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The "good news" is that Charlie Creme's brackets do not normally mirror the brackets of the Committee.

UConn has control of their own destiny. The dominoes have fallen and will continue falling over the next few weeks.

Go Huskies
Correct. History has shown that Charlie is better at predicting the 64 teams than he is at predicting the Committee's brackets.
The same can be said for pretty much all the so-called bracketologists for both WBB and MBB, like Lunardi and others. They usually come within a team or two of predicting the field, but it's quite impossible to predict accurately every team's seeding and placement.

Even if their ranking of teams 1-68 were identical to the committee's — the likelihood of which is itself next to nil — an endless number of bracketing decisions can further alter the course of regional placements.

I still cannot believe that teams as generally yucky as Florida State and Kentucky and Northwestern are still considered on the bubble. I mean good lord. FSU was completely thrashed by "my Coogs" in Tallahassee. Northwestern lost to Pitt, for godssake, which should be an automtatic disqualification. I don't care if they went up against some conference rival who forgot to put their sneakers on that day. Just no.
 
The same can be said for pretty much all the so-called bracketologists for both WBB and MBB, like Lunardi and others. They usually come within a team or two of predicting the field, but it's quite impossible to predict accurately every team's seeding and placement.

Even if their ranking of teams 1-68 were identical to the committee's — the likelihood of which is itself next to nil — an endless number of bracketing decisions can further alter the course of regional placements.

I still cannot believe that teams as generally yucky as Florida State and Kentucky and Northwestern are still considered on the bubble. I mean good lord. FSU was completely thrashed by "my Coogs" in Tallahassee. Northwestern lost to Pitt, for godssake, which should be an automtatic disqualification. I don't care if they went up against some conference rival who forgot to put their sneakers on that day. Just no.
I agree 100%. I mentioned in another post - most of the bottom of the SEC - Alabama? aTm? both have like 9 or 10 losses in their own conference. Kentucky you mentioned. I'd add Mississippi State (15-11) - as well. IMHO SEC should have like 8 teams in, maybe, if you include Missouri.

None of those teams have above .500 in the conference, but moreover, they all have at least 10 losses. "But they were good losses"... YIKES!
 
I agree 100%. I mentioned in another post - most of the bottom of the SEC - Alabama? aTm? both have like 9 or 10 losses in their own conference. Kentucky you mentioned. I'd add Mississippi State (15-11) - as well. IMHO SEC should have like 8 teams in, maybe if you include Missouri.

None of those teams have above .500 in the conference, but moreover, they all have at least 10 losses. "But they were good losses"... YIKES!
Pretty amazing. Just between the SEC, ACC and Pac-12 there are something like 15 bubble teams according to the experts. Gross.

FWIW I generally ignore the prattle on "bubble teams" and other bracketing matters that is spewed by in-game commentators, who are constantly hawking their version of snake oil, especially on the conference-centric networks.

Just a note on Missouri: they wouldn't even be close the bubble if not for one single game where their vaunted opponent played down to them.
 
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I agree 100%. I mentioned in another post - most of the bottom of the SEC - Alabama? aTm? both have like 9 or 10 losses in their own conference. Kentucky you mentioned. I'd add Mississippi State (15-11) - as well. IMHO SEC should have like 8 teams in, maybe, if you include Missouri.

None of those teams have above .500 in the conference, but moreover, they all have at least 10 losses. "But they were good losses"... YIKES!
No team should be allowed to play in the Tournament if they have a losing record in their conference, unless they win the conference tournament to get the AQ, period. I've always hated the experts that say things like well they played against so and so that's why they have a losing record in the conference. Isn't that the same with teams that play in conferences with the teams like UConn, Princeton, South Dakota State, or Dayton.
 
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I agree that 9 teams each from the ACC and the SEC is a bit much, especially given the records and the eye test for some of those teams. I also think that the Pac 12 gets shortchanged every year, both by Charlie and by the selection committee. And the Pac 12 teams have performed very well in the tournament in recent years.
 
I also think that the Pac 12 gets shortchanged every year, both by Charlie and by the selection committee. And the Pac 12 teams have performed very well in the tournament in recent years.
Who are the Pac-12 teams that IYO got shortchanged in recent years? It's generally been very clear in recent years which P12 teams were tournament teams and which weren't (this year is a big departure from that trend). But I do remember one year (maybe 2017?) when Cal was a surprise inclusion despite a 6-12 conference record. By no means were they shortchanged by the committee that year when almost everyone thought they were headed to the WNIT.
 
LOL that the picture for “last team in” Boston College doesn’t include a Boston College player.

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That is actually Cameron Swartz. She's actually had a really strong senior season. I saw her in person a couple weeks ago when the ball was in her hands there was like a buzz in the crows. But your right in that those are not typical BC jerseys.
 
That is actually Cameron Swartz. She's actually had a really strong senior season. I saw her in person a couple weeks ago when the ball was in her hands there was like a buzz in the crows. But your right in that those are not typical BC jerseys.

I saw that ACC shoulder patch and figured it had to be BC

Understand a lot could change between now and Selection Sunday, or whatever day they have it scheduled for, but I’m not buying Michigan, Iowa St and Arizona as 2 seeds.

Why not Michigan and/or ISU?
 
When they rank 2/3 of a conference's teams to begin the season it looks like the teams in that conference are playing a tougher schedule. It's made worse when a team like Kentucky is allowed to hang around as a rated team for as long as they did. I'll wait to see who is actually selected before commenting on the number of teams per conference. I just hope the committee actually watched some games because there is no way records against whoever can tell the proper story - especially this year.
 
Who are the Pac-12 teams that IYO got shortchanged in recent years? It's generally been very clear in recent years which P12 teams were tournament teams and which weren't (this year is a big departure from that trend). But I do remember one year (maybe 2017?) when Cal was a surprise inclusion despite a 6-12 conference record. By no means were they shortchanged by the committee that year when almost everyone thought they were headed to the WNIT.
I looked over the tournament selections for 2018, 2019, and 2021 and you are right. I somehow thought the mid level Pac 12 teams were being excluded, but that was not the case. I did have a problem with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in the 2018 tournament and Tennessee and Indiana in 2019, but neither would have been replaced by a PAC 12. I guess my west coast preferences were prejudicing my memory.

This year I actually would tend to prefer Oregon State, UCLA, and Arizona State to Mississippi State, Boston College, and Miami. And if truth be told, I would put Villanova in and take Missouri out.
 
Who are the Pac-12 teams that IYO got shortchanged in recent years? It's generally been very clear in recent years which P12 teams were tournament teams and which weren't (this year is a big departure from that trend). But I do remember one year (maybe 2017?) when Cal was a surprise inclusion despite a 6-12 conference record. By no means were they shortchanged by the committee that year when almost everyone thought they were headed to the WNIT.

My guess is that having a couple of advocates on the committee helps. And from reading the convoluted rules the committee operates under the chairman has a lot of influence.
Being a cynic by nature I look at ESPN and ask why the entity paying for the telecasting rights is allowed to pick the teams they want and the matchups they want months in advance? It kind of suggests that fair and balanced competition is not at the top of the committee's (nor ESPN's) list of goals.
 
Being a cynic by nature I look at ESPN and ask why the entity paying for the telecasting rights is allowed to pick the teams they want and the matchups they want months in advance? I.
What on earth are you talking about?
What matchups are they picking months in advance?
 
If you look at the NCAA team statistics for division one, it appears that the winning team has already been preselected. It will take a Villanova vs Georgetown level upset ( Patrick Ewing vintage ) for South Carolina to lose this year according to the numbers. And the biggest reason is team defense and rebounding. They are near the top or at the top in lots of categories. We are near the top in shooting percentage and that's about it. Considering the level of competition South Carolina has played, they seem to be onto something. They appear to be the new paradigm going forward. Big, physical, fast teams which can rebound and defend:

 
If you look at the NCAA team statistics for division one, it appears that the winning team has already been preselected. It will take a Villanova vs Georgetown level upset ( Patrick Ewing vintage ) for South Carolina to lose this year according to the numbers. And the biggest reason is team defense and rebounding. They are near the top or at the top in lots of categories. We are near the top in shooting percentage and that's about it. Considering the level of competition South Carolina has played, they seem to be onto something. They appear to be the new paradigm going forward. Big, physical, fast teams which can rebound and defend:


S.C. is very, very good, and Boston is a great player. But, when I watch them, the style of play reminds me of Tennessee under Pat. S.C. is NOT an elite offensive team. Their shooting is very pedestrian, but they rebound 45% of their misses and get another crack at the basket. If UConn, Stanford, or another solid team gets hot from outside, S.C. is vulnerable. Neutralizing S.C. on the boards--not an easy feat--is another way to beat them.
 
I also saw Baylor as the new 2 in our Region and got a little worried. I have since changed my position though. Pre Brown injury I believe MI started 4 seniors. That core group has been together awhile and they can be really tough on both sides of the ball when locked in. Baylor lost a menacing lock down defender in Richards and two hard nosed crafty seniors in DC and Moon. The current Baylor guards are all similar height....no one over 5'8 and not the defenders we saw last year. Now I understand anything can happen in a one in done situation but I actually agree that we match up more favorably with Baylor. Egbo also remains her worst enemy with fouls and sometimes letting her emotions get the best of her.
UCONN's Achilles heel has usually been short quick guards.
 
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