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What are people's thoughts on the charge circle being removed? I'm more intrigued as to how that will play out this season.
 
ju6381 said:
Any contact will disqualify a flop from being called.
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Not so. If the contact is legal, then a flop can still be called.

"Faking being fouled occurs when a player simulates being fouled or makes theatrical or exaggerated movements when there is no illegal contact by committing acts such as, but not limited to, overtly embellishing the impact of incidental contact on block/charge plays or attempted tries for goal (flopping), using a "head bob" to simulate illegal contact, or using any other tactics in order to create an opinion of being fouled and therefore gaining an advantage."
 
stamfordhusky said:
Not so. If the contact is legal, then a flop can still be called.

"Faking being fouled occurs when a player simulates being fouled or makes theatrical or exaggerated movements when there is no illegal contact by committing acts such as, but not limited to, overtly embellishing the impact of incidental contact on block/charge plays or attempted tries for goal (flopping), using a "head bob" to simulate illegal contact, or using any other tactics in order to create an opinion of being fouled and therefore gaining an advantage."
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Couldn't have explained it any better.......I totally agree
 
IMO much of the flopping will voluntarily stop, but may be replaced by players shouting out profanities instead as a way to get the attention of refs.
I like the new rule because it's needed.
 
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temery said:
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Now we need a clip of the human fainting goats, the Duke mens' basketball team. Around the time of Paulus/Scheyer they were especially egregious about it.
 
boontonbomber said:
Too much,in all sports, of trying to have perfect violation control. Deciding if a player has flopped? Really? What a crock! It's never going to be perfect , these reviews slow down the games, and,as a fan, I've gotten tired of these disruptions to the flow of games. Get rid of all reviews, accept the imperfections of refs,umps,etc, and let the games go on. Boy am I old, but it really has gotten out of control. Go back to the time when you could blame the officials for your team's loss.
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I agree about much of the above. The reviews in most sports today are a pain and perhaps should be limited to the last 2 minutes of each game if the score is within 10 points or so???? Call what you see.
 
Forego said:
NCAA basketball refs should take a page from the World Cup refs. In case you haven’t noticed, some of the futbol refs have reduced the number fouls they are calling, significantly. Obvious flops, minor pushes and feet entanglements are ignored or signaled as “play on” situations, unless the ref considers the foul was a dangerous play. When they don’t hear the ref’s whistle, It’s amazing how quickly the supposedly injured player, rolling around on the ground and grabbing a leg, stands up and runs back to the action. If you watched the women’s’ semi finals and final, the American referee did an outstanding job limiting play stoppages.
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Futbol is among the worst with flops. It can be a hard game to watch. Add in the many minutes of 0 to 0 scoring is like watching a no-hitter in baseball. Seems like many of us like a high scoring game, at least I do.
 
Dogstar said:
Yeah no, you can lower your shoulder and attack the paint but a defensive player has a right to his or her position, you as a offensive player can't displace tht player by initiating contact, it's called an Offensive foul, you can't just bowl people over, pushing a defensive player off or hooking with you off arm/ hand is an Offensive foul, if the defensive player has position and literally falls with minimum contact or before contact is made thn it's a flop, for better understanding of this watch any ND game.
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Clark is an incredibly unique talent who also commits an offensive foul almost every time she drives to the basket. In her defense, so does almost everybody else. That’s the way the modern game is officiated.
 
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stamfordhusky said:
Not so. If the contact is legal, then a flop can still be called.

"Faking being fouled occurs when a player simulates being fouled or makes theatrical or exaggerated movements when there is no illegal contact by committing acts such as, but not limited to, overtly embellishing the impact of incidental contact on block/charge plays or attempted tries for goal (flopping), using a "head bob" to simulate illegal contact, or using any other tactics in order to create an opinion of being fouled and therefore gaining an advantage."
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I don't feel like there are a ton of plays in a given game where people are fake falling all over the place (although there are definitely some great examples), but that dramatic "head bob" drives me crazy and I feel like I see it a lot more during a game. I do think there are certain players that tend to do it more than others too. It's not a judgment either because you see it in the WNBA also, but it did jump out to me in that rule. I love Nika but she is definitely one of them that likes her a head bob. LOL
 
I'm not sure if she really does it anymore, but Ionescu was the queen of the head bob when she was in college. Nearly every time she shot the ball.
 
What I can't wrap my mind around is that I'm starting to see football (ie pigskin) players faking injuries. The players from yesteryear are rolling over in their graves I'm sure.
 
boontonbomber said:
Get rid of all reviews, accept the imperfections of refs,umps,etc, and let the games go on. Boy am I old, but it really has gotten out of control.
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Good take but the reviews are of those one might like to protect. Two sides to every story. ;)
 
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wbbhoops278 said:
I don't feel like there are a ton of plays in a given game where people are fake falling all over the place (although there are definitely some great examples), but that dramatic "head bob" drives me crazy and I feel like I see it a lot more during a game. I do think there are certain players that tend to do it more than others too. It's not a judgment either because you see it in the WNBA also, but it did jump out to me in that rule. I love Nika but she is definitely one of them that likes her a head bob. LOL
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If it helps to avoid hitting hit on the noggin, I want Caroline head bobbing all the time.
 
I was watching an NBA game recently, and it seemed that everyone would fall backwards after taking a shot. The refs just ignored it and didn't call fouls. I think that's the way it should be handled.
 
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I watched Iowa the other day against VT and couldn't help but notice how many times CC turned very little contact into an assault. So the question is if you are going to call it on the defense will you also do it when the offensive player puts on an acting clinic?
 
Rowdy831 said:
I watched Iowa the other day against VT and couldn't help but notice how many times CC turned very little contact into an assault. So the question is if you are going to call it on the defense will you also do it when the offensive player puts on an acting clinic?
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Probably not, at least not consistently. Though they should. I can’t stand it when the offensive player comes driving in and then acts like the defensive player should have just simply stepped aside and allowed them to score.
 
Rowdy831 said:
Very little contact from small guard and a 6'3 beast of a player goes flying down to the floor. I'm not saying it was meant to hurt anyone it was her doing what she needed to get the foul call. Like I said if she gets hit and doesn't move she not only doesn't get the call, she could very easily get the foul when the defender goes flailing.
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You might want to pull a replay of that and take a look at it again before you die on this hill.
 
maple said:
Probably not, at least not consistently. Though they should. I can’t stand it when the offensive player comes driving in and then acts like the defensive player should have just simply stepped aside and allowed them to score.
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Kemba Walker was famous for snapping his head back when he took contact from the defender. Now, to be fair, that contact was a foul, but the head snap seems intended to highlight it.

I remember when my son was playing soccer and at one point in a game he goes flying down on the pitch with a big complementary yell on the way down. One of his teammates went running over to him asking him if he was all right. The ref said "he's fine. He just wanted to make sure that I saw the foul. I did." And then he said give the opposing player a yellow card.
 
Rowdy831 said:
I watched Iowa the other day against VT and couldn't help but notice how many times CC turned very little contact into an assault. So the question is if you are going to call it on the defense will you also do it when the offensive player puts on an acting clinic?
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it's not just Caitlin. far too many players think this is the way the game should be played. of course they do, because it's often rewarded. and some coaches encourage such shenanigans.

then the refs do their worse (yes, i realize they have a trying job) ... and some may agree that this is the way the game was meant to be played. sad.
 
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Rowdy831 said:
I watched Iowa the other day against VT and couldn't help but notice how many times CC turned very little contact into an assault. So the question is if you are going to call it on the defense will you also do it when the offensive player puts on an acting clinic?
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I’m so glad Tech beat Iowa, I was so sick all game of hearing Deb Antonelli gushing about Caitlin Clarke like she was Jim Thorpe or Babe Didrikson.
 
PacoSwede said:
it's not just Caitlin. far too many players think this is the way the game should be played. of course they do, because it's often rewarded. and some coaches encourage such shenanigans.

then the refs do their worse (yes, i realize they have a trying job) ... and some may agree that this is the way the game was meant to be played. sad.
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I think this effect is more pronounced at the beginning of the season. Caitlin was especially bad about this her freshman year. Then, apparently, after her sophomore year Lisa Bluder told her to stop throwing herself to the floor at the end of layups because the risk of injury was greater than the benefit of getting whistles. But now, it looks like she may be reverting to freshman form. Deja Kelly and Taniya Watson are other notorious layup-floppers.

Eventually the refs seem to wise up, or at least get bored handing out fouls like candy, and this tactic doesn't work as well. Lets hope they wise up sooner rather than later this season.
 

Restricted-area arc, lower defensive box​

The panel approved reducing the restricted-area arc from 4 feet in the lane to the area directly underneath the basket. Defenders cannot establish a legal guarding position directly underneath the basket. This rule also eliminates the lower defensive box rule.

Under this new rule, there will be no need for any additional court markings on the floor.

The committee hopes simplifying the rule will bring about a better understanding for officials, coaches, players and fans.

Previously, secondary defenders had to be outside the 4-foot restricted-area arc to draw a charge. The lower defensive box was an imaginary area designated by two tick marks on the end line and the second lane space marks from the free-throw line and distinguished when the restricted-area rule was in effect.

Other rules changes​

  • Players will be allowed to wear numbers 0-99.
  • Schools will no longer have to submit a waiver for players to wear religious headwear, provided it is safe for competition.
  • An amber light strip will be permitted on the backboard to signal the end of a shot-clock period.
  • An optional rule will allow for live video to be transmitted to the bench area. This has been an experimental rule for the past two years.
  • A new class of technical fouls will be assessed to the team and not an individual offender. Delay-of-game warnings and flopping will fall under this category.
  • When the shot clock is off at the end of a quarter or overtime, officials will use the game clock to determine when a 10-second backcourt violation has occurred.
  • A permissive rule will allow conferences to implement an off-site collaborative replay system to assist game officials with replay situations.
  • The shot clock will be reset to 20 seconds or the time remaining, whichever is greater, when there is a foul by the nonshooting team, but not against the shooter, during a try in flight that does not strike the rim.
  • Officials will be allowed to use replay throughout the entire game for off-ball foul scoring plays; the review would be conducted during the next media timeout or intermission.

Point of emphasis​

Women's Basketball Rules Committee members are concerned about the uptick in bench decorum and misconduct incidents that took place during the 2022-23 season.

There were significant increases in intentional fouls, technical fouls and disqualifying fouls last season.
 
CONN78SEJ said:
I’m so glad Tech beat Iowa, I was so sick all game of hearing Deb Antonelli gushing about Caitlin Clarke like she was Jim Thorpe or Babe Didrikson.
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Media would gush about Caitlin Clark if she played for UConn. Would you complain about that?

Media gushed about Maya and Stewie before they won NCAA championships, NPOY, WNBA championships, WNBA MVPs, and Olympic Gold.

Caitlin Clark and Paige Bueckers are good for WCBB and attract fans to games at home and on the road. They will do the same in the WNBA.
 
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