The Official 2024 NY Giants Thread

[CardiacAndre7]

Why would the Giants want Hunter with Nabers already in the fold? Wouldn’t that be an awful lot of money invested in a WR and WR/CB?

Because whoever is QB is gonna need weapons. Nabers is great, Tracy looks to be a steal, but we have like no one else on offense. Our TE’s are mediocre, Slayton is gone, Wandale is fine, no other WR talent to speak of.

 

[Deepster]

Because whoever is QB is gonna need weapons. Nabers is great, Tracy looks to be a steal, but we have like no one else on offense. Our TE’s are mediocre, Slayton is gone, Wandale is fine, no other WR talent to speak of.

I get that but once the rookie deals are up you’re going to have a large percent of salary invested at WR. Look at how cincy can’t keep Higgins and Chase and had to let mixon go. Or the cowboys with Dak and Lamb and now struggling to sign Parsons.

 

[navery12]

Why would the Giants want Hunter with Nabers already in the fold? Wouldn’t that be an awful lot of money invested in a WR and WR/CB?

I have no problem investing that much money into WR. I don't want Hunter but not for that reason. I think the chances of him playing both sides of the ball are very slim. And if you take that out of the equation he's neither the best WR or best CB available

 

[Deepster]

I have no problem investing that much money into WR. I don't want Hunter but not for that reason. I think the chances of him playing both sides of the ball are very slim. And if you take that out of the equation he's neither the best WR or best CB available

That's fine, but with no QB right now, that means if you wanted to keep Hunter and Nabers:

a) You can't sign a good FA QB,
b) You have to find someone you could potentially start 1-2 years down the road after the 1st rd of this draft.

You couldn't say, gave Sam Darnold a 5 year deal.

I guess my whole point of this is, it's going to be very tricky and telling of your future to get the pick right....and the QB situation right so it meshes well 3+ years from now.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

That's fine, but with no QB right now, that means if you wanted to keep Hunter and Nabers:

a) You can't sign a good FA QB,
b) You have to find someone you could potentially start 1-2 years down the road after the 1st rd of this draft.

You couldn't say, gave Sam Darnold a 5 year deal.

I guess my whole point of this is, it's going to be very tricky and telling of your future to get the pick right....and the QB situation right so it meshes well 3+ years from now.

Well we likely aren’t getting Sanders or Ward no matter what. So we gotta draft someone else.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

That's fine, but with no QB right now, that means if you wanted to keep Hunter and Nabers:

a) You can't sign a good FA QB,
b) You have to find someone you could potentially start 1-2 years down the road after the 1st rd of this draft.

You couldn't say, gave Sam Darnold a 5 year deal.

I guess my whole point of this is, it's going to be very tricky and telling of your future to get the pick right....and the QB situation right so it meshes well 3+ years from now.

You have us there.

Sadly, we haven't had the success of say, the Jets, so unlike the Jets, getting our picks right in this draft is important for our future.

 

[Deepster]

You have us there.

Sadly, we haven't had the success of say, the Jets, so unlike the Jets, getting our picks right in this draft is important for our future.

This isn’t a Jets thread. There is one though and I’m quite honest on it if you want to talk about them.

I like the Giants. And their path out of this mess isn’t an easy one. It’s even worse if Dabol isn’t the guy, gets canned next year and wasted another year of you trying to build something.

 

[Deepster]

Well we likely aren’t getting Sanders or Ward no matter what. So we gotta draft someone else.

You could go with Hunter, get a one year stop gap FA QB and blow the wad to either move up in next years draft for your QB or throw a bag of money at a good FA QB next year.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

This isn’t a Jets thread. There is one though and I’m quite honest on it if you want to talk about them.

I like the Giants. And their path out of this mess isn’t an easy one. It’s even worse if Dabol isn’t the guy, gets canned next year and wasted another year of you trying to build something.

In all candor I personally don't believe that Daboll is the guy, nor do I believe that Schoen is the guy. If necessary I can elaborate later, but in a nutshell, about six minutes into his second season with the Giants, Daboll began running schemes that highlighted the team's weaknesses, in contrast to year one where the MO was to protect them.

I'm not sure if Hunter can be something special. If the plan is to play him primarily at CB, with a handful of plays at WR each game, I would want to be sure that he is the top CB in this draft (he may not be). If they want him as a WR, I wouldn't spend a top five pick on a WR.

One thing I'm currently happy about (although I fear it could be a smokescreen) is the Giants don't appear to be looking to draft a QB early solely because some think you have to. If a mediocre QB is what you want, there are plenty on the scrap heap, you don't need to waste a top three pick to get one.

I still maintain that the reason the Giants are where we are at the moment (this applies to a few teams) is due to far too many first round picks turning into busts over the past dozen plus years. We can claim we drafted well in the first round (only counting players we still have) with Thomas & Lawrence, Nabors appears great, the jury is still out on Thibodaux while both Neal and Banks each need a major turnaround to avoid being busts. That isn't a lot to show for a lot of first round picks since we beat the Pats in Indianapolis.

 

[navery12]

You could go with Hunter, get a one year stop gap FA QB and blow the wad to either move up in next years draft for your QB or throw a bag of money at a good FA QB next year.

They won't even need to trade up. The Giants will be lucky to win more than 3 games next year, they'll be in prime position to take a QB

 

[Deepster]

In all candor I personally don't believe that Daboll is the guy, nor do I believe that Schoen is the guy. If necessary I can elaborate later, but in a nutshell, about six minutes into his second season with the Giants, Daboll began running schemes that highlighted the team's weaknesses, in contrast to year one where the MO was to protect them.

I'm not sure if Hunter can be something special. If the plan is to play him primarily at CB, with a handful of plays at WR each game, I would want to be sure that he is the top CB in this draft (he may not be). If they want him as a WR, I wouldn't spend a top five pick on a WR.

One thing I'm currently happy about (although I fear it could be a smokescreen) is the Giants don't appear to be looking to draft a QB early solely because some think you have to. If a mediocre QB is what you want, there are plenty on the scrap heap, you don't need to waste a top three pick to get one.

I still maintain that the reason the Giants are where we are at the moment (this applies to a few teams) is due to far too many first round picks turning into busts over the past dozen plus years. We can claim we drafted well in the first round (only counting players we still have) with Thomas & Lawrence, Nabors appears great, the jury is still out on Thibodaux while both Neal and Banks each need a major turnaround to avoid being busts. That isn't a lot to show for a lot of first round picks since we beat the Pats in Indianapolis.

Hunter as a CB is interesting.

He has maybe the best CB of all time as a coach. He’s also on a team that is built on hype and not on results. In the last two years, Colorado has 0 wins against ranked teams.

I could probably see him being a top 10 NFL CB and used like Deebo Samuel as a gadget. But going back to a prior post, is that worth investing a top picks contract on when you have Nabers too.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Well we likely aren’t getting Sanders or Ward no matter what. So we gotta draft someone else.

You never know. Reports are that several teams do not have Sanders with a 1st round grade and some have Jaxson Dart ahead of him. Senior Bowl and Combine coming up and the names will shuffle a bit. There will be some big risers.

While I think Hunter probably is the best WR in this draft (not sold on Tet at all) he's probably the #2 CB behind Johnson (especially for teams needing an outside CB, Hunter is probably the better slot CB). It is possible Hunter goes #2 to Cleveland. If not, then the Giants can perhaps trade back.

Good news for Giants is the draft is loaded at RB.

 

[Husky25]

You never know. Reports are that several teams do not have Sanders with a 1st round grade and some have Jaxson Dart ahead of him. Senior Bowl and Combine coming up and the names will shuffle a bit. There will be some big risers.

While I think Hunter probably is the best WR in this draft (not sold on Tet at all) he's probably the #2 CB behind Johnson (especially for teams needing an outside CB, Hunter is probably the better slot CB). It is possible Hunter goes #2 to Cleveland. If not, then the Giants can perhaps trade back.

Good news for Giants is the draft is loaded at RB.

Saw one particular mock that predicts Las Vegas trade up with Cleveland for Sanders. Have not seen anything that doesn't have Ward going to Tennessee. Hunter to the Giants is on quite a few boards. I've heard that he would primarily play CB but have a package of 20 plays on offense.

The Giant taking an early RB again while they are in the shape they are would be such a Mara move. For the Giants' sake, I would hope Schoen is smarter than to allow Mara to force him into a Gettleman. Which RB would you think sells enough jerseys to make such a move worth while (Yes, I believe the Barkley pick was a business decision over a football one.)?

 

[HuskyHawk]

Saw one particular mock that predicts Las Vegas trade up with Cleveland for Sanders. Have not seen anything that doesn't have Ward going to Tennessee. Hunter to the Giants is on quite a few boards. I've heard that he would primarily play CB but have a package of 20 plays on offense.

The Giant taking an early RB again while they are in the shape they are would be such a Mara move. For the Giants' sake, I would hope Schoen is smarter than to allow Mara to force him into a Gettleman. Which RB would you think sells enough jerseys to make such a move worth while (Yes, I believe the Barkley pick was a business decision over a football one.)?

Yes, I think Ward goes #1. Browns trading back would be smart. Hunter is expected to be full time CB and part time WR, but really could be a fairly elite slot WR with Nabers on the outside. So he could work nicely for the Giants.

I don't expect a high pick at RB, just that the depth is there. Guys like Bucky Irving who went round 4 last year and were great will be available late. I expect Jaxson Dart to slide up into round1, but if he doesn't the Giants pick 2nd in round 2. Milroe will probably be round 2.

 

[navery12]

Yes, I think Ward goes #1. Browns trading back would be smart. Hunter is expected to be full time CB and part time WR, but really could be a fairly elite slot WR with Nabers on the outside. So he could work nicely for the Giants.

I don't expect a high pick at RB, just that the depth is there. Guys like Bucky Irving who went round 4 last year and were great will be available late. I expect Jaxson Dart to slide up into round1, but if he doesn't the Giants pick 2nd in round 2. Milroe will probably be round 2.

Giants don't need a RB and have a ton of other needs so I'd be surprised if they even draft one. If they do it won't be before round 5 or 6

 

[Scoe]

If Abdul Carter is available that's hard to pass up.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

If the Giants draft Abdul Carter with the third pick, they had better have a trade already in place where someone is willing to overpay for either Burns or Thibodaux. A DE (who is really a pass rushing OLB) is far from a pressing need for this team.

The defense needs at least one CB (Banks has talent, was a head case for a while, then after returning from witness protection appeared to have his head screwed on straight) and I would love someone close to Dexter Lawrence's profile lining up next to him.

Shy of trading people away we have no need to draft an edge rusher, WR, RB or safety earlier than round four and I don't believe we have a pressing need at inside LB.

 

[Scoe]

If the Giants draft Abdul Carter with the third pick, they had better have a trade already in place where someone is willing to overpay for either Burns or Thibodaux. A DE (who is really a pass rushing OLB) is far from a pressing need for this team.

The defense needs at least one CB (Banks has talent, was a head case for a while, then after returning from witness protection appeared to have his head screwed on straight) and I would love someone close to Dexter Lawrence's profile lining up next to him.

Shy of trading people away we have no need to draft an edge rusher, WR, RB or safety earlier than round four and I don't believe we have a pressing need at inside LB.

Everything is a need for this team, Thibodeaux hasn't improved since his rookie year. Drafting Kadarius Toney over Micah Parsons how did that go, because ya know need.

 

[navery12]

Everything is a need for this team, Thibodeaux hasn't improved since his rookie year. Drafting Kadarius Toney over Micah Parsons how did that go, because ya know need.

Thibodeaux was quietly better this year, but I agree with the overall premise of not passing on Carter because of it. All 3 of those pass rushers could easily play together

 

[Scoe]

Thibodeaux was quietly better this year, but I agree with the overall premise of not passing on Carter because of it. All 3 of those pass rushers could easily play together

This might sound unfair but Kayvon should be an all pro right now, pro bowl level at least. His production just isn't good enough for his talent.