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Pudge said:
I don't agree with upstater on East Hartford. That Big open field with just the Stadium is calling for some answer.

I was answering narrowly. The people who put together the concept for Storrs Center is soon to break ground in New Haven ... and they have a sizable prospective project in Hartford. Educational facilites and Medical ... in case you haven't noticed ... are core anchors for a lot of what works in these cities. (Providence and New Haven as examples). There are huge possibilities at Rentschler. (but that's not the target site) This becomes a little Disney-esque. I see Public Transportation as crucial ... yeah I am a greenie. But, you derive the highest Sales/Rent per Square feet mostly because you create exciting retail and mixed use. Walkable cities. Cars are the last thing I want to plan for; necessary evil.
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I agree. I don't think a satelite college is the answer either. I'll ask again: Why take UConn-Hartford out of West Hartford only to move it to another, less accomodating 'burb? I think downtown is the exact correct location. Now, if they put the campus north of Morgan Street (which I think is one of the proposed sites), I think they cut off their nose to spite their face. Downtown highrises are screaming to be used. Most of the infrastructure is already there. C'mon CRDA. Help yourself out by helping them out.
 
Any open fields around the rent should simply be that. When we expand the stadium we will need more parking.

If with stadium expansion there is still room to build anything the only thing I can see there is retail and restaurants. An open air type mall. Maybe a Dave & Busters. I just don't know if the area wants/needs the retail. So leave it be.

As for UConn Hartford. It should be downtown. There should be little debate. They should follow the Stamford branch model and partner with local corporations. It's a win win.
 
Waquoit said:
First you say poor people shouldn't have sex, than this? Wow.
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Is there an award show for intentionally misrepresenting a post? You are a shoe in for a 'Waylon' in the category for total misrepresentation combined with just a hint of race baiting. Congrats.
 
whaler11 said:
I'm not missing his point at all. He's talking about a fantasy theoretical world. I'm talking about the actual reality that makes things like riding a bike to downtown Hartford unrealistic for more than a tiny fraction of the population.

What percentage of the population of the people that would attend the school would live within walking distance. 1%?

Build it in Hartford if it's good for the city but please - the little public transportation we have can be easily rerouted to East Hartford and don't pretend people are going to be riding bikes.
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You are missing his point. He's not saying that people will ride their bikes TO Hartford, he's saying that people would ride their bikes WITHIN Hartford.
 
The Funster said:
You are missing his point. He's not saying that people will ride their bikes TO Hartford, he's saying that people would ride their bikes WITHIN Hartford.
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In all fairness, there is a bike trail that runs into Hartford from the east adjacent to I-84.
 
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Buses and bikes. It's definitely a slow news day in the CR world.
 
I lived in Hartford for four years; I rode the bus.

I thought the city had some solid things to build on. While it does not have the best food, I thought it had a nice mix of upscale dining and cheaper ethnic food (great little places like Piolin); and, while it's bar scene isn't as good as a larger city's like Boston's (or, larger, NYC), I thought it was okay in my younger days.

It certainly has a way to go to revitalize itself, but bringing in more college students, and investing in ways that help them find entertainment within the city will help.
 
The Funster said:
You are missing his point. He's not saying that people will ride their bikes TO Hartford, he's saying that people would ride their bikes WITHIN Hartford.
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Then I look forward to checking back in ten years and you guys can mock me with the active biking community.
 
whaler11 said:
Then I look forward to checking back in ten years and you guys can mock me with the active biking community.
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In ten years the only thing I'll have to do with the biking community is making skid marks. Not that I don't do that now, mind you...
 
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whaler11 said:
Then I look forward to checking back in ten years and you guys can mock me with the active biking community.
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If gas prices keep rising, there will be no need to wait.
 
Husky25 said:
If gas prices keep rising, there will be no need to wait.
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I must have missed the huge number of people who turned to their bikes when gas prices were actually rising.
 
whaler11 said:
Is there an award show for intentionally misrepresenting a post? You are a shoe in for a 'Waylon' in the category for total misrepresentation combined with just a hint of race baiting. Congrats.
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Yeah ... but it's a funny misrepresentation. LOL
 
IN UNIVERSITY-CENTRIC cities:

Boston (#1 in the World in University Students per Capita); Montreal (#2 in the World in University Students per Capita); Providence, Albany, Worcester are all high in University Students per Capita.

Buses are great parts of that Urban Ecosystem. Bikes sure ... you should see the Bixi system that they have in various North American cities. Go ahead and run over someone. But, I want great developers of cities to put the cars away ... out on the fringe.
 
whaler11 said:
I must have missed the huge number of people who turned to their bikes when gas prices were actually rising.
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Well, there is threshold and it was breached for a period back in 2009. We have not been over it lately due to a number of reasons.

By the way, can you answer my question? If part of the reason to move was to get UConn-Hartford out of the 'Burb's, why go from one to another?

There is no better reason to put a satelite campus at Rentschler Field, than downtown. Whether E. Hartford can support it or not, the infrastructure is already in place downtown and the fewer the cars, the better. Greater Hartford is no longer known for insurance, but its got the most parking lots per capita...

If the area around Rentschler can support additional new buildings, then the most logical structures are for commerce. Shopping. Retail. Restaurants.Wouldn't it be nice to have another option after a game or concert (after security kicks you out) than a quesadilla from Margharitas' (I love'em but variety never killed anyone. Just the opposite. Monotony does)? Downtown is begging for a new life. East Hartford is not...
 
Pudge said:
IN UNIVERSITY-CENTRIC cities:

Boston (#1 in the World in University Students per Capita); Montreal (#2 in the World in University Students per Capita); Providence, Albany, Worcester are all high in University Students per Capita.

Buses are great parts of that Urban Ecosystem. Bikes sure ... you should see the Bixi system that they have in various North American cities. Go ahead and run over someone. But, I want great developers of cities to put the cars away ... out on the fringe.
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There are a lot of cities without universities with a lot of biking as well. Portland. Buffalo doesn't have many people roaming about, but it's got 4 big bikeshops within throwing distance of one another and a lot of riders.

I notice New Haven now has 3 big bike shops, but I didn't see many riders around.

Lots of bike lanes going up in my town.
 
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upstater said:
There are a lot of cities without universities with a lot of biking as well. Portland. Buffalo doesn't have many people roaming about, but it's got 4 big bikeshops within throwing distance of one another and a lot of riders.

I notice New Haven now has 3 big bike shops, but I didn't see many riders around.

Lots of bike lanes going up in my town.
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You should see Boise, ID. They have a greenway that runs along both sides of the river through the city and it is HEAVILY used. There are actually office buildings immediately adjacent and the bike racks are always full. It's fantastic. The only downside is it runs right beside Bronco Stadium and that hideous blue turf is impossible to tear your eyes from.
 
Husky25 said:
Well, there is threshold and it was breached for a period back in 2009. We have not been over it lately due to a number of reasons.

By the way, can you answer my question? If part of the reason to move was to get UConn-Hartford out of the 'Burb's, why go from one to another?

There is no better reason to put a satelite campus at Rentschler Field, than downtown. Whether E. Hartford can support it or not, the infrastructure is already in place downtown and the fewer the cars, the better. Greater Hartford is no longer known for insurance, but its got the most parking lots per capita...

If the area around Rentschler can support additional new buildings, then the most logical structures are for commerce. Shopping. Retail. Restaurants.Wouldn't it be nice to have another option after a game or concert (after security kicks you out) than a quesadilla from Margharitas' (I love'em but variety never killed anyone. Just the opposite. Monotony does)? Downtown is begging for a new life. East Hartford is not...
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I never said that East Hartford should be the location. I asked Upstater why EH would be a disaster. I disagree about public transportation being a big driver in the thought process since relatively few use it and you since it's buses you can just add/change routes.

Goodwin College has hardly been a disaster for example.
 
There are cities with great public transportation. This city is not one of them, and the ridiculous busway is not going to fix/change that.

Maybe better public transportation would lead to higher utilization, but what we have now is not going to ever see a meaningful increase.
 
EH is not necessarily a disaster, IMO. However, downtown is just the better choice. I've already listed the reasons. Many people take the buses into and around Hartford and many people take the buses that reach the 'Burbs. I see them on my commute every day and I no longer work anywhere near Hartford. The New Britain to Hartford busway being a disaster of a project has nothing to do with the metrobuses that currently serve the Greater Hartford Metropolitan Region. They are two different things. Don't let that political hackery of a project cloud your judgement...yet.
 
UConn Dan said:
Any open fields around the rent should simply be that. When we expand the stadium we will need more parking.

If with stadium expansion there is still room to build anything the only thing I can see there is retail and restaurants. An open air type mall. Maybe a Dave & Busters. I just don't know if the area wants/needs the retail. So leave it be.
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Mini UCONN village, with restaurants and a mini co-op.
 
CL82 said:
Mini UCONN village, with restaurants and a mini co-op.
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Yes, if they go retail, a UConn sports gear store is a must (co-op affiliated would be nice). I just don't think the 365 demand is there -- that area looks pretty depressed. Cabella's helps since it's a regional mega outdoor store that draws people.
 
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I dunno if the transportation problem would get better or used more when the branch is moved downtown. Really the only reason for it would be if enough people live downtown, without cars, and actually have somewhere they wanna go outside the downtown area. Currently I only see WH Center as a reason to take the bus from Hartford. However, the goal is to keep people in the city so I'd imagine, over time, you could find anything in WH Center in downtown. (Ideally long term)

Overall, it should be a huge shot in the arm (pardon the pun) for Hartford to get UConn in a preexisting building actually downtown. Not north of it or on the otherside of 84. People might even take the busway if they offer some kind of partnership with UConn and using student ID. I doubt it eould do much but who knows...

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