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amory said:
This is BS. I love Ray but I also love the Celtics and Ray was not pushed out the door at all. The Celtics offered him twice as much money as the Heat did and a freaking no trade clause which only about 3 other players in the entire NBA have. And he still left to join the team he couldn't beat. Celtics fans had a reason to be pissed.

Get some facts, and come back and see me.
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They shopped him the prior season. Celtics fans do have a reason to be pissed. Management chased one of the all time greats out the door.
 
I seriously wish someone would try to "chase me out the door" by offering me $12 million over 2 years with a no trade clause.

That would be like the best day ever.
 
Gringo said:
It establishes that in his opinion the Celtics were pushing him out the door which is why he ultimately left. If you don't think they did then that's fine, but please don't pretend like you know more about Ray Allen's situation then Ray Allen.
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I think everybody already knew that Ray Allen's feelings were hurt.

I don't more about Ray Allen's situation than Ray Allen does, but I do know that what he says publicly isn't proof of what actually happened.

I hope you're not a lawyer.
 
Ray was a FA bottom line, he went to a team where he could afford to pace himself for the playoffs and knows at this stage of his career he is a role player, it was a smart business decision on his part. It doesn't mater what anyone else thinks of Ray Allen but Ray Allen.
 
My turn. One major aspect everyone forgets is Ray was asked to come off the bench behind Bradley. Was Pierce or KG asked to come off the bench for a 2nd year player? Now everyone will say he is still coming off the bench in Miami, that is true, but that's behind D Wade. Still a superstar in this league. With the Memphis trade, Ray received a call from Ainge telling him he had been traded only to find out a few hours later the trade fell apart. Why would the Celtics go out and sign Jason Terry for a position already thin in minutes and then also expect Ray back? On top of that everyone sees that Pierce and KG were traded to the Nets and therefore didn't have a choice. KG had a no trade clause which he waived allowing the trade to go through only after consulting Pierce about it. He could have just waived off the deal and him and Pierce could have just stayed Celtics.

I love the Celtics but at the same time the perception that Ray is a traitor literally makes no sense. The only thing that bugged me was him going to the Heat but I guess good for him because he has the same amount of rings as Pierce and KG combined. I am still praying for the day Allen, Pierce and KG resign with with the Celtics for one more season (Probably won't happen but....)
 
I wish there wasn't bitterness between Big Ticket and Ray. Two guys careers I've followed closely since the jump
 
Scoe said:
Ray was a FA bottom line, he went to a team where he could afford to pace himself for the playoffs and knows at this stage of his career he is a role player, it was a smart business decision on his part. It doesn't mater what anyone else thinks of Ray Allen but Ray Allen.
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It was a smart business decision. I suppose what I don't understand is this: Putting aside the Celtics' front office and putting the aside the fans, how do you tell Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett that you're breaking up the band, and joining your most hated rivals?

I've just never wrapped my head around it. Did he not like Pierce and Garnett? I thought he did. Was his rumored bad relationship with Rondo so bad that he couldn't be in the same locker room with him? The explanation that "the Celtics" did him wrong by dangling him in trade talks just doesn't cut it. He didn't owe anything to me as a fan. But, even though the NBA is a business, one player owes his colleagues an explanation, you would think. From PP's and KG's comments, they didn't feel like they really got one. We see from the Clippers situation that players can band together even when they don't like what ownership or management does. There was a fracture here. Maybe it was just that Ray felt disrespected and his anger with the front office outweighed his loyalty to his teammates (and the team's late but generous contract offer). I suppose that can happen. (I do think the "butthurt" insults being thrown at Celtics fans are pretty funny considering we're talking about a player actually leaving a team because he felt slighted.)

Anyway, it's spilled milk. I'm happy for Ray's continued success, and I'm happy that he's actually contributing to the Heat's success rather than being a lame ring-chaser like Payton and Malone on the Lakers. I can't say I like the Heat but his success is good for the Huskies.
 
Judas Shuttleworth is killing me

I love RayRay, but I'm sorry I hate the Heat. Just like I hate Dook, BC and Donna She-lies-a-lot (Miami Pres)
 
willie99 said:
Judas Shuttleworth is killing me

I love RayRay, but I'm sorry I hate the Heat. Just like I hate Dook, BC and Donna She-lies-a-lot (Miami Pres)
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I have no loyalty to an NBA franchise. Just my former Huskies. I didn't like the Heat. Now RayRay is on the team. So.........................................
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
It's cute how some of you get so exercised sticking up for poor Ray.

Incidentally, a self-serving quote from the player himself about how he felt unloved is hardly a "fact."

Ray made a move that he felt was best for him. End of story. The idea that he was treated any differently than any other professional athlete is dumb. They tried to move him? Big deal, Pierce was on the block dozens of times and he put in a hell of a lot more sweat equity than Ray.

Ray ended up where he wanted. The ONLY people still talking about how his tenure in Boston ended (and getting it wrong) are his self-appointed internet bodyguards on the Boneyard.

I'm sure pointing out the obvious means I'm "butt hurt."
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I have a lot of respect for your opinions, but you missed the mark here.

Boston sports fans have a real problem with understanding the line between business and loyalty. It's not just Ray Allen. The list of pros who lead Boston teams to glory only to be thrown under the bus when the glory ends is embarrassingly long. There is no city that is more self-absorbed, spoiled, and entitled. Believe it.
 
Huskies4ever said:
I have no loyalty to an NBA franchise. Just my former Huskies. I didn't like the Heat. Now RayRay is on the team. So...........
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Exactly how I operate. Never really had a team growing up so now I just follow and support our guys.
 
amory said:
This is BS. I love Ray but I also love the Celtics and Ray was not pushed out the door at all. The Celtics offered him twice as much money as the Heat did and a freaking no trade clause which only about 3 other players in the entire NBA have. And he still left to join the team he couldn't beat. Celtics fans had a reason to be pissed.

Get some facts, and come back and see me.
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My best advice to you is, shut up.
 
amory said:
I seriously wish someone would try to "chase me out the door" by offering me $12 million over 2 years with a no trade clause.

That would be like the best day ever.
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Don't throw out salaries and other things.
 
Did someone really ask if Bostonians turned on Damon after he left? Wow! They were brutal. Remember the shirts "Looks like throws like Mary, acts like Judas". For reasons that have mystified psychologists for decades, Boston fans always feel victimized by the athlete who leaves no matter how crappy the ownership treats the athlete.

And Ray is the best NBA Husky!
 
David 76 said:
Did someone really ask if Bostonians turned on Damon after he left? Wow!
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Oh I know they turned, I just didn't know the degree to which as it compared to the way they've treated Ray since he left. I see that painting at the Garden with Ray's face blacked out every day, and it's just so terribly symbolic of people's feelings of him and how now he's just been discarded and means less than nothing to them after what he's done for the city. Erasing a face from the memory of a champion team is something I can barely fathom, except MAYBE in Yanks/Sox stuff (not that that makes it excusable). That's why I asked about Damon.
 
David 76 said:
Did someone really ask if Bostonians turned on Damon after he left? Wow! They were brutal. Remember the shirts "Looks like throws like Mary, acts like Judas". For reasons that have mystified psychologists for decades, Boston fans always feel victimized by the athlete who leaves no matter how crappy the ownership treats the athlete.

And Ray is the best NBA Husky!
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"Looks like throws like Mary, acts like Judas". Maybe the best shirt ever.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Sweeeeeetness. I rooted for the Celtics when they won the title and liked the team, but was shocked how butthurt EVERYONE in Boston was about Ray leaving as he was basically being pushed out the door. I hope this hurts.
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Because he went to the #1 team the former team wouldn't want him to go to. We can keep on doing this, but choosing in free agency to go to Miami would be like a yankee or sox player going to the other as a free agent. Yes its his decision, it doesn't make him evil, but it is not akin to pierce and KG ending up in Brooklyn. its completely different, anyone who says "how could anyone get angry with him" isn't paying attention.

If Ollie wanted 5mil a year and UConn wouldn't give it to him, and he went to Duke to be an assistant coach to take over for coach K in the future, would you be peeved?
 
huskypantz said:
Why did they bring Terry onboard? Ray knew his time was going to decline with the effort to develop Bradley and Terry's minutes. He saw the writing on the wall. Plus would you rather play for a team where the young gun (Rondo) is dismissive of you or a rival team where the current best player in the world is actively trying to recruit you? Doc, Pierce and KG all got out of dodge soon after.
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"he saw the writing on the wall" so he went to Miami who had a handful of 3 pt shooters....


The celtics bring in Terry, just building the bench and that should make a hall of famer tuck his tail between his legs and march off to his #1 rival on that former team? Grow a damn spine and some competitive nature. If he went to the heat and the heat had literally no one else who could shoot a 3, fine, but they had Mike Miller literally filling the 3 pt threat role the year he went there...
 
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