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its the only sport we play at a high level at right now. how does that taste?????? thats what i thought. and btw, warde had a home run hire whos going to end up in alabama and didn't get him then to only soften the blow he hired a bc guy(looks like a quality guy/coach) but none the less a bc guy and 2nd pick who couldnt get umass to s his d.

the sooner all the clowns here wake up the better. uconn is dying by the minute.

tulane
memphis
smu
houston
ecu
ucf

are the future of uconns schedule. let it sink in. slowly. because i don't want to rush any of you to wake up quickly and realize uconn needs change. slowly......
 
Honestly, you're so tiring.

These folks are real, live longtime UConn donors and season ticket holders.

You're a clown on a futon - you don't get to lecture them.
 
Honestly, you're so tiring.

These folks are real, live longtime UConn donors and season ticket holders.

You're a clown on a futon - you don't get to lecture them.


i have a couch not a futon thank you very much.
 
You asked me a question and didn't even allow me to answer. You answered your own question you dipshyt. I suggest the State of Connecticut redirects their billions of dollars earmarked for UCONN towards shutting you up for the benefit of Coach Calhoun's charities and all of us on here.
 
then fold up the program. why do we play football? profit? brand? what is it? for fun?
Well, I don't want to fold up the program. I'm a UConn Football fan through and through. I believe we can win and succeed at the Rent. There's plenty we can work on and improve on to make things better there that are actually doable.

Bummer that the decision 15 years ago was to build the stadium in East Hartford. But I've got better things to do than be in a sour mood the next 30 years about a decision I can't go back in time to change. Because that's the minimum realistic timeframe to get a stadium on campus - and that has nothing to do with lack of vision.
 
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It's a nice vision. There's a number of practical problems to solve, but - it's not like I would be against what you are proposing if we could solve them. I think the you are right though that it's not in the card for decades at a minimum.

I'd be much more in favor of considering the idea if the B1G ever said "You are in tomorrow if you show us plans for an on campus stadium". But that would need to be a guarantee in stone. And even then, there are many hurdles to clear.
 
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Sorry for the long post, I've got a lot of passion on this (as do most on here)

It's a good post.

I think the piece you are missing is towards the bottom. You think people are lazy and make excuses if they don't travel to Storrs? They don't really care what you think, they just aren't making that trip as long as UConn is in the AAC. People and cars start streaming out of Rentschler in the second quarter. That sound like a fanbase willing to add another 90-120 minutes to the process of attending a game?

Maybe it happens other places but there comes a point in the second quarter where the people trickling in are equal to the people tricking out. Maybe someday if we sell enough season tickets they could market mini plans that aren't three games, but rather you have tickets for the first or second half.
 
Horsebarn Hill was targeted for a big-time research facility that eventually ended up at Purdue. If UConn coundn't get that through, how are they going to use the Hill for a project that will cost the state a billion dollars and would only be used a half dozen or so times a year?

And what does the school gain by this massive expense? Slightly more than nothing. More students I imagine. Nothing else, realistically speaking. Build it and they will come? No, they won't. Does anyone really think that there are is an untapped audience out there waiting to buy tickets once they play on campus? That thousands of folks are ready to jump into the RV and head to Storrs? There isn't, it's madness. Actually, you would actually lose support with such a move.
 
In the archives of this website is everything in detail.

In summation - everyone that worked for years to upgrade UCONN football to division 1A, envisioned a stadium on campus, and planned for it, and the voters in the state of CT actually approved of state dollars to fund it, and the plans were drawn up, and the ground ready to be broken....but local politics in the community around Storrs got wind of it, and went through political channels to the state, and eventually got the entire project scrapped on a horse@shit legal complaint, that played to partisan politics in the state legislature. The project was dead in the water, essentially until the then state governor took it upon himself to ram a stadium plan through for a Hartford area location through the state government after a courtship with Robert Kraft patriots moving to Hartford, that obviously didn't make it to the money shot.

We've got a first class facility, who's only problem UCONN has right now, is that we lease it,and don't own it, and therefore, with any rental property/tenant agreement - the biggest issue is letting the property run down vs. upkeep.

What needs to happen, is that we need to make sure that we've got as much input and pull in the management of the facility as possible. THe potential for Rentschler to be a top notch facility in the entire country is there. There aren't many places for a sporting venue that have all the qualities that Rentschler has. Location, location, location. THe venue needs to draw more events than just UCONN football, and they're working on it.
 
Horsebarn Hill was targeted for a big-time research facility that eventually ended up at Purdue. If UConn coundn't get that through, how are they going to use the Hill for a project that will cost the state a billion dollars and would only be used a half dozen or so times a year?

And what does the school gain by this massive expense? Slightly more than nothing. More students I imagine. Nothing else, realistically speaking. Build it and they will come? No, they won't. Does anyone really think that there are is an untapped audience out there waiting to buy tickets once they play on campus? That thousands of folks are ready to jump into the RV and head to Storrs? There isn't, it's madness. Actually, you would actually lose support with such a move.
Because people learn from the past Waquoit. I don't think the 'historic cornice' argument prevails a second time. I'm not so sure about your cost prediction and I think the facility could be used for more than 6 times a year, particularly as a concert venue.

I am very, very confident that it would not be a less popular destination, as it would fit the typical college venue. Many on this board believe easy access trumps the game day on campus experience. I don't. I also think that an on campus facility will draw more of the student body which is what you need to do build a fan base. Going to games on campus for 4 years is the best tool to build life long rabid fans and life long rabid fans are active alumni who give back to the school.

Regardless, it isn't in the cards in the near term.
 
It could have happened, and was very close. One could even argue that it should have happened. I believe that had we built on campus in 1998, the culture around the games would have evolved and the logistics would not be nearly as difficult as some are making it out to be.

But the ship has sailed. There is absolutely no way that the state allows the team to leave the Rent or build on campus until the existing facility is outdated. At that point, most of us won't be able to climb (out of the ground, in some cases) to our seats, so it won't matter.
 
Because people learn from the past Waquoit. I don't think the 'historic cornice' argument prevails a second time. I'm not so sure about your cost prediction and I think the facility could be used for more than 6 times a year, particularly as a concert venue.

The billion includes all of the infrastructure needed. And what concerts are you talking about? There aren't that many stadium-level acts. The Rent only has had 4 in 11 years.
 
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Rochester gets 5k a game for the Rhinos.
Does Hartford have a USL team?
 
it needs to be a state overhaul

roads:
-build super 7 from norwalk to danbury
-rt 25 from monroe to newtown
-384 needs to continue right down 44 to the cross with 195. 195 to 84 needs to be built up.
-44 from 195 cross all the way to providence needs to be built up. u could add in 44 north of hartford getting beefed up also.

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yea i know, this is fantasy land. im just a drunk and i dont understand english.



I'll let excalibur rip your eastern projects apart (though I do believe "384" will make it to Willimantic in my lifetime).

25 will never ever ever be extended - the right-of-way has been sold off, in some places. Trust me, nobody would love it to be extended more than me, but it will never happen. Even worse, and talk about good money after bad, the state is trying to tear down what was to be the exit for the 25 expressway off of 84 (the current 34 exit). Insane.
 
Horsebarn Hill was targeted for a big-time research facility that eventually ended up at Purdue. If UConn coundn't get that through, how are they going to use the Hill for a project that will cost the state a billion dollars and would only be used a half dozen or so times a year?

And what does the school gain by this massive expense? Slightly more than nothing. More students I imagine. Nothing else, realistically speaking. Build it and they will come? No, they won't. Does anyone really think that there are is an untapped audience out there waiting to buy tickets once they play on campus? That thousands of folks are ready to jump into the RV and head to Storrs? There isn't, it's madness. Actually, you would actually lose support with such a move.

I think it would be successful as a member of the B1G. As an ACC member or an AAC member I don't think the draw would be enough. To me, if the B1G said build a stadium and you get in, I'm all for it. Otherwise I agree it would probably be a waste of money (although I'd still prefer it over the Rent atmospherically).
 
Well, I don't want to fold up the program. I'm a UConn Football fan through and through. I believe we can win and succeed at the Rent. There's plenty we can work on and improve on to make things better there that are actually doable.

Bummer that the decision 15 years ago was to build the stadium in East Hartford. But I've got better things to do than be in a sour mood the next 30 years about a decision I can't go back in time to change. Because that's the minimum realistic timeframe to get a stadium on campus - and that has nothing to do with lack of vision.

Especially if there is not real tie obligating one to be a fan of a particular institution.
 
The billion includes all of the infrastructure needed. And what concerts are you talking about? There aren't that many stadium-level acts. The Rent only has had 4 in 11 years.
Global Spectrum is a giant in the venue management business. The Bushnell is a hack with no vision by comparison.
 
It's a good post.

I think the piece you are missing is towards the bottom. You think people are lazy and make excuses if they don't travel to Storrs? They don't really care what you think, they just aren't making that trip as long as UConn is in the AAC. People and cars start streaming out of Rentschler in the second quarter. That sound like a fanbase willing to add another 90-120 minutes to the process of attending a game?

Maybe it happens other places but there comes a point in the second quarter where the people trickling in are equal to the people tricking out. Maybe someday if we sell enough season tickets they could market mini plans that aren't three games, but rather you have tickets for the first or second half.



Sort of.

I said that if people still were to use "traffic" as their excuse not to go to a 3:30 kick off in Storrs when there is plenty of time to get there before the game and tailgate/experience the gameday experience then yes I consider that person on the more lazy/making excuses side of things than the problem solving side of things.

Personally I think the reason the students (myself included) come into the game in the second quarter and leave at halftime is because there are no ties to the area at all, the early start times are extremely tough to make from Storrs, and a lot of the kids never grew up with/around UConn football therefore don't care about it. The on campus stadium issue solves a lot of this. Think about this for instance. If you go out on that Friday before the game, and you wake up Saturday at 9:30 in Storrs, you've already missed the busses to the football game. Then you're stuck. If the stadium is on campus, a student wakes up at 9:30, realizes there's a football game in 2.5 hours, takes a quick shower and busts his/her butt to the parking lot to tailgate and make it to the game. My fraternity puts on tailgates every game, they usually only last 2.5 hours truthfully. But people don't enter until 1:00 (second quarter) because nobody even gets to the stadium until 10:30/11. I think this is responsible for a large number of the students showing up late.

Students leave early because its a long drive back to campus and they want to eat/get a power nap in in the mid afternoon before they go out that night. The games right now are seen as an excuse to drink (which is how they should be viewed right now since there's no emotional attachment there for a lot of students). If/when the stadium gets placed on campus, students will still go to drink however I'd be willing to wager a lot of money to say that you'd get a lot more students staying a lot longer (maybe even the whole game, gasp!) if it was easier for them to get to and it was made a bigger deal for us by being on campus.

There is a sense amongst the students right now that the administration doesn't fully believe in Storrs as a viable college town. Sure there are plenty of other factors (a lot of it is those damn Mansfield people, who for some reason haven't embraced UConn as a viable economic option) but outsourcing our sports on a regular basis doesn't build identity and school spirit. Honestly most of the students who attend all the sporting events are freshmen/sophomores and they have a very tough time finding a car to drive to XL (bus tickets cost $3 for football and basketball, in addition to your ticket price).

The development of Storrs can't continue to be delayed. The area has such potential to be an amazing college town but the time of making excuses as to why Storrs isn't a good fit for anything needs to come to an end. In today's world, Storrs could be an incredible town that is modern and ahead of the curve in many ways to any other school in the area. This is a positive not only academically (high quality students want a good education, which UConn has, and a beautiful area to live in), but athletically as well as we would be able to attract a better type of athlete to UConn for school.
 
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You can call them lazy. They don't care.

One could say that students who won't travel to E Hartford or XL are just as lazy anyway.
 
You also seem to think moving games to Storrs makes them magically start at 3:30. It does not. The vast majority of game times are selected by television partners.

Gas and parking cost a lot more than $3 and a car limits your ability to drink.
 
Sort of.

I said that if people still were to use "traffic" as their excuse not to go to a 3:30 kick off in Storrs when there is plenty of time to get there before the game and tailgate/experience the gameday experience then yes I consider that person on the more lazy/making excuses side of things than the problem solving side of things.

Kick off will still be at 12:00 regardless of venue. If you want the games televised then TV sets the schedule. Otherwise the game goes up against Tennessee/Florida or A&M/Bama. Yeah that'll gain exposure.

Personally I think the reason the students (myself included) come into the game in the second quarter and leave at halftime is because there are no ties to the area at all, the early start times are extremely tough to make from Storrs, and a lot of the kids never grew up with/around UConn football therefore don't care about it. The on campus stadium issue solves a lot of this. Think about this for instance. If you go out on that Friday before the game, and you wake up Saturday at 9:30 in Storrs, you've already missed the busses to the football game. Then you're stuck. If the stadium is on campus, a student wakes up at 9:30, realizes there's a football game in 2.5 hours, takes a quick shower and busts his/her butt to the parking lot to tailgate and make it to the game. My fraternity puts on tailgates every game, they usually only last 2.5 hours truthfully. But people don't enter until 1:00 (second quarter) because nobody even gets to the stadium until 10:30/11. I think this is responsible for a large number of the students showing up late.

No it doesn't. It provides a ready made excuse for the lazies...If you were more committed to partying, you would know when the buses left and plan for it ;). Go out around 9:30, back around 2:00am and up at 7:00. A couple Red-Bulls and Popov, and you're ready to go for the next 6-8 hours. You're 18-22 years old for crying out loud!! Time to take some responsibility for your own party schedule. The timing and number of buses is up to the student organizations. Get involved.

Students leave early because its a long drive back to campus and they want to eat/get a power nap in in the mid afternoon before they go out that night. The games right now are seen as an excuse to drink (which is how they should be viewed right now since there's no emotional attachment there for a lot of students). If/when the stadium gets placed on campus, students will still go to drink however I'd be willing to wager a lot of money to say that you'd get a lot more students staying a lot longer (maybe even the whole game, gasp!) if it was easier for them to get to and it was made a bigger deal for us by being on campus.

Another ready made excuse. The drive, in a car, is about 30 minutes. Games last until 4:00. Back at campus by 5:00 (including traffic)and the dining halls don't close until 7:00. There's 2 hours for a nap. If you live in the Fraternity House, make sure a Freshman has your Ramen noodles ready as you walk in the door.

There is a sense amongst the students right now that the administration doesn't fully believe in Storrs as a viable college town. Sure there are plenty of other factors (a lot of it is those damn Mansfield people, who for some reason haven't embraced UConn as a viable economic option) but outsourcing our sports on a regular basis doesn't build identity and school spirit. Honestly most of the students who attend all the sporting events are freshmen/sophomores and they have a very tough time finding a car to drive to XL (bus tickets cost $3 for football and basketball, in addition to your ticket price).

I agree with you here and it's an on going problem since at least 1996. But this is where your student organizations need to step up. Like I've told HskyFanDan, you need to know your audience. I don't know if the Athletic Department is monitoring the message boards (they probably do), but my guess is 90% of the people here are not decision makers when it comes to student affairs or the athletic department. Get involved on campus...

The development of Storrs can't continue to be delayed. The area has such potential to be an amazing college town but the time of making excuses as to why Storrs isn't a good fit for anything needs to come to an end. In today's world, Storrs could be an incredible town that is modern and ahead of the curve in many ways to any other school in the area. This is a positive not only academically (high quality students want a good education, which UConn has, and a beautiful area to live in), but athletically as well as we would be able to attract a better type of athlete to UConn for school.

The issue you face is that there is no other school in the area that compares to UConn at Storrs, so the powers that be are resting on their laurels, so to speak. In terms of attracting better athletes to UConn. An off campus venue has some to do with their decision, but not more than, "Can this coach get me to the Pro League and making $Millions?"

At the end of the day, your own football game day experience is dictated by you. If you want to improve the experience of others, so be it. You're a student, right? Get involved in something other than Rush week (speaking metaphorically, of course).
 
Drew is right. You have 25,000 students right there. Most places they just walk-up.

The whole stadium was poorly designed and it hurt UConn badly and will continue to hurt the school. That being said, it's not going to change. So you live with it.

Read Excalibur's post. If everyone knows better, then they should talk to the planners who had a Storrs stadium in mind for a reason.
 
I never understand these threads. The Weicker and Rowland plans for a stadium said "anywhere but Storrs".

EH was still the best option at the time. This whole thread is based on the premise if you build season tickets into Activity fees and build near campus games will sell out. Its a lousy model. Failure to execute the EH model and gather enough corporate and union backing is feeding this fantasy.
 
CT is building OUT UConn instead of building UP in Storrs. That's a political issue. Why concentrate on Finance and Wall Street in Stamford instead of Storrs? Why concentrate Continuing Education in Hartford (union and teacher central)? Why Farmington for Medical and Genetics? To me the answers are obvious as is the tech park.
 
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The billion includes all of the infrastructure needed. And what concerts are you talking about? There aren't that many stadium-level acts. The Rent only has had 4 in 11 years.
The Rent isn't in the middle of a university with captive crowds.

I disagree about the infrastructure. As I've pointed out dozens of times somehow Rutgers and Army manage to get people in and out on equally , if not more, challenging roads. As UConn9604 once pointed out Route 1 in Foxboro accommodates 68k Patriot fans. Keep in mind that you are not moving 50K at once. If you've got a decent on campus experience you feather your traffic in and out. That's how tailgating got started right? Beat the traffic cook up some brats and have a beer or two.

If you feel like searching, (and I don't) somewhere I did a rough analysis of spreading out the traffic over multiple exit routes - E.g. Gurlyville Road to 198 to Rt 6; Storrs Road North to 44 converting it to 4 lanes northbound; and North Eagleville Road to Route 32. Spread out the exit time over two hours and you are looking at 54 cars per five minute interval per route. Not so unreasonable anymore is it? Now if 15k of that 50k are students, it gets that much easier.

The whole traffic argument is a red herring. There's just no validity to it. It happens every Sunday in the fall on campuses all over America. No reason why it would be any different in Storrs.

That said, it ain't happening any time soon.
 
As UConn9604 once pointed out Route 1 in Foxboro accommodates 68k Patriot fans.

Not very well.

1. They also use breakdown lanes to form 3 in/1 out before the game and 3 out/1 in after, and it still takes 3 hours to clear route 1.

2. Rentschler security start shooing partrons out of the parking lot after about 30 minutes. Patriot staff start about 2 hours after and private parking lots have their own policies. The lumber yard down the train tracks didn't cater to non-residents of Foxborough.
 
Huh? It's a great place to see a game. There isn't a bad seat in the house. I love it.

From that standpoint, I agree. I know some people don't like the open concourse because it encourages people to leave their seats, but overall it is a great place to watch a game with top notch sight lines.
 
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