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If Boston didn't win last night, I don't think they had chance to advance.
 
Husky25 said:
If Boston didn't win last night, I don't think they had chance to advance.
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I agree and I believe that since the wildcard become a best of three series, the winner of game 1 always wins the series. Of course that can change at any time. ESPN has NY favored at 59% today with Radon vs Bello. Crochet is a horse and he needed to win yesterday.
 
HCCForever said:
I agree and I believe that since the wildcard become a best of three series, the winner of game 1 always wins the series. Of course that can change at any time. ESPN has NY favored at 59% today with Radon vs Bello. Crochet is a horse and he needed to win yesterday.
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You're correct. Game 1 winner has won every series so far. I really hate the 2-1 format and I think it wildly favors the home team. No team should play a playoff series with the possibility of losing the series without a game at home.

I'm worried about a RH pitcher going tonight for Boston against that lineup, but Bello does keep the ball down. Yanks have lefty Rodon, which means the weaker Boston lineup, but they have roughed him up so far this year.
 
HuskyHawk said:
You're correct. Game 1 winner has won every series so far. I really hate the 2-1 format and I think it wildly favors the home team. No team should play a playoff series with the possibility of losing the series without a game at home.

I'm worried about a RH pitcher going tonight for Boston against that lineup, but Bello does keep the ball down. Yanks have lefty Rodon, which means the weaker Boston lineup, but they have roughed him up so far this year.
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So much for that. It's all about pitching in the playoffs and losing Giolito in late Sept. did no favors for the Sox (Niether did Bello only going 2.1 in game 2).
 
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Husky25 said:
So much for that. It's all about pitching in the playoffs and losing Giolito in late Sept. did no favors for the Sox (Niether did Bello only going 2.1 in game 2.1.).
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I hate losing to the Yanks.but Sox weren’t expected to do much in a best of five or seven with their lack of starters. I’m not as bummed as other years when they fail to advance.
 
Woulda won if they had Devers. But winning isn't as important as payroll flexibility.
 
Waquoit said:
Woulda won if they had Devers. But winning isn't as important as payroll flexibility.
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Think so? I have my doubts.

The Red Sox were barely treading water, if even doing that well, on June 15. They went 72-60, post trade and and made the playoffs. Devers also refused to play 1B when Casas went down.

The Giants were 10 games over .500 at the time of the trade and ended the season 81-81. Other than playing 1B when the Giants asked him to, there is virtually nothing Devers did better in his last 90 games than in the 1st 73. Further, compare that that to Roman Anthony, Devers' replacement in the lineup. In 19 less games, Anthony had only 4 less hits in 78 less ABs, more doubles, 32 less Ks, and better percentages in all three slash categories than Devers.

Offensively, Anthony's injury and subsequent absence was the backbreaker. By virtue of the tie breaker, The Red Sox held the top Wild Card spot and only 2.5 behind Toronto on September 2.
 
Husky25 said:
Think so? I have my doubts.

The Red Sox were barely treading water, if even doing that well, on June 15. They went 72-60, post trade and and made the playoffs. Devers also refused to play 1B when Casas went down.

The Giants were 10 games over .500 at the time of the trade and ended the season 81-81. Other than playing 1B when the Giants asked him to, there is virtually nothing Devers did better in his last 90 games than in the 1st 73. Further, compare that that to Roman Anthony, Devers' replacement in the lineup. In 19 less games, Anthony had only 4 less hits in 78 less ABs, more doubles, 32 less Ks, and better percentages in all three slash categories than Devers.

Offensively, Anthony's injury and subsequent absence was the backbreaker. By virtue of the tie breaker, The Red Sox held the top Wild Card spot and only 2.5 behind Toronto on September 2.
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I don't think they even make the playoffs if they keep Devers. The team clearly didn't work with him on it. Would have won this series with a healthy Anthony. By the end of the season we had no Casas, no Anthony, no Mayer and Bregman had been worn down. I don't see how he can opt out at this point. He's a very good player who is going to need the Sox to play Mayer at 3B quite often to keep him fresh.
 
For the Devers defenders, Breslow is taking a beating on social media. He's dry, robotic, and nowhere as charismatic as Theo, but I don't know what Boston fans wanted. The players on the field overachieved. Boston lost their offensive catalyst and #2 pitcher before the playoffs, but well after the trade deadline. Could he have gotten another #2-3 pitcher? Yes, but at what cost for a team that everyone knew was not quite there?

They should compete for a deep run next season and hopefully for as long as Crochet is healthy and wants to be here. As I see it, the field is pretty much set. The Sox will be in the market for a couple bench/platoon players, 1B, at least one starter, and bullpen help.

Pretty much like every other team.
 
Husky25 said:
For the Devers defenders, Breslow is taking a beating on social media. He's dry, robotic, and nowhere as charismatic as Theo, but I don't know what Boston fans wanted. The players on the field overachieved. Boston lost their offensive catalyst and #2 pitcher before the playoffs, but well after the trade deadline. Could he have gotten another #2-3 pitcher? Yes, but at what cost for a team that everyone knew was not quite there?

They should compete for a deep run next season and hopefully for as long as Crochet is healthy and wants to be here. As I see it, the field is pretty much set. The Sox will be in the market for a couple bench/platoon players, 1B, at least one starter, and bullpen help.

Pretty much like every other team.
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Honestly, I think TB dropping even futher below .500 as they were in 2024, and the Orioles winning 16 fewer games this year than they did in 2024 sorta propped up the Sox into a WC.

That said, Duran was a disaster in LF this series. Had he made that catch right in front of him in game 2, and Eaton simply followed the advice of third base coach Kyle Hudson (who was windmilling him home), there's a really good chance the Sox would've swept NY in the Bronx.

As it turned out, mental gaffes and physical errors plagued Boston and it was too much to overcome.
 
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They had the series won with game two. A really bad job of them not doing the little things that would've gotten them that win.
If only Story hit that 400 foot line drive to a gap instead of straight away to the 408 sign.

Schittler and bad defense finished us in game 3. I thought Early threw really well and might be a nice number 3 in upcoming years.

In the end we somehow lost 75% of our pitching depth between Boston and Worcester to injury. Not to mention Casas, Anthony and Mayer. Need to figure a way to stay on the field.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I don't think they even make the playoffs if they keep Devers. The team clearly didn't work with him on it. Would have won this series with a healthy Anthony. By the end of the season we had no Casas, no Anthony, no Mayer and Bregman had been worn down. I don't see how he can opt out at this point. He's a very good player who is going to need the Sox to play Mayer at 3B quite often to keep him fresh.
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Injuries are a part of the game. Yankees had to play around no Gerrit Cole, Clarke Scmidt, and Jake Cousins all getting Tommy John surgery and no Jonathan Loaisiga. The better team won the series.
 
superjohn said:
Injuries are a part of the game. Yankees had to play around no Gerrit Cole, Clarke Scmidt, and Jake Cousins all getting Tommy John surgery and no Jonathan Loaisiga. The better team won the series.
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Which has nothing to do with Devers. Sox are very young, lots of talent but it hasn’t all matured yet. Couldn’t handle the injuries as well as an older, deeper team. It’s fine, I can’t complain because the future is so bright. Both teams have more talent than Toronto and yet they played better ball. Baseball is weird sometimes.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Which has nothing to do with Devers. Sox are very young, lots of talent but it hasn’t all matured yet. Couldn’t handle the injuries as well as an older, deeper team. It’s fine, I can’t complain because the future is so bright. Both teams have more talent than Toronto and yet they played better ball. Baseball is weird sometimes.
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I was talking about you saying the Red Sox would have won the series with a healthy Anthony.
 
superjohn said:
I was talking about you saying the Red Sox would have won the series with a healthy Anthony.
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They would have. He had become their best position player. Probably would have without Duran’s error on Wednesday. As for Cole, the Sox wreck him, ERA vs Boston has been 4.9 of higher (much higher) four years in a row. But yes, the Yanks were better equipped to handle injuries. Go Jays!

One thing I don’t understand, why is Toronto not playing the #6 seed? Why do they set the bracket ahead of time instead of just having the high seed play the lowest remaining seed?
 
HuskyHawk said:
They would have. He had become their best position player. Probably would have without Duran’s error on Wednesday. As for Cole, the Sox wreck him, ERA vs Boston has been 4.9 of higher (much higher) four years in a row. But yes, the Yanks were better equipped to handle injuries. Go Jays!

One thing I don’t understand, why is Toronto not playing the #6 seed? Why do they set the bracket ahead of time instead of just having the high seed play the lowest remaining seed?
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Love the excuses. Red Sox lost to the better team.

Wrong, Rafael Devers wrecks Cole.

Last night lineup vs Cole-

Jarren Duran 3-17
Trevor Story 4-19
Alex Bregman 4-22
Masataka Yoshida 3-10
Ceddanne Rafaela never faced Cole
Nick Lowe 4-17
Carlos Narvaez has never face Cole
Wilyer Abreu 1-5
Romy Gonzalez never faced Cole

Roman Anthony never faced Cole

Rafael Devers 14-40 vs Cole with 8 homers and 20 rbi
 
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Can someone tell me how to actually pronounce Jhostynxon?

Also, is he any good?
 
storrsroars said:
Can someone tell me how to actually pronounce Jhostynxon?

Also, is he any good?
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Jhostynxon is pronounced "
JOES-tin-son" or "YOS-tin-son". Because of the difficult spelling, he is often nicknamed "The Password" by fans and teammates
 
storrsroars said:
Can someone tell me how to actually pronounce Jhostynxon?

Also, is he any good?
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I just saw details of the trade? What is your opinion?

Full trade details, per Jeff Passan Mark Feinsand:

Boston receives RHP Johan Oviedo, LHP Tyler Samaniego, and C Adonys Guzman.

Pittsburgh receives OF Jhostynxon Garcia and RHP Jesus Travieso.
 
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HCCForever said:
I just saw details of the trade? What is your opinion?

Full trade details, per Jeff Passan Mark Feinsand:

Boston receives RHP Johan Oviedo, LHP Tyler Samaniego, and C Adonys Guzman.

Pittsburgh receives OF Jhostynxon Garcia and RHP Jesus Travieso.
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I like Oviedo. The folks on my Pirates forums like him. To me, it seems more like the Pirates can't get what they want for Mitch Keller, so Oviedo was simply next to go as he has the least team control. I don't know a ton about Boston's rotation beyond Crochet and Sonny Grey, but I'd be surprised if Oviedo doesn't become your 4 or 5 and possible work up to 3. Don't see why he wouldn't be a regular 2+ WAR starter.

Samaniego was a surprise addition to the 40 man, indicating there was interest in teams nabbing him in Rule 5. He would've been in AAA for us this year, maybe pen depth by summer. Guzman had 5 PAs in A ball, so who knows what he'll be.

From what I've read about Garcia, he Ks a ton. Just about everyone Ks a lot on the Pirates, so we're more interested in the type of K. Is it lack of bat speed/pitch recognition? Is it no plate discipline? Or does he watch called 3rd strikes with the bat on his shoulder? We are K connoisseurs here in Pittsburgh. Our OF sucks, so Garcia will get a spot, probably in LF, which is as big as CF in PNC.

I know nothing about Travieso or what he could bring, but there's a line out the door for all pitching spots for awhile.
 
storrsroars said:
I like Oviedo. The folks on my Pirates forums like him. To me, it seems more like the Pirates can't get what they want for Mitch Keller, so Oviedo was simply next to go as he has the least team control. I don't know a ton about Boston's rotation beyond Crochet and Sonny Grey, but I'd be surprised if Oviedo doesn't become your 4 or 5 and possible work up to 3. Don't see why he wouldn't be a regular 2+ WAR starter.

Samaniego was a surprise addition to the 40 man, indicating there was interest in teams nabbing him in Rule 5. He would've been in AAA for us this year, maybe pen depth by summer. Guzman had 5 PAs in A ball, so who knows what he'll be.

From what I've read about Garcia, he Ks a ton. Just about everyone Ks a lot on the Pirates, so we're more interested in the type of K. Is it lack of bat speed/pitch recognition? Is it no plate discipline? Or does he watch called 3rd strikes with the bat on his shoulder? We are K connoisseurs here in Pittsburgh. Our OF sucks, so Garcia will get a spot, probably in LF, which is as big as CF in PNC.

I know nothing about Travieso or what he could bring, but there's a line out the door for all pitching spots for awhile.
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thanks. Besides Crochet and Grey, the Sox also have Bryan Bello in the rotation. Although Grey may be the number two starter, many fans think he should be no higher than fourth. Oviedo should help the rotation.
 
storrsroars said:
Can someone tell me how to actually pronounce Jhostynxon?

Also, is he any good?
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Password. That's why he has the nickname.

Sox Prospects does a good job breaking down players. He was behind at least 4 and possibly 5 other young outfielders in Boston, hence the trade. He didn't strike out quite so much until AAA, so I think it was partly an adjustment he needs to make.
Jhostynxon Garcia | SoxProspects.com
 
The Sox need a #2. Gray is not that, Neither is Bello. Other than the kids, they have Crochet, 2 #3s at best, and a couple, two/tree others who can spot start if their arms are stretched out.

I hope Breslow is not banking on the kids to go lights out to start the season.
 
Husky25 said:
The Sox need a #2. Gray is not that, Neither is Bello. Other than the kids, they have Crochet, 2 #3s at best, and a couple, two/tree others who can spot start if their arms are stretched out.

I hope Breslow is not banking on the kids to go lights out to start the season.
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He's got about 8 Major League starters at the moment. My guess is that they view Gray as a 2-3 and Oviedo as a 3-4. Bello is a 3-4. Can any one of Tolle, Early or Harrison become a #2? Absolutely. Are they relying on that? I doubt it. Witherspoon is possibly an ace too, but is a year or two away.

I like these moves because the Sox can now move Perales and/or whoever they consider most expendable among Harrison and Early to get that #2. I don't think they know yet what that looks like, but with a surplus of controlled starters and outfielders, they have assets to make that trade. Garcia was never going to crack the lineup, so this is a good move. I think Oviedo also has potential as a closer.
 
Damn, I forgot about Sandoval and some others. The pitching depth is nuts.

 
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