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It's cute how some of you get so exercised sticking up for poor Ray.

Incidentally, a self-serving quote from the player himself about how he felt unloved is hardly a "fact."

Ray made a move that he felt was best for him. End of story. The idea that he was treated any differently than any other professional athlete is dumb. They tried to move him? Big deal, Pierce was on the block dozens of times and he put in a hell of a lot more sweat equity than Ray.

Ray ended up where he wanted. The ONLY people still talking about how his tenure in Boston ended (and getting it wrong) are his self-appointed internet bodyguards on the Boneyard.

I'm sure pointing out the obvious means I'm "butt hurt."
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
It's cute how some of you get so exercised sticking up for poor Ray.

Incidentally, a self-serving quote from the player himself about how he felt unloved is hardly a "fact."

Ray made a move that he felt was best for him. End of story. The idea that he was treated any differently than any other professional athlete is dumb. They tried to move him? Big deal, Pierce was on the block dozens of times and he put in a hell of a lot more sweat equity than Ray.

Ray ended up where he wanted. The ONLY people still talking about how his tenure in Boston ended (and getting it wrong) are his self-appointed internet bodyguards on the Boneyard.

I'm sure pointing out the obvious means I'm "butt hurt."
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Pierce was also not traded twice from places he was content - once in Milwaukee when George Karl wanted his pet and once in Seattle when new ownership came in and wanted to tank to build around youth (Milwaukee made a huge mistake, Sonics ownership clearly did not). Pierce also was never on the block in the Big Three era - he was on the block when the Celtics stunk and were trying for Oden/Durant.

Ray paid plenty of sweat equity in his career - just most of it wasn't in Boston. He paid it in trying to build up two franchises only to have the rug pulled out from under him for business reasons. So when he saw Boston management clearly moving in a different direction and looking to develop Bradley/adding Terry, he saw the writing on the wall and made a move on his own. Which clearly turned out to be the right one - and the fact that Doc, Pierce, and KG aren't around any more reinforces that as well. That era in Boston was ending, Ray just found the first life raft out.

The Celtics had every right to start getting younger, and Ray had every right to use his free agency situation to find what he felt was the best fit for him. He was brought in to Boston for three years and played five.
 
Gringo said:
A quote from Ray Allen:

“I was very loyal to the city and I love the city, but when it came time to keep me in a uniform [the Celtics] did everything they could to seem like … to not want me to come back,"

Get some facts and come back and see me.
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A Ray Allen quote is "facts"? Huh? That establishes that his feelings were hurt. It doesn't establish anything beyond that.
 
Gurleyman said:
Pierce also was never on the block in the Big Three era - he was on the block when the Celtics stunk and were trying for Oden/Durant.
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Not true. He was on the block once it looked like the window was closing. Ainge was considering all kinds of things. Remember that while KG had a no-trade clause, Pierce did not. There's also the fact that he was actually traded (although that was a year after the Big 3 era had ended).

I find this debate pretty entertaining. I like how the Celtics fans on this board -- all of whom LOVE RAY ALLEN -- are the ones accused of bias. NOT the people who LOVE RAY ALLEN and HATE THE CELTICS. No, those people know "the facts." Not the people who actually like both parties involved. The ones who love one side and don't like the other (or was a bandwagon fan). They're in the majority so they're in the right.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Ray made a move that he felt was best for him. End of story. The idea that he was treated any differently than any other professional athlete is dumb. They tried to move him? Big deal, Pierce was on the block dozens of times and he put in a hell of a lot more sweat equity than Ray.
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This, right here.

Ray did what was best for him, that's all. And that's fine, but Celtics fans had every right to be pissed off about it. We hadn't done anything but shower him with love for the years he was here. Everyone thought beyond any shadow of a doubt his #20 would be retired in the Garden. Instead he went and stood with the team that eliminated him and KG and Pierce the previous year while they received their championship rings and raised that tacky-ass banner.
 
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amory said:
This is BS. I love Ray but I also love the Celtics and Ray was not pushed out the door at all. The Celtics offered him twice as much money as the Heat did and a freaking no trade clause which only about 3 other players in the entire NBA have. And he still left to join the team he couldn't beat. Celtics fans had a reason to be pissed.

Get some facts, and come back and see me.
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It isn't just about facts.
 
Well as long as Ray is happy thats all that matters, pride.

 
amory said:
This, right here.

Ray did what was best for him, that's all. And that's fine, but Celtics fans had every right to be pissed off about it. We hadn't done anything but shower him with love for the years he was here. Everyone thought beyond any shadow of a doubt his #20 would be retired in the Garden. Instead he went and stood with the team that eliminated him and KG and Pierce the previous year while they received their championship rings and raised that tacky-ass banner.
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Just look at the butthurt.
 
bmayuc said:
They offered him twice as much money because they had a worse team/situation to offer. It is mind blowing to me that you celtics people fail to forget that the celts threw Ray in every possible trade offer for 2 years, didn't offer an extenion before he bcame a free agent, and were making noises of breaking up the big three(which was the right move anyway).

So @amory tell me. If your job threatened to move your family/job 3-4 times a year, your company was talking about downsizing the company openly, and then didn't offer to renew your contract until you were on vacation and your contract had already expired. Now the company realizes that its shareholders will freak out and offers you a package to return.

would you call that "getting pushed out the door". Because I would.
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Well, I'm not a professional basketball player. So the situations are a little different.

In any case the number of times Ray was confirmed to be in a deal are way overblown. Boston is a crazy sports town and trade rumors come and go all the time with nothing coming of them. The only time he was really close to being traded was to the Grizzlies in a potential deal for OJ Mayo.

Even though it's part of the job to deal with trade rumors (Rondo has to deal with them literally every year) the Celtics respected that Ray's feelings had been hurt, and they tried to do right by him by including the no trade clause in the contract he eventually turned down. The only other players that had a no trade clause, at the time, were Garnett, Kobe, and I think Dirk Nowitzki. That's respect.

So don't tell me the Celtics treated Ray like crap, it's just not true.

Rocktheworld said:
Just look at the butthurt.
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Dude this gets funnier every time you say it. I can tell you're going to be a quality addition to the board. Keep up the good work.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
Nah, I don't particularly care either way. The Celtics did what they did and Ray did what he did. I just don't worship another grown man like some of you do.
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This issue only comes up because of all the garbage talked by Boston sports fans about Allen. They still do, just like they talk about everyone who has ever left a Boston sports team. Fans up here are animals.
 
CallMeBruce said:
This issue only comes up because of all the garbage talked by Boston sports fans about Allen. They still do, just like they talk about everyone who has ever left a Boston sports team. Fans up here are animals.
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Brilliant stuff. You're 100% right.

 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Brilliant stuff. You're 100% right.

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Pierce was traded so the team could tank. The way the local media bashed Nomar, Pedro, Clemens, Lowe, Francona, Ramirez, Allen, Walker, Welker, Damon, Ellsbury, etc on the way out was despicable. Leaking rumors about guys having DUIs or drug problems, I remember a leak that Mike Lowell, of all people, was a clubhouse cancer. It's the most bitter sports city I've ever encountered.
 
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CallMeBruce said:
Pierce was traded so the team could tank. The way the local media bashed Nomar, Pedro, Clemens, Lowe, Francona, Ramirez, Allen, Walker, Welker, Damon, Ellsbury, etc on the way out was despicable. Leaking rumors about guys having DUIs or drug problems, I remember a leak that Mike Lowell, of all people, was a clubhouse cancer. It's the most bitter sports city I've ever encountered.
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In Boston you're either in the circle or you're out of it. If you got traded, that's obviously not your fault. If you left by choice you've stated that you're done with the fans, and the fans are going to be done with you.

That's how it is here.

I actually only root for two of the teams (Celtics, Bruins) but you can't argue with the success Boston has had. A Boston franchise seemingly wins a championship in one of the four major sports every single year.
 
nomar said:
A Ray Allen quote is "facts"? Huh? That establishes that his feelings were hurt. It doesn't establish anything beyond that.
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It establishes that in his opinion the Celtics were pushing him out the door which is why he ultimately left. If you don't think they did then that's fine, but please don't pretend like you know more about Ray Allen's situation then Ray Allen.
 
amory said:
This is BS. I love Ray but I also love the Celtics and Ray was not pushed out the door at all. The Celtics offered him twice as much money as the Heat did and a freaking no trade clause which only about 3 other players in the entire NBA have. And he still left to join the team he couldn't beat. Celtics fans had a reason to be pissed.

Get some facts, and come back and see me.
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They shopped him the prior season. Celtics fans do have a reason to be pissed. Management chased one of the all time greats out the door.
 
I seriously wish someone would try to "chase me out the door" by offering me $12 million over 2 years with a no trade clause.

That would be like the best day ever.
 
Gringo said:
It establishes that in his opinion the Celtics were pushing him out the door which is why he ultimately left. If you don't think they did then that's fine, but please don't pretend like you know more about Ray Allen's situation then Ray Allen.
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I think everybody already knew that Ray Allen's feelings were hurt.

I don't more about Ray Allen's situation than Ray Allen does, but I do know that what he says publicly isn't proof of what actually happened.

I hope you're not a lawyer.
 
Ray was a FA bottom line, he went to a team where he could afford to pace himself for the playoffs and knows at this stage of his career he is a role player, it was a smart business decision on his part. It doesn't mater what anyone else thinks of Ray Allen but Ray Allen.
 
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My turn. One major aspect everyone forgets is Ray was asked to come off the bench behind Bradley. Was Pierce or KG asked to come off the bench for a 2nd year player? Now everyone will say he is still coming off the bench in Miami, that is true, but that's behind D Wade. Still a superstar in this league. With the Memphis trade, Ray received a call from Ainge telling him he had been traded only to find out a few hours later the trade fell apart. Why would the Celtics go out and sign Jason Terry for a position already thin in minutes and then also expect Ray back? On top of that everyone sees that Pierce and KG were traded to the Nets and therefore didn't have a choice. KG had a no trade clause which he waived allowing the trade to go through only after consulting Pierce about it. He could have just waived off the deal and him and Pierce could have just stayed Celtics.

I love the Celtics but at the same time the perception that Ray is a traitor literally makes no sense. The only thing that bugged me was him going to the Heat but I guess good for him because he has the same amount of rings as Pierce and KG combined. I am still praying for the day Allen, Pierce and KG resign with with the Celtics for one more season (Probably won't happen but....)
 
I wish there wasn't bitterness between Big Ticket and Ray. Two guys careers I've followed closely since the jump
 
Scoe said:
Ray was a FA bottom line, he went to a team where he could afford to pace himself for the playoffs and knows at this stage of his career he is a role player, it was a smart business decision on his part. It doesn't mater what anyone else thinks of Ray Allen but Ray Allen.
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It was a smart business decision. I suppose what I don't understand is this: Putting aside the Celtics' front office and putting the aside the fans, how do you tell Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett that you're breaking up the band, and joining your most hated rivals?

I've just never wrapped my head around it. Did he not like Pierce and Garnett? I thought he did. Was his rumored bad relationship with Rondo so bad that he couldn't be in the same locker room with him? The explanation that "the Celtics" did him wrong by dangling him in trade talks just doesn't cut it. He didn't owe anything to me as a fan. But, even though the NBA is a business, one player owes his colleagues an explanation, you would think. From PP's and KG's comments, they didn't feel like they really got one. We see from the Clippers situation that players can band together even when they don't like what ownership or management does. There was a fracture here. Maybe it was just that Ray felt disrespected and his anger with the front office outweighed his loyalty to his teammates (and the team's late but generous contract offer). I suppose that can happen. (I do think the "butthurt" insults being thrown at Celtics fans are pretty funny considering we're talking about a player actually leaving a team because he felt slighted.)

Anyway, it's spilled milk. I'm happy for Ray's continued success, and I'm happy that he's actually contributing to the Heat's success rather than being a lame ring-chaser like Payton and Malone on the Lakers. I can't say I like the Heat but his success is good for the Huskies.
 
Judas Shuttleworth is killing me

I love RayRay, but I'm sorry I hate the Heat. Just like I hate Dook, BC and Donna She-lies-a-lot (Miami Pres)
 
willie99 said:
Judas Shuttleworth is killing me

I love RayRay, but I'm sorry I hate the Heat. Just like I hate Dook, BC and Donna She-lies-a-lot (Miami Pres)
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I have no loyalty to an NBA franchise. Just my former Huskies. I didn't like the Heat. Now RayRay is on the team. So.........................................
 
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