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I do not want them to draft Moore. He's just too raw and young and it's not a good fit for either him or the Jets at this time. I feel like either Mendoza falls to 2 (he won't) or the Jets trade up to 1 to get him (they won't) or wait a year and go with a Malik Willis or Kirk Cousins stop gap.
 
HuskyHawk said:
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I heard that podcast..it’s a fair concern. I also hear talent evaluators saying they would rate him higher than Mendoza. He didn’t look good against Indiana. I also remember Marino had a rough senior year at Pitt, and the Jets passed on him and the Jets ended up with Ken O’Brien. I see that the QB from Nebraska transferred to Oregon. Not sure if that means that Oregon knows that Moore is leaving or it’s just insurance.

It’s hard to have a strong opinion about where to draft quarterbacks when it seems to be such a crapshoot. Shough and Purdy are two recent examples of talent evaluators totally missing the mark. I will say…the careers of Glenn and Mougey hang in the balance with what they do with the qb position.

If Moore doesn’t come out (or maybe even if he does) I can see them signing a Willis type…and trading back into the first round to get Simpson. Simpson also doesn’t have many college starts..but he is older. Use their own first round picks…then maybe offer up their 2s to get back into the first round to draft him. They can evaluate him for a year then decide if they need to take another look at qbs in the 2027 draft when they have 3 first round picks.

Whatever they decide…we know one thing…it will be the wrong decision. Cause…they are the Jets.
 
Deepster said:
I do not want them to draft Moore. He's just too raw and young and it's not a good fit for either him or the Jets at this time. I feel like either Mendoza falls to 2 (he won't) or the Jets trade up to 1 to get him (they won't) or wait a year and go with a Malik Willis or Kirk Cousins stop gap.
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Didn’t Cousins openly mock the Jets when he admitted he used them to get a better contract elsewhere? Would Woody just forget about that?
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Didn’t Cousins openly mock the Jets when he admitted he used them to get a better contract elsewhere? Would Woody just forget about that?
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I didn’t know that. I do know he is one of the highest paid QBs that’s accomplished nothing so I’m sure he’ll follow the money at this point no matter who it is.
 
guys which do you think happens first

  • UConn makes it to the CFP
  • Jets make it to the super bowl (not even win, just MAKE it)


lol
 
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Deepster said:
www.espn.com

QB Dante Moore opts against NFL draft, returning to Oregon

Oregon QB Dante Moore, who was projected as a top pick in the NFL draft, has decided to return to school for the 2026 season, he announced on ESPN's "SportsCenter."
www.espn.com www.espn.com

Dante Moore is going back to Oregon. Can't say I blame him.

Cheers to 2026 with Aaron Glenn as head coach and god knows who at QB.
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Yeah….it didn’t sound like you wanted him anyway.

I guess now they try to get a Willis type. Maybe they can get Geno Smith…or Zach Wilson. Then draft a qb and hope.

Hard to imagine that 2026 will not only be bad but there will be little hope for the future.

Or as we call it in these parts…just another season bring a Jets fan.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Yeah….it didn’t sound like you wanted him anyway.

I guess now they try to get a Willis type. Maybe they can get Geno Smith…or Zach Wilson. Then draft a qb and hope.

Hard to imagine that 2026 will not only be bad but there will be little hope for the future.

Or as we call it in these parts…just another season bring a Jets fan.
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The only two FAs worth considering are Willis and Mariota, who is still young enough at 30 to be more than a 2 year stopgap. The old guys are pointless. Pickett if they are tanking for 2027 and want to take a flyer.

If Spencer is there, I think they'll take him. I don't see anybody else going in round 1, but there are some guys who could turn out to be decent and wouldn't cost a 1st. Mateer and Nussmeier are worth a day two pick and could surprise. Pair one of them with Pickett and if nobody pans out you've got picks again next year.
 
HuskyHawk said:
The only two FAs worth considering are Willis and Mariota, who is still young enough at 30 to be more than a 2 year stopgap. The old guys are pointless. Pickett if they are tanking for 2027 and want to take a flyer.

If Spencer is there, I think they'll take him. I don't see anybody else going in round 1, but there are some guys who could turn out to be decent and wouldn't cost a 1st. Mateer and Nussmeier are worth a day two pick and could surprise. Pair one of them with Pickett and if nobody pans out you've got picks again next year.
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That seems like that makes sense. I assume you mean Simpson?

The question is…do you think Simpson is worthy of the #16 pick or do the jets trade up to back in the tail end of the first round? I am not sure I think he is top 20 worthy. But who knows.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
That seems like that makes sense. I assume you mean Simpson?

The question is…do you think Simpson is worthy of the #16 pick or do the jets trade up to back in the tail end of the first round? I am not sure I think he is top 20 worthy. But who knows.
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Yes, Simpson. He will be gone in the top 5.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Yes, Simpson. He will be gone in the top 5.
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hmmm. i know teams get desperate for qbs…but i am not sure he is top 5. he still has very few starts and crapped the bed at the end of the season. but…there are few qb options out there and someone may talk themselves into drafting him high.
 
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So…the Patriots have Vrabel and Maye. The Giants have Harbaugh and Dart. The Jets have Glenn and….Brady Cook?

Great time to be a Jets fan.
 
Some of these head coaching moves are puzzling.

Saleh has talked his way into another shot at Tenn. Saleh seems like he can run a good defense but he really struggled as a leader of a team. Those reports in The Athletic about the Jets culture were pretty damning. I guess they are hoping he learned from his Jets experience?

And Hafley to the Dolphins. Last I saw him he was failing as the BC head coach. I don’t follow the Packers that closely…has their defense been so good the DC should get hired away?

I think Stefanski is a good hire by the Falcons. He was dealt a crappy hand in Cleveland. I also think it was smart to keep Ulbrich as DC.

Not sure about the Bills firing McDermott. You only do that if that is what Josh Allen wants. Who do they think will be better…Daboll? I wonder if Allen missed his OC so they made the move to bring him back?

I am kinda glad the Jets are not in this hiring cycle…lots of top jobs available and the Jets would just get table scraps.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Some of these head coaching moves are puzzling.

Saleh has talked his way into another shot at Tenn. Saleh seems like he can run a good defense but he really struggled as a leader of a team. Those reports in The Athletic about the Jets culture were pretty damning. I guess they are hoping he learned from his Jets experience?

And Hafley to the Dolphins. Last I saw him he was failing as the BC head coach. I don’t follow the Packers that closely…has their defense been so good the DC should get hired away?

I think Stefanski is a good hire by the Falcons. He was dealt a crappy hand in Cleveland. I also think it was smart to keep Ulbrich as DC.

Not sure about the Bills firing McDermott. You only do that if that is what Josh Allen wants. Who do they think will be better…Daboll? I wonder if Allen missed his OC so they made the move to bring him back?

I am kinda glad the Jets are not in this hiring cycle…lots of top jobs available and the Jets would just get table scraps.
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I was surprised Saleh was chosen over Flores. Flores was actually good as HC in Miami and has been a better DC. Maybe those burned bridges are haunting him a bit.

Hafley was a surprise, but the Dolphins hired a new GM type guy from the Packers so that seems to be the connection.

Stefanski is a good hire. Agree on Ulbrich. That team is close and can succeed in a weak division.

Bills problems are roster driven as we all discussed. McDermott wasn't great but wasn't the problem. I guess that can bring in Daboll, but then probably lose Joe Brady. They need to upgrade the roster and the defense.

Aaron Glenn is better than any of these guys. I don't think he's the problem.
 
I'm shocked Saleh got another shot so quickly. While he's clearly a good defensive mind, it seemed like the culture and vibe were an absolute disaster. The whole Saleh and Joe B thing, while clearly more of a Benigno issue, was absolutely bizarre.
 
boog204 said:
I'm shocked Saleh got another shot so quickly. While he's clearly a good defensive mind, it seemed like the culture and vibe were an absolute disaster. The whole Saleh and Joe B thing, while clearly more of a Benigno issue, was absolutely bizarre.
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I had to google this. I had not heard about this before. I guess it was more of a NYC area thing.

While this incident was bizarre, I think the Athetic article shows that Saleh has major leadership issues…and possibly even paranoia.

As you said…surprised it happened so quickly.
 
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Jetskies said:
guys which do you think happens first

  • UConn makes it to the CFP
  • Jets make it to the super bowl (not even win, just MAKE it)


lol
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Dolphins just hired a guy who lost to UConn football.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Some of these head coaching moves are puzzling.

Saleh has talked his way into another shot at Tenn. Saleh seems like he can run a good defense but he really struggled as a leader of a team. Those reports in The Athletic about the Jets culture were pretty damning. I guess they are hoping he learned from his Jets experience?

And Hafley to the Dolphins. Last I saw him he was failing as the BC head coach. I don’t follow the Packers that closely…has their defense been so good the DC should get hired away?

I think Stefanski is a good hire by the Falcons. He was dealt a crappy hand in Cleveland. I also think it was smart to keep Ulbrich as DC.

Not sure about the Bills firing McDermott. You only do that if that is what Josh Allen wants. Who do they think will be better…Daboll? I wonder if Allen missed his OC so they made the move to bring him back?

I am kinda glad the Jets are not in this hiring cycle…lots of top jobs available and the Jets would just get table scraps.
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Saleh runs good stadium steps.
 
Am I the only one thinks Harbaugh is a tad overrated? Giants fans are acting like they are getting peak Parcells.

Here are the coaches coaching today who I think are better:

Reid
McVay
Payton
Shanahan

Coaches who are close:
Lafleur
Vrabel
Campbell
Tomlin
Mike MacDonald

So why do Giants fans feel they need to give Harbaugh whatever he wants because they think they are lucky to get him?

Don’t get me wrong…I would still take him if I was the Jets, but I would take all of the coaches listed above ahead of him.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Am I the only one thinks Harbaugh is a tad overrated? Giants fans are acting like they are getting peak Parcells.

Here are the coaches coaching today who I think are better:

Reid
McVay
Payton
Shanahan

Coaches who are close:
Lafleur
Vrabel
Campbell
Tomlin
Mike MacDonald

So why do Giants fans feel they need to give Harbaugh whatever he wants because they think they are lucky to get him?

Don’t get me wrong…I would still take him if I was the Jets, but I would take all of the coaches listed above ahead of him.
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Absolutely. It's a very common situation. Former SB winning coach heads to a new team and fans feel like they can now contend for an SB.

The fact is, statistically no SB winning coach has ever won another SB at a future team.

What you do get, and what I'd kill for as a Jets fan, is a coach that knows how to run a camp, how to make it a professional, competitive franchise year in and year out. You don't have any learning curve as you would with an OC/DC making the jump and he usually brings along or attracts top talent on the coaching staff. No doubt he'll do all that with the Giants....but the odds of them winning a Super Bowl with him are low.
 
i'd still rather have had him and an actual shot at the playoffs, even if the chances of making a SB on his 2nd team are low and there's no historical precedent for it (I didn't know that).

The Giants will be back before we will, just like the patriots before them.
you guys know how this AGlenn movie goes. Woody will hire his next unproven cheap coordinator as a rookie HC, while Vrabel kisses a lombardi trophy and bostonians begin the gloating fest all over again.

15 years.
Gary V where are you?!
 
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Jetskies said:
i'd still rather have had him and an actual shot at the playoffs, even if the chances of making a SB on his 2nd team are low and there's no historical precedent for it (I didn't know that).

The Giants will be back before we will, just like the patriots before them.
you guys know how this AGlenn movie goes. Woody will hire his next unproven cheap coordinator as a rookie HC, while Vrabel kisses a lombardi trophy and bostonians begin the gloating fest all over again.

15 years.
Gary V where are you?!
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I agree…I said I would love to have him on the Jets. My point was that Giants are acting like they just got the best coach in the NFL and I listed 9 coaches I would rather have.
 
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Deepster said:
Absolutely. It's a very common situation. Former SB winning coach heads to a new team and fans feel like they can now contend for an SB.

The fact is, statistically no SB winning coach has ever won another SB at a future team.

What you do get, and what I'd kill for as a Jets fan, is a coach that knows how to run a camp, how to make it a professional, competitive franchise year in and year out. You don't have any learning curve as you would with an OC/DC making the jump and he usually brings along or attracts top talent on the coaching staff. No doubt he'll do all that with the Giants....but the odds of them winning a Super Bowl with him are low.
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Yeah that is true. He is a true professional and you will trust that he is building the right culture and routines to have a solid organization.

It feels like every training camp, the Jets are doing something unique that doesn’t make sense. How about the “we don’t need to go to the combine..we got this” by Saleh and Douglas. Other than 1 draft…Douglas was a failure.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Yeah that is true. He is a true professional and you will trust that he is building the right culture and routines to have a solid organization.

It feels like every training camp, the Jets are doing something unique that doesn’t make sense. How about the “we don’t need to go to the combine..we got this” by Saleh and Douglas. Other than 1 draft…Douglas was a failure.
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ALL GAS, NO BRAKES!!!
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Am I the only one thinks Harbaugh is a tad overrated? Giants fans are acting like they are getting peak Parcells.

Here are the coaches coaching today who I think are better:

Reid
McVay
Payton
Shanahan

Coaches who are close:
Lafleur
Vrabel
Campbell
Tomlin
Mike MacDonald

So why do Giants fans feel they need to give Harbaugh whatever he wants because they think they are lucky to get him?

Don’t get me wrong…I would still take him if I was the Jets, but I would take all of the coaches listed above ahead of him.
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People called Payton washed when his tour with Saints ended. The Broncos were in cap hell yet just a few years later he turned it all around. Harbaugh is a pro coach who will be worth the money. That's how you win these days. Pay for a good coach.
 
Deepster said:
Absolutely. It's a very common situation. Former SB winning coach heads to a new team and fans feel like they can now contend for an SB.

The fact is, statistically no SB winning coach has ever won another SB at a future team.

What you do get, and what I'd kill for as a Jets fan, is a coach that knows how to run a camp, how to make it a professional, competitive franchise year in and year out. You don't have any learning curve as you would with an OC/DC making the jump and he usually brings along or attracts top talent on the coaching staff. No doubt he'll do all that with the Giants....but the odds of them winning a Super Bowl with him are low.
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As a Giants fan I'm not gonna get excited until I see the results on the field and see them consistently. There's no doubt though this is the best Giants hire since Coughlin. Most excited about hiring Harbaugh is how his coaching staff will turn out. It's more of a safer hire, if he's good and the team develops in the long run, whether they win a Super Bowl or not will depend on Jaxson Dart being the guy and getting lucky at the right time.

Winning a Super Bowl is unlikely sure for anyone. It is a bit of a random stat of no coach after winning a superbowl not winning another one for another franchise . No qb won a 2nd Super Bowl for another franchise until Peyton Manning did it I believe so there's always a 1st time for something.

If Reid won a Super Bowl in Philly would that have been a mistake hire by the Chiefs. So the Rams won it 99 because Vermeil didn't win a Super Bowl with the Eagles in 1980. Would Kevin Dyson have broken that tackle and brought the game into OT and won in OT if the Eagles win the Super Bowl in 1980 hmm.
 
Waquoit said:
People called Payton washed when his tour with Saints ended. The Broncos were in cap hell yet just a few years later he turned it all around. Harbaugh is a pro coach who will be worth the money. That's how you win these days. Pay for a good coach.
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I agree with what you are saying…but do you great that Harbaugh is a solid coach..worth the money..but he is not a top 10 coach in the NFL?
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Am I the only one thinks Harbaugh is a tad overrated? Giants fans are acting like they are getting peak Parcells.

Here are the coaches coaching today who I think are better:

Reid
McVay
Payton
Shanahan

Coaches who are close:
Lafleur
Vrabel
Campbell
Tomlin
Mike MacDonald

So why do Giants fans feel they need to give Harbaugh whatever he wants because they think they are lucky to get him?

Don’t get me wrong…I would still take him if I was the Jets, but I would take all of the coaches listed above ahead of him.
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So that puts him as a top 5-10 coach in the NFL. You also might notice 8 of the 9 names you listed made the playoffs this year, that's why fans are excited. At a minimum you have a competent coach for a franchise that has been one of the biggest losers in the NFL for a decade plus.

Will he win a Super Bowl for the Giants? Probably not. But neither do 95% of other coaches. His tenure as a Giant is already a success for no reason other than he convinced the organization to get rid of the nepo baby hires who have hung around for 30 years doing absolutely nothing
 
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