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jpm25 said:
no, I was calling for his firing. I might have been first.
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Now there's something to be proud of -- you wanted the guy gone, he left and we collapsed. And yet you're here thinking your opinons have credibility?

Forget Edsall's apology -- if you were a good person you'd apologize to the rest of us for having thought the program was going to get better post-Edsall before you continued to post here.
 
It was crazy to want him gone. But don't think for a second that he wasn't replaceable just because we did a $h!++y job replacing him.
 
Excalibur said:
It was crazy to want him gone. But don't think for a second that he wasn't replaceable just because we did a $h!++y job replacing him.
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Of course he was replaceable. No one is irreplaceable. Had we lost Calhoun in '98, the odds were good if we brought in Coach K the success would continue.

It's not a question of whether someone is irreplaceable or not -- it's a question of how likely you are to find someone who would do as good or better a job. Six years in, logic would suggest that it wasn't nearly as easy as those who wanted him gone thought.
 
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sdhusky said:
At Miami, Nebraska and LSU.

Good example
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I guess you're happy with 8-5 I'm not. You simply have lower expectations than I do and don't think they type of success is possible is guess.

They all play FBS football - Christ you're like the plyers and parents of the players that played for Dan Hawkins.

It's ok to have standards that are as high as the most successful programs in the country.

I'm glad you don't work for me - let's aim to be pretty good not great.

Unreal
 
Northbound said:
I guess you're happy with 8-5 I'm not. You simply have lower expectations than I do and don't think they type of success is possible is guess.

They all play FBS football - Christ you're like the plyers and parents of the players that played for Dan Hawkins.

It's ok to have standards that are as high as the most successful programs in the country.

I'm glad you don't work for me - let's aim to be pretty good not great.

Unreal
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Not being content with 8-5 has nothing to do with firing someone for 8-5.

When UConn regularly sells out 80,000-100,000+ seat stadiums, competes with national championship contenders regularly, and has boosters with unlimited checkbooks, then we can start comparing our behavior to Nebraska, LSU, and Georgia.

At UConn we should set high standards, and have lofty goals. But 8-5 at UConn isn't a failure in the same way it is at Georgia, LSU, or Nebraska.

And if UConn were to fire a coach for going 8-5, you can forget about ever finding the coach that would start the generations-long process of turning UConn into a Georgia, LSU, or Nebraska.

I'm glad you don't work for me. Let's fire anyone who is pretty good but not great. No, you fire C players, develop your B players, all while retaining/recruiting A players.
 
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Northbound said:
I guess you're happy with 8-5 I'm not. You simply have lower expectations than I do and don't think they type of success is possible is guess.

They all play FBS football - Christ you're like the plyers and parents of the players that played for Dan Hawkins.

It's ok to have standards that are as high as the most successful programs in the country.

I'm glad you don't work for me - let's aim to be pretty good not great.

Unreal
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Great programs bring 5 to 8 thousand fans to road games. We don't bring 500 even when we play in driving distance.

Great programs have more than 60k fans show up at games even when they're having bad years. We don't even have those numbers in our dreams.

Great programs are in conferences that people care about.

Great programs, mostly, are in areas that produce far more top level talent than Connecticut (and the Northeast is general) do.

Great programs don't compete with 3 NFL teams in their market.

Great programs have a history, that makes high school coaches proud when they get to brag a kid goes there and cause them to favor those schools.

Do I need to go on? I'm sick and tired of folks thinking that college football is like college basketball and it's that easy to compete on the highest level, and I'm sick and tired of folks thinking that if you're just patient enough a football version of Jim and Geno is going to show up soon.

While we never would have had the state support to go I-A without the success of our basketball programs, that success may also be the papercut that bleeds the football program to death because we have too many fans refusing to accept the time, patience and effort it is going to take to be a perennial Top 25 level program.
 
Northbound said:
I guess you're happy with 8-5 I'm not. You simply have lower expectations than I do and don't think they type of success is possible is guess.

They all play FBS football - Christ you're like the plyers and parents of the players that played for Dan Hawkins.

It's ok to have standards that are as high as the most successful programs in the country.

I'm glad you don't work for me - let's aim to be pretty good not great.

Unreal
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I'm happy with 8-5 in the short term. If next season or 2018 we're 8-5 I'd be ecstatic. If in 2025 we haven't eclipsed 8-5 I wouldn't be. The point is you have to view hiring Edsall from the perspective of where we currently are and what the process is to be able to aim for greatness. He's someone who can build us back to respectability and position the program to be taken over by someone who we could expect to win 10 games every year. Right now aiming for greatness is a great thought, and we should, but it's not a realistic short-term goal. UConn football has become a laughing stock under P and BD. P was so obviously past his time and drove the program downward into subpar status, and then BD came in and turned us into a sideshow. The Civil Conflict nonsense made us the butt of national media jokes, his befuddling schemes and subsequent answers in the media made you seriously wonder if he was in touch with reality. As it stands now, the college football world views UConn football as a joke. Under Randy we were viewed as "too new" or "too young" to be taken seriously, but we were winning games, beating a few good programs, consistently making bowls, and regularly placing multiple guys in the NFL. The latter is a hell of a lot better place to be than we are, and it's also a realistic short-term goal. So, let's realistically shoot to be "pretty good" over the next few years, then see if we can move up to being great.
 
Northbound said:
I guess you're happy with 8-5 I'm not. You simply have lower expectations than I do and don't think they type of success is possible is guess.

They all play FBS football - Christ you're like the plyers and parents of the players that played for Dan Hawkins.

It's ok to have standards that are as high as the most successful programs in the country.

I'm glad you don't work for me - let's aim to be pretty good not great.

Unreal
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Man you are lost.

Miami and LSU were not built overnight. You are the idiot who fires his salesmen who doubled his startups profit over the last year, but believes he his startup should be making Google money.
 
jpm25 said:
no, I was calling for his firing. I might have been first.
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The guy leads UConn into the lala land - the Fiesta Bowl
And you called for his dismissal??????
You are either stupid, delusional or a liar - which one?
 
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Jerry1714 said:
Man you are lost.

Miami and LSU were not built overnight. You are the idiot who fires his salesmen who doubled his startups profit over the last year, but believes he his startup should be making Google money.
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No actually I don't. My business keeps growing because we have people who want to be great and build a great company.

You don't seem to understand. Im really well aware of how they build it over years - get a nut sack - have high expectations - those expectations don't need to come to fruition overnight.

II guys have a reading comprehension problem - please show me where I said or indicated that that successs has to come over night. Why people can't read clearly is beyond me.

Have greater expectations than 8-5 if that's where you want this program enjoy it. I'm sure the guys at UL and UH aspired to be 8-5.

You don't get it.
 
Northbound said:
No actually I don't. My business keeps growing because we have people who want to be great and build a great company.
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Here's an idea, warren buffet, you write the check to the AD that allows us to pay $7 million for a top coach.

What do you say sport?

That's what Phil Knight does. Are you saying you don't want to be like him? Why are your sites set so low???
 
Northbound said:
No actually I don't. My business keeps growing because we have people who want to be great and build a great company.

You don't seem to understand. Im really well aware of how they build it over years - get a nut sack - have high expectations - those expectations don't need to come to fruition overnight.

II guys have a reading comprehension problem - please show me where I said or indicated that that successs has to come over night. Why people can't read clearly is beyond me.

Have greater expectations than 8-5 if that's where you want this program enjoy it. I'm sure the guys at UL and UH aspired to be 8-5.

You don't get it.
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Man you really are lost, or obtuse, or dim. One of the above though for sure.

Miles and Richt get fired for having 5 star talent all over the field and going 8-5 (in programs where winning 10 games is the norm). Randy goes 8-5 (1 win less than the programs best ever year) with 2 star recruits in a program in its infancy and you want him fired because UGA or LSU would (no they would not). Ha ok.
 
Northbound said:
No actually I don't. My business keeps growing because we have people who want to be great and build a great company.

You don't seem to understand. Im really well aware of how they build it over years - get a nut sack - have high expectations - those expectations don't need to come to fruition overnight.

II guys have a reading comprehension problem - please show me where I said or indicated that that successs has to come over night. Why people can't read clearly is beyond me.

Have greater expectations than 8-5 if that's where you want this program enjoy it. I'm sure the guys at UL and UH aspired to be 8-5.

You don't get it.
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What's the name of your company?
 
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gtcam said:
Can't wait till you eat those words
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He won't. He was complaining all the time we won 9, 8, 8 and 8 games Edsall's last 4 years.

But he's not the worst. Forgive me if I have this wrong, but others here will remember: wasn't it Muntz who definitively posted in 2010 at 3-4 that we sucked and we wouldn't win another game all year? Triggering our 5 game run to the conference championship and the Fiesta Bowl?
 
businesslawyer said:
Great programs bring 5 to 8 thousand fans to road games. We don't bring 500 even when we play in driving distance.

Great programs have more than 60k fans show up at games even when they're having bad years. We don't even have those numbers in our dreams.

Great programs are in conferences that people care about.

Great programs, mostly, are in areas that produce far more top level talent than Connecticut (and the Northeast is general) do.

Great programs don't compete with 3 NFL teams in their market.

Great programs have a history, that makes high school coaches proud when they get to brag a kid goes there and cause them to favor those schools.

Do I need to go on? I'm sick and tired of folks thinking that college football is like college basketball and it's that easy to compete on the highest level, and I'm sick and tired of folks thinking that if you're just patient enough a football version of Jim and Geno is going to show up soon.

While we never would have had the state support to go I-A without the success of our basketball programs, that success may also be the papercut that bleeds the football program to death because we have too many fans refusing to accept the time, patience and effort it is going to take to be a perennial Top 25 level program.
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I liked this post but a bit disappointed that you did not have "Whereas" before each Great.....;) :D
 
sdhusky said:
Here's an idea, warren buffet, you write the check to the AD that allows us to pay $7 million for a top coach.

What do you say sport?

That's what Phil Knight does. Are you saying you don't want to be like him? Why are your sites set so low???
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I'm not saying I'm like him remotely.

Football at UCONN is what you want to make it - you want 8-5 every year good for you, them you don't deserve to be in the P5. Enjoy the the minor bowl you go to in Charlotte or Detroit and you can say to your buds we had a great time in some second tier city at a second tier bowl - congratulations, yippee.

I wouldn't write a check for any more money to this school if it was your money. We've already given plenty, not Burton money, but plenty by almost any measure. Just like I'm sure many here have.

RE is a less then an ideal hire , but it's the only person the school can get. So got to make the best of it. He'll get you your 8-5.

This fan base is happy to be Wake Forest or Indiana. in football, sad.

Aspire to be greater than that. Maybe hoping to be mediocre works for you congratulations.

If in 10-15 years you're celebrating 8-5 seasons that will be pitiful.

I guarantee that long term RE expects better than 8-5 each year.

I love seeing you guys get your nuts in a wad. So easy to get folks provoked here, too funny - relax your life doesn't depend on UCONN football. You can drink beer outside and set up a grill a lot of places in the fall.

Now who wants to go outside and fight about it - comical.
 
Northbound said:
I guess you're happy with 8-5 I'm not. You simply have lower expectations than I do and don't think they type of success is possible is guess.

They all play FBS football - Christ you're like the plyers and parents of the players that played for Dan Hawkins.

It's ok to have standards that are as high as the most successful programs in the country.

I'm glad you don't work for me - let's aim to be pretty good not great.

Unreal
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There are expectations and unrealistic expectations.

One can hope for better than 8-5, and actually one year he got them to 9-3.

But to expect it at a school with very little history, tradition and virtually no recruiting base falls in the unrealistic expectation category.

My expectations for Randy? Eventually compete for an AAC title more years than not and go bowling most years. Reasonable? I think so.
 
I think the expectation here, board wide, is that Randy will guide us to 8 win seasons and in that time frame groom our OC to become the next head coach. The next head coach will take us to the promised land. I hope. I really hope...
 
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