8. Fresno St.
  9. San Jose St/Utah St.
That's not terrible travel for the western schools. Most of them have had recent success in football. They make sense. And we play one (or none) a year in football, two in basketball. We meet in the championship game or the tournament.
That conference has the best non-BCS teams. It has some semblance, in each division, of geographical consistency. Each division wouldn't be terrible in basketball either.
The end.

edit: I'm too lazy to look it up, but I bet I missed a team currently attached to the BE.
 
noeynox said:
We are always at risk of getting passed up again. BC will always block us, as will Miami. You can now add Syracuse to that mix. You have to realize, mother fuggers are trying to freeze us out.
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Exactly. Most of us here are naive. UConn has always identified with underdogs and assumed that our competitors were interested in nurturing and promoting us. It's the other way around, and they hold grudges.
 
tzznandrew said:
The conference idea mentioned suggested jettisoning ECU, SMU, and Houston. I think we should take them, and go to 16 or 18.
East
  1. UConn
  2. Cincy
  3. ECU
  4. Temple
  5. USF
  6. UCF
  7. Memphis
  8. Tulane
  9. Tulsa
West
  1. Houston
  2. SMU
  3. SDSU
  4. Boise
  5. Nevada
  6. UNLV
  7. New Mexico
  8. Fresno St.
  9. San Jose St/Utah St.
That's not terrible travel for the western schools. Most of them have had recent success in football. They make sense. And we play one (or none) a year in football, two in basketball. We meet in the championship game or the tournament.
That conference has the best non-BCS teams. It has some semblance, in each division, of geographical consistency. Each division wouldn't be terrible in basketball either.
The end.

edit: I'm too lazy to look it up, but I bet I missed a team currently attached to the BE.
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I like this. I'd even consider going as big as 24, and breaking down into Pods of six. Perhaps target a school like Ohio, out of the MAC, LA Tech wherever they play, Wyoming, Nevada? I don't know. Like I said outside the box.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
7) the GOR is important because it will force action by the ACC or Big 10. Remember how they said "UConn will always be available". Well, we need to change that situation. If the ACC sees that UConn and Cincinnati are about to sign a GOR, it will force action on their part.
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You're not the first person to say this. But I wish you and everyone else who is thinking like this were working the AD right now.

This is great thinking because we are changing the landscape instead of being subjected to it.
 
tzznandrew said:
The conference idea mentioned suggested jettisoning ECU, SMU, and Houston. I think we should take them, and go to 16 or 18.
East
  1. UConn
  2. Cincy
  3. ECU
  4. Temple
  5. USF
  6. UCF
  7. Memphis
  8. Tulane
  9. Tulsa
West
  1. Houston
  2. SMU
  3. SDSU
  4. Boise
  5. Nevada
  6. UNLV
  7. New Mexico
  8. Fresno St.
  9. San Jose St/Utah St.
That's not terrible travel for the western schools. Most of them have had recent success in football. They make sense. And we play one (or none) a year in football, two in basketball. We meet in the championship game or the tournament.
That conference has the best non-BCS teams. It has some semblance, in each division, of geographical consistency. Each division wouldn't be terrible in basketball either.
The end.

edit: I'm too lazy to look it up, but I bet I missed a team currently attached to the BE.
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I think the proposal from the Decourcy article anticipated cutting Tulane loose, which is the right decision although a nasty thing to do to that school. Tulsa is a tiny school that has had a few good coaches but has a lot working against it. I don't think we need both Nevada and UNLV, and Chris Ault is in his late 60's, making that decision a little easier. I like SJSU and USU conceptually because they are in big markets and have had some recent success, but there is competition in both markets and for most of their history, they have sucked. That gets the league back to 14, and then tell UMass they will be added if BYU ever joins.
 
If this has any traction whatsoever, you keep it as small as possible. When the ACC eventually breaks up, then there will be several schools looking for a football home. The ACC won't cut it. They'll be looking to join this MWC/BE thingie. UVa. and GT to B1G, FSU, Clemson, Miami, Ville, Pitt and VT to B12, NC St. and UNC to SEC. At that point, Cuse, BC, Duke and Wake will be left without a boat. They'll want into the MWC/BE. Screw'em. Let them die. ND will place their Olympic sports with the CYO conference. After that, the Pac12 will raid the Big12 for Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Texas and Okie St. The Big12 will then raid the MWC/BE for Boise St., New Mexico, BYU and Air Force, then the MWC/BE will split, the Eastern schools adding Cuse, BC, Duke and Wake Forest, then the NFL will create a semi-pro league and cable will go ala carte and Mark Emmert will be hauled off to jail for embezzlement.
 
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noeynox said:
I like this. I'd even consider going as big as 24, and breaking down into Pods of six. Perhaps target a school like Ohio, out of the MAC, LA Tech wherever they play, Wyoming, Nevada? I don't know. Like I said outside the box.
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You can't go that big, too much pie to split up. Nobody will be paying $10 million for Tulane and the other dreck. You need to stick with teams that have value.
 
The Funster said:
You know what? I'd do it. At some point, we have to accept that we either have to sit around and wait or take control of our own destiny.
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I think that's aiming a little low. I think that option will always be there. I'd rather be in a crappier version of the ACC than that proposed conference.
 
nomar said:
I think that's aiming a little low. I think that option will always be there. I'd rather be in a crappier version of the ACC than that proposed conference.
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And what if the ACC doesn't invite us for 2, 3, 4 years?
 
ZooCougar said:
You're not the first person to say this. But I wish you and everyone else who is thinking like this were working the AD right now.

This is great thinking because we are changing the landscape instead of being subjected to it.
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The problem with this thinking is it doesn't threaten anyone but Louisville, Syracuse, Wake Forest, BC, and Pitt, and only 1 of those schools (BC) has a say in the matter. Every other school knows it has a landing spot if members of the ACC take off. they can care less about UConn. Only those 5 schools should be concerned with their futures, and about possible new adds to their conference should schools depart.

The others don't care if we're UConn or S. Conn. St.

Even worse, BC and Cuse would probably prefer adding Delaware because they never anticipated UConn shooting up so quickly in football.
 
The Funster said:
And what if the ACC doesn't invite us for 2, 3, 4 years?
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Eventually, yeah, you'd need to cut bait. But I'd be shocked if the landscape doesn't change dramatically in the next 1-2 years. I would *not* want to get locked into a non-BCS conference right now. I agree the "Big East" or whatever it is worst-case situation, long-term. But we're not going to be in it long-term. The real worst case scenario is being in a grab bag with Houston and New Mexico. I just think that will always be there for us. We're not looking too handsome right now but there are a LOT of ugly girls who would still bang us.
 
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The only thing I know is that hoping for an ACC invite is a losing proposition for us. We have an athletic department, in a decent market, that spends money, that generates revenue, that has had success on a national level, a school with good to great academics and rising and the ACC has found one reason after another to pass on us.

That isn't a coincidence or a "perfect storm".
 
noeynox said:
The only thing I know is that hoping for an ACC invite is a losing proposition for us. We have an athletic department, in a decent market, that spends money, that generates revenue, that has had success on a national level, a school with good to great academics and rising and the ACC has found one reason after another to pass on us.

That isn't a coincidence or a "perfect storm".
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Exactly.

Still seeing alot of people making assumptions that this thing or that thing will happen for us, as if it is inevitable.

It's not .
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Break down the situation.

1) Once the Catholic 7 notify the Big East they are leaving, the only voting members are USF, UConn, Cincinnati and maybe Temple (the "Football 4"), until July 1. Those 4 can do whatever they want after that in terms of revising bylaws, including exit fees. They also get to keep everyone else's exit fees. While there is some case law supporting a claim by the departing schools to get their exit fees back, a lawsuit is unlikely because of the threat of a countersuit by the Football 4.

2) Tell Tulane that they are sorry it didn't work out, but Tulane is no longer invited. Tulane may justifiably sue, so the Football 4 may have to dissolve the league rather than rescind Tulane's invitation.

3) Form the league they want with the best of the rest. There are NO legacy attachments. Goodbye Tulane. ECU, you are on the cusp, but will probably make the cut.

4) Sign a GOR contingent on a minimum revenue threshold. If the NNL (New New League) generates $10MM per school, then the GOR is in effect. If it generates $4MM per school, everyone is free to trade. A network, particularly NBC, will want some level of commitment, but this will also force NBC to make a meaningful financial commitment of their own. Ignore the ESPN and CBS articles. An all sports league with the schools on the docket will still get a meaningful payday. Rutgers and Louisville were not THAT valuable that their loss will cost the Big East half its revenue.

5) I would go big. If this is going to be an all sports league, I would go to at least 14, and maybe 16.

6) I would also make this performance based in terms of revenue split. The schools that win and generate TV appearances get a disproportionate share of the revenue.

7) the GOR is important because it will force action by the ACC or Big 10. Remember how they said "UConn will always be available". Well, we need to change that situation. If the ACC sees that UConn and Cincinnati are about to sign a GOR, it will force action on their part.
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I like it and would add one more thing....

8) Be the first conference to pay a stipend to football players thus attracting talent. Have NBC pay the bill.
 
haw
fresno
sdsu
sj
bsu
idaho
wy
byu

cst
usu
unlv
unr
nm
nmst
tulsa

i don't understand why the west schools in todays climate don't band together for all sports. theres your 16. with bsu byu and a few others your relevant fball wise and are a player for multiple ranked teams a year. bball wise your a legit league. if u lose schools to the pac or elsewhere then u have other fish to pluck. u get texas schools or let the daks and monts upgrade.

i think eventually some president out west is going to hammer this out and get it done for all involved. have a nice size buyout that is agreed to on joining this and get a nbc deal for 4 or 5 mil a team. if there is a school or 2 like who doesn't want to play bball then zag and mary are there if needed. this should be what happens out west.
 
noeynox said:
The only thing I know is that hoping for an ACC invite is a losing proposition for us. We have an athletic department, in a decent market, that spends money, that generates revenue, that has had success on a national level, a school with good to great academics and rising and the ACC has found one reason after another to pass on us.

That isn't a coincidence or a "perfect storm".
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Agreed. I am so turned off by the ACC right now. They would be the fall back if and only if we can't get something worked out with B1G or even the B12. We got a lot to offer. Let's hope we are in secret discussion with the B1G being their #15 or #16 school.
 
I hope that Aresco has the sack to re-evaluate invites. There would be nothing wrong with a "do over". I mean, Tulane? Really?

Pick your core teams, see where BYU stands and explore other western possibilities. They'd have to be for all sports, too. No FB onlies.
 
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The Funster said:
I hope that Aresco has the sack to re-evaluate invites. There would be nothing wrong with a "do over". I mean, Tulane? Really?
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If I can be so bold as to go all "Conspiracy Kitty" for a moment:

I don't believe for one second that the basketball schools didn't vote in Tulane. We've already heard that UConn and Cincy abstained from the vote, and you would need a majority of the basketball schools to say yes anyways (if I understand the BE voting system). But I think it was a stroke of genius on their part! They clearly had already talked about leaving the conference (I heard a rumor the C-7 was discussing it for the last six months or so). But how could they be sure that UConn and Cincy would vote to disband the conference so that they could collect their shares of the NCAA credits, exit fees, and not have to pay an exit fee for themselves? Add yet another brutally bad team. Brutally bad.

Cincy and UConn won't want to stay with a Tulane. Hell, Boise and SDSU might not want to stay with a Tulane (especially when you throw Memphis in the pot). The result? The Sporting News report (seen below), saying UConn and Cincy considering starting a "new new new Big East of their own." Brilliant move by the C-7. Masterful. God damnit!!!

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...st-leaving-conference-realignment-connecticut
 
noeynox said:
We are always at risk of getting passed up again. BC will always block us, as will Miami. You can now add Syracuse to that mix. You have to realize, mother fuggers are trying to freeze us out.
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I'm not quite so sure on this, has it been reported why Cuse blocked UConn and would they continue to do so in the future? I read that they lobbied for Louisville over us, but it's unclear to me whether that means they would lobby/vote for someone else (Cincy) over UConn in the future. If Jim Boeheim has any pull (I guess he doesn't) you'd think Cuse would like having a traditional bball rival in their league. My feeling would be - explore this new league, but don't sign anything like a GOR until after Pitt/Cuse get voting rights and test the ACC waters again. At least see if the FSU instability is still there in a year.
 
junglehusky said:
I'm not quite so sure on this, has it been reported why Cuse blocked UConn and would they continue to do so in the future? I read that they lobbied for Louisville over us, but it's unclear to me whether that means they would lobby/vote for someone else (Cincy) over UConn in the future. If Jim Boeheim has any pull (I guess he doesn't) you'd think Cuse would like having a traditional bball rival in their league. My feeling would be - explore this new league, but don't sign anything like a GOR until after Pitt/Cuse get voting rights and test the ACC waters again. At least see if the FSU instability is still there in a year.
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This is where you need to turn off your inner John Locke and listen to your inner Thomas Hobbes.

Everyone knows that competition is healthy. But sometimes it's a smart move to eliminate a rival and give yourself more breathing room.

We are naive. Nobody is sitting around hoping to help us. They want us dead. If they can find a fill in and cut off our oxygen, they will do it.

When UConn moved up to FBS our fans were actually shocked that everyone didn't welcome us with open arms. It was the other way around.

We need to wake up.
 
It is clear from their fan bases that they resent losing to us on football. They partly blame their decline on having to compete for recruits against an additional school, in area of the country where impact recruits were limited to begin with. Like every thing else, if their administrations hear this enough they are going to want to see us knocked down a peg so it benefits them.

UConn would be wise to kick the tires on the big 12 , and offering them games in NYC regularly as a caveat.
 
noeynox said:
I like this. I'd even consider going as big as 24, and breaking down into Pods of six. Perhaps target a school like Ohio, out of the MAC, LA Tech wherever they play, Wyoming, Nevada? I don't know. Like I said outside the box.
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I'm too lazy too read the post as well.
There is no way you can have a league at this point without Boise... You missed them.
 
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