The Big Least

[WestCoastHusky]

You may be right. Nebraska, though, isn't in the AAU anymore. It's almost all about money, and UConn brings in a different market and is academically as good as Syracuse and Pitt, which were frequently suggested to be up for consideration for inclusion.

With CUSE, Pitt, ND, Texas and maybe Missouri out of the picture, UCONN and RU suddenly look like good fits for the B1G. I can't imagine these guys standing around while other conferences go to 14 or 16.

 

[Sean]

You do know that Nebraska is not an AAU school, right?! And Notre Dame is not an AAU school...do you think the Big Ten would think twice if Notre Dame wanted to join the Big Ten?

The AAU is not a requirement for Big Ten membership. But just cuz you read it somewhere once, it must be true, right?!

I am pretty sure Nebraska was an AAU school when they were admitted to the Big 10, and was kicked out of the AAU shortly thereafter. Could be wrong but that is how I remember it.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

I am pretty sure Nebraska was an AAU school when they were admitted to the Big 10, and was kicked out of the AAU shortly thereafter. Could be wrong but that is how I remember it.

That is true. Some B1G schools even voted to kick them out of the AAU. UCONN could easily be in the AAU within 1 year if we end up in the B1G.

 

[tzznandrew]

I am pretty sure Nebraska was an AAU school when they were admitted to the Big 10, and was kicked out of the AAU shortly thereafter. Could be wrong but that is how I remember it.

This is true. It was on the board. But ND has always had an open invitation. While ND is ND, it proves that AAU isn't be-all, end-all. B10 isn't likely to sit pat.

 

[upstater]

I am pretty sure Nebraska was an AAU school when they were admitted to the Big 10, and was kicked out of the AAU shortly thereafter. Could be wrong but that is how I remember it.

The votes to keep it IN the AAU were B10 votes. When Big10 votes went against Nebraska, they were kicked out. What does that tell you about how much Big10 presidents value AAU schools in the athletic conference?

 

[WestCoastHusky]

The votes to keep it IN the AAU were B10 votes. When Big10 votes went against Nebraska, they were kicked out. What does that tell you about how much Big10 presidents value AAU schools in the athletic conference?

You mean the votes to keep them in were B12 votes. B12 schools voted to keep Nebraska in the AAU while some B1G schools did not vote for Nebraska. I think UCONN should be in the AAU. It will happen with Herbst at the helm soon enough.

 

[JohnUnitas]

You may be right. Nebraska, though, isn't in the AAU anymore. It's almost all about money, and UConn brings in a different market and is academically as good as Syracuse and Pitt, which were frequently suggested to be up for consideration for inclusion.

But they were at the time of admittance. The reason they aren't anymore is because some of their fellow B10 schools (Michigan/Wisconsin) voted them out. The presidents of those two schools have also publicly stated their disapproval of Nebraska joining the conference for that reason alone.

UConn may be academically as good, but they don't bring in the level of research dollars that the B10 prides themselves in.

You all are underestimating the arrogance in terms of academics that many of the universities in the B10 have. Some of which is very much deserved. I understand the feeling that many of you have towards TV markets/national football prominance being the driving factor for conference affiliation, but you all seem to forget that Oklahoma was denied acceptance into the B10 last year due entirely to their lack of academics.

I'm not trying to be that guy, but if they deny Oklahoma, do you really think they are going to vote in favor of UConn?

 

[4UConn]

UConn is a flagship state university, like many B1G schools, and it opens significant markets for the B1G. UConn's basketball prestige would mean ALOT to the B1G conference. Oh and BTW Unitas, last I checked Texas was not on the Atlantic Coast; and TCU isn't in the East.

 

[tzznandrew]

But they were at the time of admittance. The reason they aren't anymore is because some of their fellow B10 schools (Michigan/Wisconsin) voted them out. The presidents of those two schools have also publicly stated their disapproval of Nebraska joining the conference for that reason alone.

UConn may be academically as good, but they don't bring in the level of research dollars that the B10 prides themselves in.

You all are underestimating the arrogance in terms of academics that many of the universities in the B10 have. Some of which is very much deserved. I understand the feeling that many of you have towards TV markets/national football prominance being the driving factor for conference affiliation, but you all seem to forget that Oklahoma was denied acceptance into the B10 last year due entirely to their lack of academics.

I'm not trying to be that guy, but if they deny Oklahoma, do you really think they are going to vote in favor of UConn?

I don't remember OU actually applying or looking to join the B10. I thought all of that went with the Pac 10/12. I may be wrong, but part of OUs problem is that they NEED to take OSU anywhere they go.

 

[chickenhead]

The Big10 makes a ton of money as it is, has the Big10 Network and the schools don't seem to be expansion crazy.

 

[JohnUnitas]

I don't remember OU actually applying or looking to join the B10. I thought all of that went with the Pac 10/12. I may be wrong, but part of OUs problem is that they NEED to take OSU anywhere they go.

Which is unfortunate for them because Okie Lite is a glorified JuCo. Same thing with Texas Tech and Kansas State.

 

[tzznandrew]

The Big10 makes a ton of money as it is, has the Big10 Network and the schools don't seem to be expansion crazy.

They haven't had to be at all. They were at 11 for a while, but only 3 of the 6 BCS schools had a title game (and the ACC only for a short while). As soon as the Pac 10 moved for a title game, so did they. Similarly, if everyone is moving to 16, I think the B10 will as well.

 

[tzznandrew]

Which is unfortunate for them because Okie Lite is a glorified JuCo. Same thing with Texas Tech and Kansas State.

Which is exactly the baggage they bring that UConn doesn't.

 

[gars44]

At that point, might as well invite Boise State for the West and either ask if 'Nova will come up or take Memphis. Get to 16.

Still, I'd be very excited to get into ACC or B10 at that point--provided ACC doesn't take ND/Texas.

I'm not sure why ND wouldn't just stay with Catholic schools? Nova, GTown, PC, St. John's, Marquette, etc. would be a very good basketball conference. They'd probably raid at least Xavier, maybe also St. Joe's.

I wouldn't want Nova. I'm sorry. I'd prefer Temple to tell you the truth. And Nova doesn't buy in either. Not worth giving up all those relationships to tinker with football in this type of conference. Also, would BYU join? Be nice if they would if even for the political pull they have. Baylor too.

 

[tzznandrew]

I wouldn't want Nova. I'm sorry. I'd prefer Temple to tell you the truth. And Nova doesn't buy in either. Not worth giving up all those relationships to tinker with football in this type of conference. Also, would BYU join? Be nice if they would if even for the political pull they have. Baylor too.

I was thinking 'Nova or Memphis, in part, to keep the basketball as strong as possible. Temple, Nova, Memphis are football drek anyway, might as well hope they contribute something.

 

[chickenhead]

The next steps are that the football schools are going to break away from the NCAA anyway. What's stopping the Big10 from having a conference championship with 12 schools?

 

[tzznandrew]

The next steps are that the football schools are going to break away from the NCAA anyway. What's stopping the Big10 from having a conference championship with 12 schools?

Why are any conferences expanding if they can just stay at 12? It's all about markets.

 

[upstater]

But they were at the time of admittance. The reason they aren't anymore is because some of their fellow B10 schools (Michigan/Wisconsin) voted them out. The presidents of those two schools have also publicly stated their disapproval of Nebraska joining the conference for that reason alone.

UConn may be academically as good, but they don't bring in the level of research dollars that the B10 prides themselves in.

You all are underestimating the arrogance in terms of academics that many of the universities in the B10 have. Some of which is very much deserved. I understand the feeling that many of you have towards TV markets/national football prominance being the driving factor for conference affiliation, but you all seem to forget that Oklahoma was denied acceptance into the B10 last year due entirely to their lack of academics.

I'm not trying to be that guy, but if they deny Oklahoma, do you really think they are going to vote in favor of UConn?

The top of the Big10 brings in a lot of research dollars. The bottom doesn't. UConn brings in more research dollars than a couple Big10 schools and is right there with two others. There are a ton of ports schools in America that draw more in research funding than the bottom third of the Big10.

 

[gars44]

The next steps are that the football schools are going to break away from the NCAA anyway. What's stopping the Big10 from having a conference championship with 12 schools?

I don't think so. There are a lot of folks in the university that like the NCAA just fine. Football drives the bus, but there's still passengers on the bus that have various agendas other than football.

 

[Section205]

Why are any conferences expanding if they can just stay at 12? It's all about markets.

Bottom line, it's all about one thing....$$$$$$$$$

 

[tzznandrew]

Bottom line, it's all about one thing....$$$$$$$$$

Markets bring money. Getting the B10 network into more homes brings more money. There are many directions the B10 can go, but the Rutgers/UConn/ND/?? seems like the way to get the most people most interested in having the B10 network.

 

[chickenhead]

Markets bring money. Getting the B10 network into more homes brings more money. There are many directions the B10 can go, but the Rutgers/UConn/ND/?? seems like the way to get the most people most interested in having the B10 network.

That's all true but the North East may not add as much as you think because it is such a strong pro market. It won't do much for B10 viewership. The B10 network is already in the Tri-state area so incrementally it won't be much.​

 

[Mr.Phat]

Looks like this week may be the week the Dominos start to fall after the Texas and Oklahoma Regents have their meetings.

Whatever survives of the Big-12 and Big East will be the Best of the Rest with the teams at the top begging for Big Ten recognition

This could well stop with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the PAC-14.

Missouri (or WVU) and Texas A&M to the SEC-14.

Pitt and SU to the ACC-14

The Big East and Big 12 merging into the Big-14.

West (Longhorn Network Division)

Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Kansas
Kansas State

The Small Sprawl
............................
Iowa State
Nova (or another add)
UConn
RU
Louisville
Cincy
USF

what a joke

 

[upstater]

Now that the BE is falling apart, the Big10 is going to just sit on its hands while Notre Dame goes into a tizzy.

 

[upstater]

That's all true but the North East may not add as much as you think because it is such a strong pro market. It won't do much for B10 viewership. The B10 network is already in the Tri-state area so incrementally it won't be much.​

It's not actually in the tri-state area in the fashion they want. They get pennies a month for their product, whereas in the midwest, homes have to pay up $$$. They are on the basic tier.

 

[gars44]

But they were at the time of admittance. The reason they aren't anymore is because some of their fellow B10 schools (Michigan/Wisconsin) voted them out. The presidents of those two schools have also publicly stated their disapproval of Nebraska joining the conference for that reason alone.

UConn may be academically as good, but they don't bring in the level of research dollars that the B10 prides themselves in.

You all are underestimating the arrogance in terms of academics that many of the universities in the B10 have. Some of which is very much deserved. I understand the feeling that many of you have towards TV markets/national football prominance being the driving factor for conference affiliation, but you all seem to forget that Oklahoma was denied acceptance into the B10 last year due entirely to their lack of academics.

I'm not trying to be that guy, but if they deny Oklahoma, do you really think they are going to vote in favor of UConn?

Johnny, I totally get what you are talking about, and you have been quite genteel in the presentation of your point. It is part a matter of pedigree, and not just deservedness. (Is that even a word?) We are certainly an equal of many schools in the B10 in terms of academics and athletics. We do lack your tradition; but we come from New England, and that is a different part of the country. We have been frugal with our athletic programs, traditionally. And so you are right, we do have to rely on our market potential a great deal.

 

[gars44]

Now that the BE is falling apart, the Big10 is going to just sit on its hands while Notre Dame goes into a tizzy.

Exactly (I know I always agree with you, sorry ).

 

[upstater]

Exactly (I know I always agree with you, sorry ).

ND needs to look its alumni in the face and say, you've kept us back long enough. After ND loses tonight and longtime buddy Pitt leaves for the ACC, it will be time for ND to make the move.