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The ACC is worse off without Maryland than the other way around - Washington Post

Rutgers doesn't actually bring anything to the table in terms of sports success. They've had losing seasons in 17 out of the 26 seasons since they joined the Big East for football and in 18 out of the 22 seasons since they joined for basketball. They have long been (and, per all available evidence, will continue to be) mediocre.

Even the Big 10 -not exactly known for bringing home hardware in the sports that matter- was made worse by adding them.
 
They only wanted their cable boxes. Winning or losing didn't matter.
 
CL82 said:
"We didn't want them in,'' DeFilippo told the Globe. "It was a matter of turf. We wanted to be the New England team.''​
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And it worked like a charm. UConn is down so low we lost any semblance of self respect and gave BC one of our home games.​
 
Waquoit said:

And it worked like a charm. UConn is down so low we lost any semblance of self respect and gave BC one of our home games.​
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No we were offered a million dollwrs to play a home game in pro stadium. That's a very different thing.
 
Zissou said:
Obviously yes, that is just my opinion. It's opposite of your's I guess, which is still just an opinion.
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My opinion like yours is irrelevant. I don't care about Rutgers one way or the other. The B1G on the other hand cared quite a bit, thus here we are today with them as a member. Ultimately success is defined by those who are taking the risk. In terms of what the conference hoped to achieve by adding them they have been a huge success. Winning games is up to Rutgers to build toward.
 
Zissou said:
Right, which is why I think Rutgers is a bad deal. They are technically in the DMA. They will get some cash, in the near term anyway, but they are not a home run. They dilute the brand by adding an inferior program at the bottom.

They married Rutgers for short term cash and there is not a divorce escape hatch.
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For once I agree with you. If Delaney could take back adding Rutgers he would do it in a heartbeat. Adding UCONN would have been the smartest addition for all parties involved.
 
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huskyrob1 said:
For once I agree with you. If Delaney could take back adding Rutgers he would do it in a heartbeat. Adding UCONN would have been the smartest addition for all parties involved.
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Delany would not take back adding Rutgers. Their inclusion has accomplished everything he hoped for and more. UConn may be considered for future expansion, and I hope they are, but at the time Rutgers was added they were not up for a spot versus Rutgers.
 
Ldandy said:
Delany would not take back adding Rutgers. Their inclusion has accomplished everything he hoped for and more. UConn may be considered for future expansion, and I hope they are, but at the time Rutgers was added they were not up for a spot versus Rutgers.
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Hey news flash Ldandy, cable boxes are going the way of the vacuum tube TV set. Delaney made some easy bucks but what does Rutgers offer the B1G right now? NOTHING!!! Except a ball and chain. UConn offers much much more.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Hey news flash Ldandy, cable boxes are going the way of the vacuum tube TV set. Delaney made some easy bucks but what does Rutgers offer the B1G right now? NOTHING!!! Except a ball and chain. UConn offers much much more.
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You really are dumb. He explained the many qualifications that RU had for admission to the B1G in a few statements above. Where does UConn stand in that check list? I see UConn satisfying 4 out of the six metrics that he described and the most important of all, AAU membership is not one of them. Rutgers knew they were going to the Big Ten before the breakup of the old Big East. It did not come as a surprise to them or anyone else for that matter. Don't count on previous national championships in men's and women's basketball to matter. Clearly, athletic success did not matter at that time. If it matters now, the UConn has a long way to go to improve men's sports. UConn is now a school for women's athletic championships, it seems to me. I don't doubt that even with cable cutting the P5 cartel will survive with or without UConn.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Hey news flash Ldandy, cable boxes are going the way of the vacuum tube TV set. Delaney made some easy bucks but what does Rutgers offer the B1G right now? NOTHING!!! Except a ball and chain. UConn offers much much more.
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That's absurd. Rutgers offers the other Big 10 teams an annual conference win.
 
ivrytontusker said:
That's absurd. Rutgers offers the other Big 10 teams an annual conference win.
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Oh yeah, and they make the Big 10 conference look great when they lose at home to teams like Eastern Michigan. The whole NYC metro area must have been tuned into that one.
 
buddy said:
You really are dumb. He explained the many qualifications that RU had for admission to the B1G in a few statements above. Where does UConn stand in that check list? I see UConn satisfying 4 out of the six metrics that he described and the most important of all, AAU membership is not one of them. Rutgers knew they were going to the Big Ten before the breakup of the old Big East. It did not come as a surprise to them or anyone else for that matter. Don't count on previous national championships in men's and women's basketball to matter. Clearly, athletic success did not matter at that time. If it matters now, the UConn has a long way to go to improve men's sports. UConn is now a school for women's athletic championships, it seems to me. I don't doubt that even with cable cutting the P5 cartel will survive with or without UConn.
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I guess some of the qualifications were having several forceable rapes and at least one killing every year. He made a mistake inviting Rutgers, went for short term monetary gain, and ends up with an embarrassment for the league for years to come, and in thee major market in the Northeast no less. I wouldn't send my daughters to Rutgers if it was free.

Crime At Rutgers Sparks Lawsuit And New Crime Alert Policy | New Brunswick Today
 
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Rob, I feel like you were trolling on this. Rutgers presence in the New York DMA allowed the Big 10 to charge a premium in it. Add to that that New Jersey is a state of 9 million people with probably 3 to 4,000,000 outside the New York DMA And you can see the value in adding them. Even in a cable cutting world that brings value. They weren't best choice from a athletics perspective, but they did everything that the Big Ten needed them to do from an economic perspective.
 
CL82 said:
Rob, I feel like you were trolling on this. Rutgers presence in the New York DMA allowed the Big 10 to charge a premium in it. Add to that that New Jersey is a state of 9 million people with probably 3 to 4,000,000 outside the New York DMA And you can see the value in adding them. Even in a cable cutting world that brings value. They weren't best choice from a athletics perspective, but they did everything that the Big Ten needed them to do from an economic perspective.
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It's short term value, the cable box model is going the way of the Model T. People only want to pay for what they want to watch, not everything offered on the gd cable box. That's old news anyway, everyone knows that the Big 10 added them for short term financial gain. It's been analyzed on this board ad nauseum. What's Rutgers done for the Big 10 lately? I firmly believe that the Big 10's inviting RU was short sighted on many levels. You make it sound like the 9 million men, women and children in New Jersey all wear Rutgers hats and t-shirts.
 
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Zissou said:
Then it's like adding NIU to get the Chicago market. I get it now. It took me a second.
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Are you seriously comparing Rutgers to NIU? You sure you went to Villanova? Not some Villanova fan since Rollie or whenever out in the boondocks?
 
Zissou said:
Seton Hall might be a better add than Rutgers. The Hall would have to suit up their soccer team to compete with Rutgers football, but other than that...

The comparison is picking Newark and Rutgers to claim the NYC market. Not quite a home run in my opinion. Like picking a school that is near, but not in, Chicago to claim the Chicago market. A school without much of an established winning athletic program.
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You are a lunatic.

Moving on. The Big Ten should add Quinnipiac hockey.
 
CL82 said:
Rob, I feel like you were trolling on this. Rutgers presence in the New York DMA allowed the Big 10 to charge a premium in it. Add to that that New Jersey is a state of 9 million people with probably 3 to 4,000,000 outside the New York DMA And you can see the value in adding them. Even in a cable cutting world that brings value. They weren't best choice from a athletics perspective, but they did everything that the Big Ten needed them to do from an economic perspective.
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Cable box revenue be damned, the cable companies are losing cable box subscribers left and right. Very soon their only major revenue will be for internet access (even there they have major competition from Frontier) to Hulu, Sling, and Amazon. Roku and FireStick sales are exploding. That being said, check the weekly national Neilson's this past season for UConn football games vs Rutgers football games. The results might surprise you, the disparity is not as bad as you would think. If UConn goes 6-6 next year or 7-5 (one can only hope) and is bowl eligible then anything is possible.
 
I really love these targeted ads. The words "Amazon," "Big Ten," and "Rutgers" all appear on this current page. Now Amazon suggests that I might be interested in purchasing an official NCAA Rutgers Scarlet Knights adult adjustable ball cap, or perhaps a set of Big Ten mini pennants. If this isn't gallows humor, then I don't know what is! :D
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huskyrob1 said:
It's short term value, the cable box model is going the way of the Model T. People only want to pay for what they want to watch, not everything offered on the gd cable box. That's old news anyway, everyone knows that the Big 10 added them for short term financial gain. It's been analyzed on this board ad nauseum. What's Rutgers done for the Big 10 lately? I firmly believe that the Big 10's inviting RU was short sighted on many levels. You make it sound like the 9 million men, women and children in New Jersey all wear Rutgers hats and t-shirts.
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Yeah, I'm not sure that you understand the metric. Rutgers being part of the Big Ten is a money printing machine that is generating millions of dollars for them. End it really doesn't matter what shirt people are wearing. It it's just the number of households.

Even assuming that the cable TV rights bubble burst, and I think this likely, the population of New Jersey can be used to support the big 10 network either as a standalone TV right ad on, or as part of a future Internet subscription process.

Economically, Rutgers was the right add for them.
 
CL82 said:
Yeah, I'm not sure that you understand the metric. Rutgers being part of the Big Ten is a money printing machine that is generating millions of dollars for them. End it really doesn't matter what shirt people are wearing. It it's just the number of households.

Even assuming that the cable TV rights bubble burst, and I think this likely, the population of New Jersey can be used to support the big 10 network either as a standalone TV right ad on, or as part of a future Internet subscription process.

Economically, Rutgers was the right add for them.
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It's just the number of households that still have cable boxes and still pay $180 a month. That number is shrinking faster than you can say FireStick. Don't you see the flaw in your argument? Less households means less revenue for the cable companies AND the B1G. Someday it will be zero or close to it, people are wising up and realizing they can get by watching anything they want for only $60 a month with an internet connection and even that game can change for the ISP's if cellular technology improves, and it will. At that point the actual number of people who tune in to a Rutgers game (not much) starts to mean something for the B1G and the P5 in general. Also I don't think at that point that anybody will want to subsidize Rutgers football in NJ and make it a TV add on right because their ratings suck.
 
HuskyDogArt said:
A crime spree masquerading as a community college.. That's funny...
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Funny, but true. You know its bad when the forensic audit team has to compile a chronological matrix just to identify which members of the board patently refused to have a friendly chit-chat with the auditors.

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Oh, and why did the scope of this forensic audit begin fiscal year 2010 and not before then? It wouldn't have anything to do with the Yum! Center bonds being issued in 2010 would it?
 
huskyrob1 said:
It's just the number of households that still have cable boxes and still pay $180 a month. That number is shrinking faster than you can say FireStick. Don't you see the flaw in your argument? Less households means less revenue for the cable companies AND the B1G. Someday it will be zero or close to it, people are wising up and realizing they can get by watching anything they want for only $60 a month with an internet connection and even that game can change for the ISP's if cellular technology improves, and it will. At that point the actual number of people who tune in to a Rutgers game (not much) starts to mean something for the B1G and the P5 in general. Also I don't think at that point that anybody will want to subsidize Rutgers football in NJ and make it a TV add on right because their ratings suck.
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Sigh, you're right Rob that Delaney guy doesn't know what he's doing. Frankly I expect B10 schools to start petitioning to join the AAC any day now.:rolleyes:
 
Look at all the recruits the Big Ten is pulling out of New Jersey and MD/DC/NOVA now. It is night and day different from the years prior to the B1G adding UMD and RU. Before, only Penn State had a consistent presence in the region. Now most of the B1G does. Look how well the B1G has performed lately in football. Look at how well several have done in recent recruiting classes. These recruits are helping to improve the football teams of many B1G schools. The recruiting benefit of the additions of UMD and RU can’t be ignored.
 
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Butch said:
Doesn't it suck that Villanova will never get into any other conference? Even the ACC?
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Nope. The Big East is a perfect fit. Not even shopping.
 
Zissou said:
Nope. The Big East is a perfect fit. Not even shopping.
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Go figure. But Seton Hall is a better add than Rutgers to the Big 10. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.
 
Butch said:
Go figure. But Seton Hall is a better add than Rutgers to the Big 10. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.
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You brought up the Hall. Like Wichita State, SH doesn't have a football program. I was employing sarcasm to highlight your comment as foolish. I don't really think suiting up the Hall's soccer team to compete with Rutgers football is viable. Rutgers would probably win that contest, most of the time.
 
Zissou said:
You brought up the Hall. Like Wichita State, SH doesn't have a football program. I was employing sarcasm to highlight your comment as foolish. I don't really think suiting up the Hall's soccer team to compete with Rutgers football is viable. Rutgers would probably win that contest, most of the time.
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Oh, so you are trying to troll me. Didn't work. Because all you did was make yourself look stupid.
 
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