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He has no idea where the ball is going half the time. If you play with fire as much as he does then you're going to get burned more often than not.

It seems pretty clear to me that having no sticky stuff has really hurt Edwin.
I guess, I just find it annoying that all the Diaz haters were quiet the first 3 months of the season while he was 19 of 20 on saves and then all of a sudden he has a bad 3 game stretch and they show up
 
I guess, I just find it annoying that all the Diaz haters were quiet the first 3 months of the season while he was 19 of 20 on saves and then all of a sudden he has a bad 3 game stretch and they show up
C'mon. You and I discussed it then, when you jabbed me for hating on him early on with the Mets. I thought we agreed that his first season here was deserving of criticism; I conceded that I was scarred from Benitez, Famila and Robles meltdowns and thought he was another example of a guy who couldn't handle the Big Apple pressure. You noted his improvement last season and I agreed, but I've also admitted that I've never felt as confident in him as I do in Lugo. I still feel that way, and the coincidence of this recent stretch with both his loss of rotation and the crackdown on illegal substances is something to note imo.
 
C'mon. You and I discussed it then, when you jabbed me for hating on him early on with the Mets. I thought we agreed that his first season here was deserving of criticism; I conceded that I was scarred from Benitez, Famila and Robles meltdowns and thought he was another example of a guy who couldn't handle the Big Apple pressure. You noted his improvement last season and I agreed, but I've also admitted that I've never felt as confident in him as I do in Lugo. I still feel that way, and the coincidence of this recent stretch with both his loss of rotation and the crackdown on illegal substances is something to note imo.
Yeah we did discuss it and I feel the same way now as I did then, the hate was unwarranted. I think people can't separate Diaz being good with the Diaz trade being bad. I love Lugo and have full confidence in him too just like Diaz. All the underlying numbers point to him being just as dominant this year as he was in 2020. The loss of spin rate is definitely something to note, but doesn't hold up for me when he also had his most dominant stretch after the crackdown right before this recent blowup
 
Yeah we did discuss it and I feel the same way now as I did then, the hate was unwarranted. I think people can't separate Diaz being good with the Diaz trade being bad. I love Lugo and have full confidence in him too just like Diaz. All the underlying numbers point to him being just as dominant this year as he was in 2020. The loss of spin rate is definitely something to note, but doesn't hold up for me when he also had his most dominant stretch after the crackdown right before this recent blowup
I hope your gut is right about him and not mine.
 
My take? Mariano Rivera and Dennis Eckersley are unicorns. Closers who are infallible are rarities. Even the more dominant guys have stretches where they blow leads or look bad. You just need to make sure they’re not at the wrong spots of a season. I think this team will not let him slip into something that’s an issue.
 
My take? Mariano Rivera and Dennis Eckersley are unicorns. Closers who are infallible are rarities. Even the more dominant guys have stretches where they blow leads or look bad. You just need to make sure they’re not at the wrong spots of a season. I think this team will not let him slip into something that’s an issue.
That's fair. I just worry about his head. Franco was far from infallible, but I'll never forget him being described as having "the guts of a burglar," and that's the quality I look for in the guys who are fallible.

I'm still ruminating about de Grom becoming a closer. The more I think about it, the more I like it. Let him throw two innings of gas and essentially make those games seven innings long for the other team's offense. Better than the fits and starts we're going to be dealing with if he is expected to remain a starter and pitch the way he has been pitching.
 
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That's fair. I just worry about his head. Franco was far from infallible, but I'll never forget him being described as having "the guts of a burglar," and that's the quality I look for in the guys who are fallible.

I'm still ruminating about de Grom becoming a closer. The more I think about it, the more I like it. Let him throw two innings of gas and essentially make those games seven innings long for the other team's offense. Better than the fits and starts we're going to be dealing with if he is expected to remain a starter and pitch the way he has been pitching.
Now??? Or at a later point like Eck did?
 
Now??? Or at a later point like Eck did?
I'm thinking now, only because no one has ever been in this position before and I don't think he can keep throwing that hard as a starter without breaking down again constantly.

If he can string together three on-rotation starts of five or more innings without concerns, I might feel differently. But at the last post-game presser where he spoke I felt like that might not ever happen again. He almost seemed more concerned that nothing shows up on the imaging to explain why he feels the way he does. When he talked about taking the ball every fifth day he kind of trailed off like that was a pipe dream at this point.
 
Hunter is hurt and I don’t think the catcher comes close to anything that could be considered a lottery ticket so anything we get from Hill is a plus. Apparently while his total era is under 4, it’s 5.4 since the sticky stuff crackdown. Sadly I think a guy going 5 and giving up 3er is a big net positive right now considering all the minor league arms being used and constant bullpen days.
 
This is a solid move, good 4/5 starter who can move to the bullpen once everyone is back and healthy
 
Hunter is hurt and I don’t think the catcher comes close to anything that could be considered a lottery ticket so anything we get from Hill is a plus. Apparently while his total era is under 4, it’s 5.4 since the sticky stuff crackdown. Sadly I think a guy going 5 and giving up 3er is a big net positive right now considering all the minor league arms being used and constant bullpen days.

Yeah, the way the offense has turned things up lately we just need him to give us some innings that aren't terrible. He can probably stick in the bullpen if we make the postseason as a LOOGY/long reliever.
 
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Either Familia or Lugo should close games. Even yesterday 2 of Diaz's 3 outs were frozen ropes luckily hit at someone.

How about this Megill kid? No preseason hype about him at all and he has been outstanding. He'd be a rookie of the year candidate if he came up sooner.
 
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Diaz still doesn't know where the ball is going sometimes, but nice to see him settle down the last few times out.
 
Heading down to Citi for the doubleheader tonight with dad/dad-in-law for a (delayed) Father's Day visit to the ballfield...

First time ever at Citi Field...any quick general tips, suggestions for best food, etc.?

I see per their website that they allow soft small coolers with clear water bottles and food/snacks. How strict are they with it? Can you bring a clear plastic bottle of iced tea/lemonade? etc.

Thanks in advnace
 
Heading down to Citi for the doubleheader tonight with dad/dad-in-law for a (delayed) Father's Day visit to the ballfield...

First time ever at Citi Field...any quick general tips, suggestions for best food, etc.?

I see per their website that they allow soft small coolers with clear water bottles and food/snacks. How strict are they with it? Can you bring a clear plastic bottle of iced tea/lemonade? etc.

Thanks in advnace
I was there a month ago and unfortunately none of the best food options seemed to be available. Mama's of Corona is apparently gone, and Fuku chicken sandwich was nowhere to be found. It was supposed to be roaming in the outfield concession area but we could not find it. Best bets are the taco stand in the outfield, Shake Shack and the BBQ joint, both of which are also in that area. Otherwise there are a few spots selling Pat LaFrieda filet mignon steak sandwiches.

I brought a clear stadium bag and for some reason they chose me to empty the whole damn thing and inspect every item. I had no contraband but they definitely checked for it. I brought bottled water but ended up drinking it all before we got there. I am guessing anything you bring in needs to be sealed, and I would expect them to check.
 
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Heading down to Citi for the doubleheader tonight with dad/dad-in-law for a (delayed) Father's Day visit to the ballfield...

First time ever at Citi Field...any quick general tips, suggestions for best food, etc.?

I see per their website that they allow soft small coolers with clear water bottles and food/snacks. How strict are they with it? Can you bring a clear plastic bottle of iced tea/lemonade? etc.

Thanks in advnace
Can't comment on Citi, but at PNC Park only unopened clear water bottles are allowed. I assume that's SOP everywhere, but who knows. So, the way to do lemonade/iced tea is simply bring in some mix packets in your pocket, or a bottle of Mio or whatever and mix it at your seat.
 
Heading down to Citi for the doubleheader tonight with dad/dad-in-law for a (delayed) Father's Day visit to the ballfield...

First time ever at Citi Field...any quick general tips, suggestions for best food, etc.?

I see per their website that they allow soft small coolers with clear water bottles and food/snacks. How strict are they with it? Can you bring a clear plastic bottle of iced tea/lemonade? etc.

Thanks in advnace
I was there Saturday with my dad for a late Father's Day game, of course it was the 1 game they lost but still lots of fun.

Agree with 8893, if you go behind CF that's all the best food. I've switched it up every time between places and nothing stands out above the rest but it's all very good.

The whole ballpark is debit/credit only, no more cash even for parking. Not sure which way you're coming from but for parking I always just park under the bridge, it's free and is only a 5 minute walk to get to the CF entrance
 
I can't be the only one that winces watching Dom play LF, right? He just never looks comfortable, even on the more routine plays. I think the actual statistics probably play out find in the end....but it's not graceful watching it.
 
I can't be the only one that winces watching Dom play LF, right? He just never looks comfortable, even on the more routine plays. I think the actual statistics probably play out find in the end....but it's not graceful watching it.
You're not the only one, and the stats don't back it up. He's statistically one of the worst defensive OFs in baseball. It's part of what will make this offseason so interesting because him and JD Davis both grade out as 1st percentile defenders who need to be at Dan Hurley and there's only 1 spot for them
 
I was there a month ago and unfortunately none of the best food options seemed to be available. Mama's of Corona is apparently gone, and Fuku chicken sandwich was nowhere to be found. It was supposed to be roaming in the outfield concession area but we could not find it. Best bets are the taco stand in the outfield, Shake Shack and the BBQ joint, both of which are also in that area. Otherwise there are a few spots selling Pat LaFrieda filet mignon steak sandwiches.

I brought a clear stadium bag and for some reason they chose me to empty the whole damn thing and inspect every item. I had no contraband but they definitely checked for it. I brought bottled water but ended up drinking it all before we got there. I am guessing anything you bring in needs to be sealed, and I would expect them to check.

I was there Saturday with my dad for a late Father's Day game, of course it was the 1 game they lost but still lots of fun.

Agree with 8893, if you go behind CF that's all the best food. I've switched it up every time between places and nothing stands out above the rest but it's all very good.

The whole ballpark is debit/credit only, no more cash even for parking. Not sure which way you're coming from but for parking I always just park under the bridge, it's free and is only a 5 minute walk to get to the CF entrance

Thanks for all the tips! We had a great time last night (other than getting annoyed with the lack of Mets hitting...doubleheader sweep was ripe for the taking if we could have had 1 or 2 timely hits in the 1st game).

Some random thoughts/impressions on Citi Field:

-Getting to the stadium, parking, and leaving the lots were all easy-peazy. We parked in the Citi lots to save some walking my 83-yo FIL.
-The HOF & Museum was really cool. I never realized the Polo grounds had a 258-ft left field line. Righty pull hitters musta loved it for the 2 years they played there.
-3rd base line seats are really nice for afternoon games...were were in the shade the entire time which was nice on a 90+ degree humid day.
-Bag check was pretty lenient. I had 4 clear water bottles in my cooler and a bunch of snacks. No hassles given by the bag checker whatsoever. Same went for my dad & FIL.
-Liked the different food choices and beer choices throughout the concourse in our area (section 328). Prices were OK for a MLB stadium.
-Centerfield pavilion area was great. My daughter and I opted for the taco stand. Tacos were tasty (though would have preferred 3 tacos instead of 2) and the corn-on-the-cob was awesome.

Observations on the games:

-Maybe I don't notice this as much watching the games on TV, but both teams did a great job playing the hitters for their usual outfield hitting spots. So many well-hit balls to the gaps from both teams just turned into routine outs due to the outfielder positioning.
-The infield shifts work more often than not (which is annoying) so they aren't going away any time soon unless rules change
-Conforto had some great at bats but came out of the games with little to show for it
-Edwin Diaz is a beast when he's on!
 
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I can't believe a team who's competing continues to give starts to Jerad Eickhoff
 
I can't believe a team who's competing continues to give starts to Jerad Eickhoff
Carrasco coming back at least gives us 5 major league starters. I’m not sure if there is an impact arm they can get or if the cost would be worth it, but I think they need to make another trade like the one for Hill. Give up barely anything and get someone who can give you 5. I’m tired of the constant bullpen games and starting guys like Eickhoff.
 

With Boras as his agent I am guessing this will end up in a stalemate with the kid going back to school and the Mets getting a compensation pick next year.

If Rocker doesn't even need TJS then I would be stunned if the Mets let this fall through. They're trying to negotiate for a lower contract, but I'll bet when push comes to shove they still sign him for $6 million. Even if he needed Tommy John, what's the risk? You lose the player and don't get to draft another in his place until next year, when you almost certainly won't get a player that's as talented.
 
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