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To answer the OP... objections from the town of Mansfield, obvious traffic limitations, and a desire for a centrally located stadium no doubt all played a part. I'd also search the Hartford Courant's website, as I'm sure they have a ton of articles that frame the debate.

Currently, there's not a lot to debate. The thought of foregoing a 10 year old stadium to invest what would ultimately be a billion in infrastructure improvements (between a stadium and traffic needs) is insane... hey, even I think about winning Powerball now and then but I don't give more than a minute or two of thought and then I move on. Not worth wasting my time and getting my hopes up.

That said if you ever found a way to privately finance the stadium - that would be worth a discussion.
 
The thought that "if we build it on campus we'll suddenly have Penn State levels of support to sit in traffic on 195 and 44" is pure fantasy talk. Both roads would need major, costly overhauls to support 60k plus on a Saturday.
 
25k students, how many faculty, staff, townspeople?

You are just too far removed to acknowledge the reality here on the ground. This same population doesn't come to basketball games at Gampel. Yet they will fill a football stadium 4-5 times bigger. It's just not realistic.
 
You are just too far removed to acknowledge the reality here on the ground. This same population doesn't come to basketball games at Gampel. Yet they will fill a football stadium 4-5 times bigger. It's just not realistic.

In the AAC? Correct. In the B1G? Absolutely. Games will be events.
 
it needs to be a state overhaul

roads:
-build super 7 from norwalk to danbury
-rt 25 from monroe to newtown
-384 needs to continue right down 44 to the cross with 195. 195 to 84 needs to be built up.
-44 from 195 cross all the way to providence needs to be built up. u could add in 44 north of hartford getting beefed up also.

towns and business
-195 in storrs needs to become a downtown post rd type deal. 4 lane, 25mph bars, eats, apts, bookstore and all that jazz. it needs to have a parade with the band 7 saturdays a year packed with ppl and be host to about 40ish nights a winter to post game partying between puck and bball. it needs to become the town life.
-mansfield, willimantic, coventry, tolland and bolton need to all be developed into little 40k population small towns. build that population on the back of hartford coming back to life bringing in big business and uconn sports being the entertainment draw.
-manchester over time will follow the above towns

facilities and sports:
-knock down the xl. build a big office building setup.
-knock down the rent. build a big trump tower there like in stamford. the name is nothing more than a name rights for flash...build the mall and more apts around it until a great community on that land. get the states money back what ever they are still owed if anything at that point.
-do not let another minor league sport into the state north of bridgeport. nothing. NH-Hart needs to be uconn only. current baseball teams stay until they move, then done with that.
-put some type of sport in stamford and thats it.
-build 60k stadium on campus. 15k bball arena for bball only. 5k puck barn. 3k baseball and 1k softball. other sports same deal.....
-with a 30kish uconn storrs population and a 200k immediate town surrounding population you now have the draw. the only show in town.
-stamford at 150k should be a goal, norwalk at 100k, bpt at 150k and clean it up. danbury at 85k and waterbury at 100k should be goals population wise to clean up and grow.

thats how you build a monster. its a lot fo $ and a lot more then some crap i just typed. but a go getter gets it. vision. leadership. planning. we lack it all. no balls.

imagine 7 football games a year 60k sold out. 195 packed. 20k students and 30 season tix 10k open tix. house rocking. 40ish home bballa nd puck gmes a year. constant draws. baseball being the only show in town gets crowds for saturday Dan Hurley's and how about tuesday night games? and so on.

its all possible. but this state needs to stop being puss ies and stop making crappy decisions.

yea i know, this is fantasy land. im just a drunk and i dont understand english.
 
OK, OK, but don't give me this roads can't take it BS. We've been over this. Worse roads with double the people are used elsewhere. Everyone who has driven off I-80 through Bellefonte can tell you this.
Looks to me that it is all highway, 99/220, until the Park Ave exit then you have less than 2.5 miles to the stadium.
 
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Looks to me that it is all highway, 99/220, until the Park Ave exit then you have less than 2.5 miles to the stadium.

99 was just built. What about the previous half-century?
 
The thought that "if we build it on campus we'll suddenly have Penn State levels of support to sit in traffic on 195 and 44" is pure fantasy talk. Both roads would need major, costly overhauls to support 60k plus on a Saturday.

It may be fantasy. But that's why the football program is denigrated by B1G fans.
It needs to happen. That's the point.

This is what Perkins and UConn wanted. They were right. The atmosphere from 15k screaming undergrads and another 10k townies plus 15k driving in over the course of the day and maybe another 5k coming the night before would have you up to 45k.

It would've been great, and that atmosphere might have contributed to more folk coming for the event, for the weekend, and for that matter, spending money in town, which would have spurred restaurants and the like. 20k people driving in/out at the exact same time? That won't work. But you create another atmosphere when you have it on campus.

Surely, the UConn people and Perkins from back then had been through all of this, had considered all of this, and they pushed hard for a campus stadium.
 
UCONN will shortly have fulfilled its obligation to the state of Connecticut and the Rent. Shortly means within the next decade.

Now is the time that UCONN should start a preliminary analysis of constructing an on campus stadium. The folks at Colorado State and UNLV are well along to doing what UConn should be doing.

In light of the plans to grow enrollment to 25k undergrads, at Storrs, from the current 17k enrollment, there exists a solid, energized basis to support such a study.

UCONN has the land that it needs. What is lacking is the $150 million to $250 million in private funds necessary.

Given that UCONN will need to have the hockey arena issue settled in three years, a campaign should be started now. It will be incredibly difficult, but not impossible. Such things as a study of the monetization of naming rights and a TCU-like donor suite pre-sale would provide a relatively quick way to have the fundraisers get out of the block running, to prove economic feasibility, and provide the inherent excitement and community that such an undertaking would foster.

You will find naysayers here that contend that the drive from different parts of the state make getting to Storrs an emotional and physical impossibility. This in one of the smallest states in the union.

Others will claim that there exist no way to build roads, interchanges and crossings. While road-building has existed for thousands of years in the rest of the society, the Connecticut border apparently is an impenetrable barrier to such notions.

Still others will cite riparian rights, apathy, and various other excuses as to why what countless others have done (and are doing) UCONN can not do.

Make no mistake, it is doable. It will require something that UCONN has been lacking for quite some time now, and that's leadership from stakeholders, be it the students, alums, donors,, and most important of all, the athletic department and UCONN administration.

I don't see how this could ever happen. Could you imagine the traffic snarl at the intersection of 195 and 44?

I might be wrong but if you look at most major stadiums - SC, Rose Bowl, Horse Shoe, Big House, the Swamp, keep going, all those stadiums are NEXT to a major interstate - like at most a mile away. Like Rentschler.

I've been to several Ducks games at Autzen in Eugene Oregon. It's next to a freeway. Takes 10 minutes to park near the stadium once you get off route 5 (the west coast equivalent of 95). I just don't see it happening unless someone forklifts the entire university to the 195 exit off 84.
 
We need $200 mn to build a 6-mile freeway from I-84 to the north end of campus, $400 mn to extend I-384 to the south end of campus, $200 mn for a state of the art 50k seat stadium, get 15k students and you may plausibly get 35k from the rest of the state attracted by tailgating and the college experience.
 
99 was just built. What about the previous half-century?
What about the previous century when they went by horse and buggy? What's your point? There are only a couple of miles of small roads to Beaver Stadium. The rest is interstate. Drive up to the next window please.
 
Dan man.... there is a difference between a vision and reality, is all. I'm with you that UConn needs to be much, MUCH more proactive. In a lot of areas. But not even 1/10th of what you typed is rooted in reality.

Put the same energy in how to improve the experience at the Rent, like that train thread. That's much more realistic. We can be big time there if we start f@*$%n winning.
 
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I don't see how this could ever happen. Could you imagine the traffic snarl at the intersection of 195 and 44?

I might be wrong but if you look at most major stadiums - SC, Rose Bowl, Horse Shoe, Big House, the Swamp, keep going, all those stadiums are NEXT to a major interstate - like at most a mile away. Like Rentschler.

I've been to several Ducks games at Autzen in Eugene Oregon. It's next to a freeway. Takes 10 minutes to park near the stadium once you get off route 5 (the west coast equivalent of 95). I just don't see it happening unless someone forklifts the entire university to the 195 exit off 84.

What is SC? State College? I already answered that. It was 15 miles away of tiny one lane roads and through a Colonial burg that hasn't changed since the Huguenots founded it.

I lived in Ann Arbor too. My friend who bought a home that first year woke up at 7 am to find 40 cars parked on his grass lawn (front and back yard) with people frying eggs and bacon by their cars. They smacked $50 each into his hands and then told him the history of the house going back 30 years.
 
What about the previous century when they went by horse and buggy? What's your point? There are only a couple of miles of small roads to Beaver Stadium. The rest is interstate. Drive up to the next window please.

If you don't understand my point, you need some sleep.

110,000 packed that stadium before 99 was built. Before 99 was built, the interstate was 15 miles away.

I think everyone else understood my point except for you.
 
Mansfield had nothing to do with it. The on-campus stadium was a victim of state politics. It was practically a done deal, but it was an election year, and the challenging candidate for governor questioned building the stadium, and with that any member of her party that previously supported it flipped, and the idea died. I think most people have no idea how close it was to happening. But the stadium would have been even more bare bones than the Rent, and it would have seated about 32,000.
 
I didn't mean to open Pandora's box with this I just wanted to know the story behind it. I will search through the Hartford Courant archives to see what I can find.

As for my future goals in life, it is my hope to one day be one of the big time influential donors to the athletics dept. and convince the other high roller donors that this is something that needs to be done. If you get the big donors in support of it, threatening to stop donating if it doesn't happen, it has more of a chance than people would think IMO.
 
I didn't mean to open Pandora's box with this I just wanted to know the story behind it. I will search through the Hartford Courant archives to see what I can find.

As for my future goals in life, it is my hope to one day be one of the big time influential donors to the athletics dept. and convince the other high roller donors that this is something that needs to be done. If you get the big donors in support of it, threatening to stop donating if it doesn't happen, it has more of a chance than people would think IMO.


Drew, this link gives you what you need to know.
 
Well the Courant charges for their archived articles so I guess that won't be happening. Frustrating to say the least.
 
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Drew, this link gives you what you need to know.
thank you excalibur, I hope before I die to see a football stadium in Storrs with stores and restaurants and shops and apartments surrounding the area. I could see Storrs becoming a lot like Athens, GA. Makes me sick that this whole thing ended up falling apart for essentially no reason.
 
I didn't mean to open Pandora's box with this I just wanted to know the story behind it. I will search through the Hartford Courant archives to see what I can find.

As for my future goals in life, it is my hope to one day be one of the big time influential donors to the athletics dept. and convince the other high roller donors that this is something that needs to be done. If you get the big donors in support of it, threatening to stop donating if it doesn't happen, it has more of a chance than people would think IMO.

You don't get the dynamic. UConn doesn't have the juice.
 
Yeah UConn is in the AAC.

I get it that our fans want UConn to be in a better conference, but the board in general is getting tough to read with B1G/ACC dream scenarios. Everything "is a sign" or "evidence" that UConn and the B1G "are talking".
 
Dan man.... there is a difference between a vision and reality, is all. I'm with you that UConn needs to be much, MUCH more proactive. In a lot of areas. But not even 1/10th of what you typed is rooted in reality.

Put the same energy in how to improve the experience at the Rent, like that train thread. That's much more realistic. We can be big time there if we start f@ $%n winning.


then fold up the program. why do we play football? profit? brand? what is it? for fun?
 
You don't get the dynamic. UConn doesn't have the juice.

i think the Storrs Center project shows that locals and the University can agree enough to get something done (although I understand building a football stadium is different than a downtown). Having an oncampus stadium with no amenities is an awful idea, but why have people not thought about this as an idea?

1. Build the stadium on horsebarn hill
2. Create an alternate entrance to UConn/The stadium via the area behind the hill. Have the exit be specifically for UConn/The football stadium. Having two exits off the highway helps alleviate traffic on the way in.
3. Extend "W" lot (near the greek village) and open it up to season ticket holders as a parking option on saturdays in the fall, use it as general parking the rest of the year.
4. continue to build larger parking lots that can accommodate a large number of people. there is an abundant need for parking in Storrs, and building these parking lots helps to solve that problem. build them all around different parts of the campus so that there are essentially three entrances instead of one. I believe UConn also recently purchased Farmer Brown's property, which should help current students park.
5. Have the UConn busses run constantly from these parking lots to the stadium every 10/15 minutes starting three hours or so before the game. Fans can utilize these busses to go to the downtown Storrs Center or get to the stadium early and watch warmups. This way you don't have the congestion in the middle of campus with cars but people can easily access the area by foot and by bus. As far as I know there are already 4 entrances to the campus, and this would be the best option as trying to have people park and drive through the middle of campus would be hectic and would not work.


Problems regarding the stadium being on campus:

1. There ABSOLUTELY needs to be a hotel in or near enough to Storrs for the opposing teams to stay in. This actually needs to happen asap irregardless of the football stadium situation. Offering the Nathan Hale Inn just isn't going to work. Doesn't need to be an over the top nice place, a simple Holiday Inn with 500 or so rooms would do just fine.

2. The transportation issue is tough yes, but if you're building a 32,000 seat stadium (what the stadium capacity was going to be had we built it in Storrs the first go round) and you're more than likely getting anywhere from 20-28k per game depending on the opponent, its not impossible to get around by using the parking lot/bus idea. People have found ways to get many more humans into more difficult areas.

3. This stadium couldn't/wouldn't be built for at least another 20 years. Nobody is going to just "give up" on the Rent after 10/15 years. Once its time to talk about renovations and expanding, then it makes sense to look into an on-campus option.

4. It's a political death trap for anyone in office who brings it up. It is truly a shame however that with the billions of dollars being pumped into UConn some of that couldn't be used for an on campus stadium.



One other thing that bothers me is when people say we need to "build a fan base". Does nobody understand that you don't build a fan base through 45/50 year olds? While the university should continue to market to them and do everything in their power to have them bring their families to game, a fan base should be built through connecting with the current students who are on the campus, creating jobs/living situations that are attractive to current students near the campus (have any of you seen the current housing situation in and around Storrs? There needs to be some life pumped into a lot of these properties badly) and making the games affordable to the recent/young graduates so they keep coming and ultimately bring their families to the games one day. The problem with putting the games in Hartford for football and basketball is that while it may give you some money now it doesn't maximize your capital in the long run because you don't get as many students (potential buyers) involved not only financially but emotionally. I've been at UConn for two years now and I've never been to a game at XL Center, and I probably won't venture down there in my last two years either. Bussing students to games is a joke. Nobody wants to get on a yellow schoolbus and ride with strangers 35 minutes to the stadium and watch UConn/Buffalo dead sober (can't wait to see the student crowd for UConn/Memphis in December).

One last point and I'm done- moving start times back from 12 pm would help with traffic a lot. Playing games at 1,2,3:30 means people arrive at different times, and not all at once. I know the start times have a lot to do with TV contracts but those can easily be negotiated as Networks like SNY need programing like UConn football. If you don't come to a 2 or 3:30 kickoff in Storrs because you're "worried about the traffic" then in my opinion you're just lazy and making excuses. Especially now that the new Storrs Center is being developed downtown there are plenty of things to do throughout the day to make UConn football a special event.
 
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Sorry for the long post, I've got a lot of passion on this (as do most on here)
 
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