The Possibility We Were Bandying About...

[upstater]

Sigh.

Do really think the discussion has gone that far? If Cincy and UConn are masterminding this thing, why would we want a GOR?

You people make me want to take up smoking sometimes.

I thought we were discussing a hypothetic with a GOR.

 

[ZooCougar]

If the TV money is decent the schools will come without a GOR. The trick is convincing whatever network to do it, with the understanding that any school offered to join a "power 5" conference (I hate that friggin term, its such a demarcation line) has to take it. If the league pays 8 million a year, perhaps the departing team can pay that back as a GOR for a couple of years/lenght of GoR. It is time to think outside the box.

I agree. If there is anything to this story, and if the MWC schools mentioned are interested then it's the best news we've gotten in months or even years.

I can't believe there are still people who think we need to stick around and see how this Big East thing works out. Are you people stupid?

If this came to fruition, and it is a long shot it would involve all of the schools we actually gave two about playing in football plus the best of what is in the MWC.

It even looks appealing in terms of basketball.

 

[ZooCougar]

I wouldn't. I'd prefer the 50% chance of the ACC than an eternity married to the MWC.

This does not preclude the ACC.

 

[ZooCougar]

I thought we were discussing a hypothetic with a GOR.

We're not. You people need to remember that this is a blank sheet course of action. No way this conference happens with a GOR.

 

[UConnDan97]

I agree. If there is anything to this story, and if the MWC schools mentioned are interested then it's the best news we've gotten in months or even years.

I can't believe there are still people who think we need to stick around and see how this Big East thing works out. Are you people stupid?

If this came to fruition, and it is a long shot it would involve all of the schools we actually gave two ****s about playing in football plus the best of what is in the MWC.

It even looks appealing in terms of basketball.

The reason most here are debating it (since it isn't too much different for UConn from a football standpoint) is the three big letters....G...O...R. The question is whether or not you want to bluff other bigger conferences by saying, "We're locking ourselves up in a multi-year media contract that cannot be altered (up for debate)." That is one really ballsy game of chicken, my friend!

 

[The Funster]

16, 14 12. Set it up however it works best. The idea is that there is a chance that an East/West affiliated conference CAN work and work better than what the NNNNNNNNBE (post C7) is now.

In this case bigger is better because the goal is to provide content for someone other than ESPN, namely NBC. Bigger is also better for the travel expense asscociated with the O sports.

 

[ctchamps]

I agree. If there is anything to this story, and if the MWC schools mentioned are interested then it's the best news we've gotten in months or even years.

I can't believe there are still people who think we need to stick around and see how this Big East thing works out. Are you people stupid?

If this came to fruition, and it is a long shot it would involve all of the schools we actually gave two ****s about playing in football plus the best of what is in the MWC.

It even looks appealing in terms of basketball.

Not stupid. Just don't have a crystal ball. There are pitfalls with staying and pitfalls by playing the bluff! Both can backfire in UConn's face. Either choice is an AO slam dunk and not a Tim Duncan slam dunk!

 

[Dann]

lol at all of this. a couple months ago ppl wanted me dead over this kind of talk about the future. not so funny and stupid now hugh?

 

[The Funster]

Why not have a GOR? If I'm any other school other than Cincy or UConn, I'd want some kind of assurance that the two "founders" won't bolt. Negotiate a 6 year GOR. Have it roll over each year upon vote.

 

[businesslawyer]

They are not totally irrelevant to the long term success. They are a bridge that keeps the athletic department afloat on the 50/50 chance that the ACC loses members in the next 5 years. By granting your rights to this MWC thing for ten, you've effectively relegated your school to mid-major-dom not only for the next 10 years, but perhaps for as long as college sports are still played in the USA.

I don't believe we can stay relevant in a crap conference just because we have money to spend. It's not like we can give the money to the players. (At least I hope it's not like that).

 

[ZooCougar]

The reason most here are debating it (since it isn't too much different for UConn from a football standpoint) is the three big letters....G...O...R. The question is whether or not you want to bluff other bigger conferences by saying, "We're locking ourselves up in a multi-year media contract that cannot be altered (up for debate)." That is one really ballsy game of chicken, my friend!

Ok. I'll play.

Would you rather spend eternity in CUSA II and risk destroying the Athletic Department?

Or would you sign a 5-10 year GOR and spend up to a decade playing in sexy new conference with schools in the fastest growing regions in the US?

If I could guarantee you the sexy new conference would you really pass on that for a 80% chance of death and irrelevance or the slim chance of the ACC?

Are we really going to be that pathetic? I think you guys are being overly optimistic about the ACC.

We've been passed over at least twice. Maybe even three times? Show some pride! They don't want us.

 

[upstater]

We're not. You people need to remember that this is a blank sheet course of action. No way this conference happens with a GOR.

I was going off the opening posts.

 

[ZooCougar]

I don't believe we can stay relevant in a crap conference just because we have money to spend. It's not like we can give the money to the players. (At least I hope it's not like that).

I am in absolute violent agreement with you.

 

[Marty Jackson]

UConn
Cincy
USF
Memphis
Temple
ECU
UMass
UCF

Boise St.
SDSU
BYU
UNLV
New Mexico
SMU
Houston
Tulsa
7 reg season games against your division plus 2 crossover games for FB. Home and home against division plus 4 crossover games for BB. Other olympic sports can stay within division.

Advantage is that a logical spread across time zones equals more content for someone like NBC.

no umass. pull tulsa east, add fresno. would take nevada over new mexico. after that, not a bad league. basically the new farm system for the PAC12...

 

[upstater]

I don't believe we can stay relevant in a crap conference just because we have money to spend. It's not like we can give the money to the players. (At least I hope it's not like that).

Aren't we talking football here? What choice do we have? We already know what we're relegated to in football.

 

[The Funster]

lol at all of this. a couple months ago ppl wanted me dead over this kind of talk about the future. not so funny and stupid now hugh?

To be fair, you say a lot of stuff. Most of us still can't comprehend it in it's original form. And, FWIW Hugh is a name. It's spelled "huh"

 

[upstater]

Ok. I'll play.

Would you rather spend eternity in CUSA II and risk destroying the Athletic Department?

Or would you sign a 5-10 year GOR and spend up to a decade playing in sexy new conference with schools in the fastest growing regions in the US?

If I could guarantee you the sexy new conference would you really pass on that for a 80% chance of death and irrelevance or the slim chance of the ACC?

Are we really going to be that pathetic? I think you guys are being overly optimistic about the ACC.

We've been passed over at least twice. Maybe even three times? Show some ****ing pride! They don't want us.

I take 50% chance of the ACC.

You really think the ACC has a 80% chance of staying together over the next 5 years?

 

[ZooCougar]

I was going off the opening posts.

It's too soon to judge. This is something that needs to be considered. Now that I think about the GOR it may not even be a terrible idea.

In fact, if you assume that the ACC and the B1G will not happen. Then a GOR is total non-factor in my book.

 

[tzznandrew]

16, 14 12. Set it up however it works best. The idea is that there is a chance that an East/West affiliated conference CAN work and work better than what the NNNNNNNNBE (post C7) is now.

In this case bigger is better because the goal is to provide content for someone other than ESPN, namely NBC. Bigger is also better for the travel expense asscociated with the O sports.

Bigger is better here also because it finally kills off MWC and CUSA as threats. There were years (last) where people argued that CUSA was better at the top (due to good years by Houston and SMU). There were years where people argued that the MWC was better top to bottom. With all their best schools in the fold, we'll get that last bowl bid. And that's important.

 

[upstater]

It's too soon to judge. This is something that needs to be considered. Now that I think about the GOR it may not even be a terrible idea.

In fact, if you assume that the ACC and the B1G will not happen. Then a GOR is total non-factor in my book.

I agree with this.

B1G will not happen.

ACC is hanging on tenterhooks, unless the ESPN comes to the rescue with $$$, and if that happens, get out the shanks.

 

[UConnDan97]

Ok. I'll play.

Would you rather spend eternity in CUSA II and risk destroying the Athletic Department?

Or would you sign a 5-10 year GOR and spend up to a decade playing in sexy new conference with schools in the fastest growing regions in the US?

If I could guarantee you the sexy new conference would you really pass on that for a 80% chance of death and irrelevance or the slim chance of the ACC?

Are we really going to be that pathetic? I think you guys are being overly optimistic about the ACC.

We've been passed over at least twice. Maybe even three times? Show some ****ing pride! They don't want us.

Then I guess I'm just very confused as to the differences in the two groupings of schools. The article made it sound like the difference in schools would be minimal (i.e., losing Tulane and Houston for UNLV, etc.). Do we even know what the proposed final grouping of schools is? If we don't, why are you so confident it's the right move???

 

[ZooCougar]

Not stupid. Just don't have a crystal ball. There are pitfalls with staying and pitfalls by playing the bluff! Both can backfire in UConn's face. Either choice is an AO slam dunk and not a Tim Duncan slam dunk!

I hope it's not even a bluff. We should do this. If the worst case is this new conference, then it's better than the Big East.

 

[UConnDan97]

Bigger is better here also because it finally kills off MWC and CUSA as threats.

C-USA is dead already. You want to kill off the Mountain West? Just invite Fresno now, and they're dead, too...

 

[ZooCougar]

Then I guess I'm just very confused as to the differences in the two groupings of schools. The article made it sound like the difference in schools would be minimal (i.e., losing Tulane and Houston for UNLV, etc.). Do we even know what the proposed final grouping of schools is? If we don't, why are you so confident it's the right move???

No. Of course this thing isn't fully developed yet. Have some patience, maintain an open mind. Let this develop.

Good grief.

 

[tzznandrew]

C-USA is dead already. You want to kill off the Mountain West? Just invite Fresno now, and they're dead, too...

It's not really dead if we don't take Houston, SMU, and ECU. Houston was undefeated through most of last year. Keep them, they're dead dead.

 

[The Funster]

We set this up with two possibilities. Force one of the power 5 conferences to take us. If the CW is that "they'll be be there when we want them" then you take that option off the table for them. The fallback position is that we form a conference that at least helps our athletics from eroding and keeps us positioned for a future bid.

 

[ZooCougar]

I agree with this.

B1G will not happen.

ACC is hanging on tenterhooks, unless the ESPN comes to the rescue with $$$, and if that happens, get out the shanks.

Obviously this is in the earliest possible stage. So let's just exercise some patience.

 

[UConnDan97]

No. Of course this thing isn't fully developed yet. Have some patience, maintain an open mind. Let this develop.

Good grief.

What the hell are you saying "good grief" for??? I'm keeping an open mind. I haven't poo-poo'd the idea. You're the one selling it from a mountain top! I'm still trying to digest the concept...

 

[ZooCougar]

We set this up with two possibilities. Force one of the power 5 conferences to take us. If the CW is that "they'll be be there when we want them" then you take that option off the table. The fallback position is that we form a conference that at least helps our athletics from eroding and keeps us positioned for a future bid.

I am in violent agreement with you as well.

 

[UConnDan97]

It's not really dead if we don't take Houston, SMU, and ECU. Houston was undefeated through most of last year. Keep them, they're dead dead.

I assumed, based on your post, that you envisioned the C-USA as a threat to the NBE in its current form. That's what I was responding to. In our current form, the C-USA is dead...