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The Big East needs to punish this kind of basketball

Georgetown was a 20.5 point underdog and severely overmatched. Their coaches had a game plan which compensated for the fact that UConn was overwhelmingly more talented. They hung around and played their style. They’re probably not gonna beat a team with as much talent as UConn, but they may be able to scratch out a few wins against lesser opponents.

This isn’t PC. Georgetown will recruit better talent and play a better brand of basketball as the talent improves. The cupboard was bare after Ewing. Give the guy a chance to bring in some talent. Then the style can change.
 
Punkbo said:
Georgetown was a 20.5 point underdog and severely overmatched. Their coaches had a game plan which compensated for the fact that UConn was overwhelmingly more talented. They hung around and played their style. They’re probably not gonna beat a team with as much talent as UConn, but they may be able to scratch out a few wins against lesser opponents.

This isn’t PC. Georgetown will recruit better talent and play a better brand of basketball as the talent improves. The cupboard was bare after Ewing. Give the guy a chance to bring in some talent. Then the style can change.
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The complaint here though...is that they shouldn't be able to compensate for their severe lack of talent by making it an ugly game. Being less skilled should never be rewarded, in the Big East it is.

Cooley will elevate Georgetown no question, but they should've been run out of the building the same way as if we were playing UNH
 
Husky68 said:
Seems like coach "K" complained a lot and still seemed to get a pretty good whistle, especially at Cameroon. "He's made his own bed we will never get calls", so are you saying the refs are cheating?
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Not cheating but reacting naturally. He pisses then off a lot. Funny he seemed to chill more last year but the incessant complaining is back again. Just me, but he needs to chill again. Wait until Wednesday at Creighton against the team that practices to not foul. Lol

I agree with Coach K he got away with it because he was God yo the NCAA. There’s others like him.
 
Waquoit said:
Do you really believe that? That the refs ref for ratings?
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That’s my story and I’m sticking to it…

Half-Joking, of course. But that’s a much much kinder explanation than just saying they suck & were terrible :)
 
I was forced to watch today's game on my phone, but that said it seemed like it wasn't a game that the refs did a disservice to UConn. There were some bad calls both ways. The total fouls called were even. The free throw shooting favored Georgetown because of the style of each team's play - Georgetown played in the paint and we had too many times where our guys weren't in good body position. We shot more 3's with open looks so less chance for Georgetown to foul us. Kinda simple...

I think this has often occurred this year already and might be the case down the stretch but for when Clingan is back and other teams are dissuaded to attack the paint/rim.
 
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Conndog said:
What irritates me are all the times the Georgetown player would take it to the basket and just shove their body into the UConn defender without getting called for a foul. I don't know how many times Castle, who's a big strong dude, got pushed backwards a couple of feet when the Georgetown player just rammed into him. Why isn't that a foul?
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Don’t mind that as long as they don’t call a foul on us. But they do way too often. The offensive guy creates the contact and our guy does nothing but continue to guard and they call a foul on us. It’s horrible officiating.
 
freescooter said:
Yeah, and it’s unwatchable. Watch the ACC or the B12 or even the Big10. All are much more enjoyable to watch. I can barely watch NEWBIE games without UConn. Ugly basketball.
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Idk the Big 12 has some rock fights. Houston games are insane, that team is unwatchable this year.
 
Chuck said:
This is the Big East style. And that’s why teams like Providence, Seton Hall, old Pitt teams, etc. regularly underperform in the tournament. On every cut, UConn players are grabbed in Big East games. Honestly, it probably helps UConn since the tournament is a bit tougher than a pre conference game. But I agree, it takes away from the game and awards teams that shouldn’t get the benefit of the doubt.
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Pitt puked on my brackets every year.
 
NBA figured it out. The games are entertainment to the average ticket buyer and that means you need to showcase fun, exciting, games that feature the big stars scoring and making great plays.
The apparent Big East strategy?
Hope a team like UConn or Villanova can make the league look good by winning the NCAA title.
If Val doesn't understand she needs to improve the quality of the officials and consistency of the calls it's time for her to go.
Today was a wasted opportunity to showcase her league through the play of her league's current National Champions.
 
Mike Brown explaining how frustrating the inconsistency is... in the NBA. It's everywhere.



The refs are human but they need to be on the same page on what the hell a foul is. I can't believe how many times are guys get literally jumped on and there is no call but a small hand check is.
 
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Conndog said:
What irritates me are all the times the Georgetown player would take it to the basket and just shove their body into the UConn defender without getting called for a foul. I don't know how many times Castle, who's a big strong dude, got pushed backwards a couple of feet when the Georgetown player just rammed into him. Why isn't that a foul?
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This is an epidemic among officials and the most irritating of all the calls they make or fail to get right. It's a little harder to pick out hands swiping at the ball, but when an offensive player veers into, or throws himself at a defender there should be no call or an offensive foul.
 
Icehawk said:
Mike Brown explaining how frustrating the inconsistency is... in the NBA. It's everywhere.



The refs are human but they need to be on the same page on what the hell a foul is. I can't believe how many times are guys get literally jumped on and there is no call but a small hand check is.
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All true. Val needs to take charge before the league loses the credibility gained from UConn's rise to prominence with its 5 NC's in the last 25 years and the two won by Villanova.

The bad calls affect the product being displayed on TV as well as in the arenas, and the officials are in a difficult spot today because of instant slo-mo replays, but that doesn't preclude improvements being made to assure consistency.

The Supervisor of officials should be setting the standards and training his officials on how to apply those standards. If he doesn't do that he should go and if the officials don't meet those standards after sufficient training they should be replaced.

And, while he's at it, he should make it clear to the coaches that the refs aren't going to take any BS from them or the players.

Any problems should be addressed at a forum the league could host one day per week on a video call. Let the schools put together videos of the bad calls so they can be addressed with the officials and give the Supervisor of officials some clout to protect his referees if they are wrongly targeted for abuse during games.
 
TheRealKBuks said:
The complaint here though...is that they shouldn't be able to compensate for their severe lack of talent by making it an ugly game. Being less skilled should never be rewarded, in the Big East it is.

Cooley will elevate Georgetown no question, but they should've been run out of the building the same way as if we were playing UNH
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I totally understand what you’re saying and agree with the concept. But part of coaching is adapting to your surroundings. In hockey, they tried to eliminate the clutch and grab and make the game more free-flowing. That was a good change, but less talented teams can still compete with tight checking. The same is true in basketball where defensive intensity can level the playing field.

I like Coach Hurley’s approach. Let people know that you’re not thrilled, but adapt to the realities of the game. He’s all about winning, no matter the circumstances.
 
TheRealKBuks said:
The complaint here though...is that they shouldn't be able to compensate for their severe lack of talent by making it an ugly game. Being less skilled should never be rewarded, in the Big East it is.

Cooley will elevate Georgetown no question, but they should've been run out of the building the same way as if we were playing UNH
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Cooley w up I’ll get them out of competition with DePaul but he isnt getting them back to John Thompson level play. For one thing it’s 2024 not 1984. Many more places take basketball seriously now. For another, he is a solid but unspectacular coach. He got solid guys at Providence and played this crash into everyone and get the calls style. It works in the NEWBIE but not in the NCAA tournament. Finally, Georgetown cares, but not that much. The administration is far more interested in winning Nobel prizes and advising Presidents than winning basketball games.
 
mauconnfan said:
Because Dan has hissy fits like the one on Alexs 2nd foul on the three ball. It was a foul period bad play by his guy. First thing the coach should do is pull Alex over and say “hand in his face please I need you in the game play smarter. Instead he creates a scene that not one of those refs could Ben happy with. The “No FN way” response didn’t draw a T like it could have so be happy they resisted. He’s made his own bed we will never get calls.
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You are right. I thought he learned his lesson last year but now he looks like he is having temper tantrums again. Does he look at his own face on replays? The faces are kind of like a mockery and refs don't like coaches playing to the crowd with antics. If you have a beef OK. You can make your point. But this looks more like "I'm getting the last word in" and the face appears to be more one of menacing rather than expressing plain anger or disappointment. The refs aren't frightened by this and it invites or dares retribution. He needs to change again.

There is an old expression: "It's not what you say but how you say it"
 
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freescooter said:
Yeah, and it’s unwatchable. Watch the ACC or the B12 or even the Big10. All are much more enjoyable to watch. I can barely watch NEWBIE games without UConn. Ugly basketball.
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It's so obvious you don't watch basketball. The ACC and Big 10 lolz.
 
Nova- Marquette just played an entertaining half with 83 total pts scored and 9 total fouls....
 
JustbrewitMan said:
Only significant sports game on at the time slot. Hate to be a conspiracy theorist but the refs did a great job of keeping it just close enough to keep people from shutting off the game or switching the channel…
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If I wasn’t a UConn fan I would have shut it off. It was a really brutal and boring game to watch. No flow (in large part due to the reffing against both teams).
 
The officiating is BAD in every league and in every sport. Its handled by humans and humans react.
UConn' has never been treated well by the refs - Wes B was undercut a lot when shooting in the 60's, John Thomas was big and aggressive and fouled out of more games than he he stayed in to the final buzzer, KEA was a marked man due to his arrogance and rarely received a fair shake by refs, Kemba and Bazz were always punished on their drives but never received "and 1".
Dan Hurley is his own worst enemy and until he learns how to effectively protest, the refs won't treat him differently. What is unfortunate about the issue is that the team pays for it in the end. I'd rather the refs throw Dan Hurley out.
A lot of coaches complain but it's how you do it and what you say that makes a different.
Yelling out - You're a clown and the constant no ways is not going to work.
When I started coaching I was a lot like Dan Hurley. One of my old coaches watched my team and after the game he said I looked and sounded like an idiot and the refs he knows well didn't appreciate it at all. He gave me some hints on what would work and how I could get my message through effectively without ruffling too many feathers. It worked for me.
Yes, HCJC was a yeller and swore but he knew what to say to the refs that sent the message but didn't stab.
I suggest Dan Hurley get a mentor. He was very good the 2nd half of the 2022-2023 season - don't know why he has started this crap again.
 
HuskyHawk said:
My view on this is that the refs made it unwatchable. Big East refs continue to start every game calling nothing. So teams like Georgetown hunt fouls on offense and clutch, grab and push, especially on rebounds. You can say too many fouls called but I disagree. Call those fouls early. Cook could have had 3 fouls in the first five minutes. Call those. Force teams to play properly at the start and then you can loosen up and call less. Instead they lose control of the game and then get tighter and tighter as they try to get control back.

Refs have to be unafraid of fouling guys out in the first ten minutes of the game if that is what they deserve. We got killed on the boards because they shoved and threw our guys down. Call that instead of stupid touch fouls that don’t impact the play.
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We saw this in the tournament against Gonzaga, Timmie couldn’t adjust to non favorable reffing, and I remember a lot of fans and media personalities crying about how they took the “best player in the country” out of the game.
 
superjohn said:
It's so obvious you don't watch basketball. The ACC and Big 10 lolz.
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I dont watch a ton, but enough to see the difference in flow vs. the hack-a-thon that too many New Big East games have become.
 
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I want to be clear that I am not bashing all Big East refs or the Big East as a whole, just Cooley. I think a lot of Big East teams play fun styles and the refs overall are fine. I do think there is a tendency of refs to not want to drive the game off a cliff when a team plays like Cooley's teams play, and I disagree with that approach. I think the refs should treat a team that is turning the game into a circus with the exact amount of respect that team deserves: none. I would have no problem with the refs calling 40+ fouls, 15 of which would be offensive, on Georgetown if they are going to play like that. Foul the whole team out. Let the Team Manager play the last 10 minutes. Hopefully Cooley would get the message that ruining the product for the whole league is not acceptable. If not, he can lose every game and watch the other team shoot 50 free throws a night until he is fired.

A crackdown on the circus would result in a few games being dumpster fires, but it would be very good for the league in the long-term.

Ironically, I don't think playing like that is particularly effective as a strategy, and it chases off recruits. I think Cooley would actually win more if his teams didn't play this way.
 
I see the same thing as all of you. However, what bothers me the most is the inconsistent game these ref's call. TN gets mauled all game long, no calls. Diarra ate an elbow to the chops in one Georgetown penetration, no call. Karaban eats an elbow, no offensive foul called. On that same play, he has enough wits about him to block the shot, and they call him for the foul. I don't mind "old school BE basketball", but I do mind when the ref's consistently call two different types of games. All of that said, this crap went on last year too. I have to believe that our out of conference domination, in large part, had to do with the game opening up during tourney time. May the same happen again this year! And remember, our best defender isn't playing. Oh boy......this team is nasty.
 
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