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Texas & OK ask to join SEC?

hardcorehusky said:
Pure academia - let's put together a committee to explore why Texas and Oklahoma want out and what are the reasons. Head bang
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Texas and Oklahoma are leaving, just a question of where. Are you saying they shouldn't meet to discuss it? What should they do? Try telepathy? Binge watch Breaking Bad? I am sure they are open to ideas right now.
 
Remember when UConn and the rest of the Big East threw Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State, and Baylor lifelines when it looked like OU, UT, Texas Tech and OSU were all leaving? I do.

Remember five years later when those same 4 schools made UConn dance to try to get into the Big 12, and then told UConn that they would rather add no teams than add UConn? I do.

I am really, really enjoying this.
 
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If we are going to use the Big 12 as a mall analogy, it is more like this:

Texas = Jake
Oklahoma = Elwood

 
The Big 12 is better off letting Texas and Oklahoma out of the Grant of Rights for a big buyout and moving on. A lot can go wrong in 4 years if the Big 12 tries to be punitive. Most obviously, the Big 12 can't be the aggressor with the AAC or MWC if it is locked up with UT and OU through 2025. The Big 12 needs to reconstitute quickly and try to stand up a new league, because the uncertainty will kill its programs, especially in coaching and recruiting.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Remember when UConn and the rest of the Big East threw Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State, and Baylor lifelines when it looked like OU, UT, Texas Tech and OSU were all leaving? I do.

Remember five years later when those same 4 schools made UConn dance to try to get into the Big 12, and then told UConn that they would rather add no teams than add UConn? I do.

I am really, really enjoying this.
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The more I think about this, the less likely I see other conferences adding teams. Is there anyone they really want? People keep assuming Kansas is getting picked up - why? Basketball doesn't matter. It's an average school. No one lives in Kansas. They don't make any money. People assume Iowa State gets picked up. Well, again, why? Because they had a few good years of football? No one wanted WVU besides the Big XII.

I'll be happiest to see them all get stuck with each other and have to add the mormons and cincinatti or florida directional A and florida directional B.
 
Eavesdrop said:
That's good to know.

I've wondered since moving to Connecticut in 2017 why UConn athletics isn't more active/present in Fairfield County. Glad past leadership saw an opportunity there, and like you, hope the current leaders get back to it. (Do wish that venue was in/a bit closer to Stamford/Darien, but...)
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Guys,

Its at most 90 minutes to Hartford if there is road construction. Its Bad enough they play half the home schedule there. Maybe we should build a domed stadium in Wallingford and one in Newtown. That way they can play near everyone…of course the fans in Canaan will complain then.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
The Big 12 is better off letting Texas and Oklahoma out of the Grant of Rights for a big buyout and moving on. A lot can go wrong in 4 years if the Big 12 tries to be punitive. Most obviously, the Big 12 can't be the aggressor with the AAC or MWC if it is locked up with UT and OU through 2025. The Big 12 needs to reconstitute quickly and try to stand up a new league, because the uncertainty will kill its programs, especially in coaching and recruiting.
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What would happen with the existing tv contract if that happened? The rest of the Big 12 needs to collect those checks as long as possible before they get halved.
 
I have been checking around and found that.

West Virginia is already in the Acc, from the sounds of it.

Kansas and Iowa st are locks for the Big 10

Houston and Unlv are packed for the pac.

Cinncy ucf memphis and usf are already playing in the new big 12
 
djct1999 said:
What would happen with the existing tv contract if that happened? The rest of the Big 12 needs to collect those checks as long as possible before they get halved.
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UConn dragged out its own realignment process to cash in on a few extra bucks in other schools’ exit fees. How did that work out?
 
I really wonder if you start to see some growth in the independent ranks after this shakes out. Kansas is basically the Midwest version of us yet they had a stable, all sports home. Until now. Their bball needs a good home while their football can just do it's thing in independence like ours will do. I can see WVU try and get their bball into a better bball conference if the Big 12 schools get picked off. It might force it's FB team into independence. Will any other school do something similar and do what's best for one sport? I don't know. I don't think the remaining Big 12 schools know either! Lol!
 
UCFBfan said:
I really wonder if you start to see some growth in the independent ranks after this shakes out. Kansas is basically the Midwest version of us yet they had a stable, all sports home. Until now. Their bball needs a good home while their football can just do it's thing in independence like ours will do. I can see WVU try and get their bball into a better bball conference if the Big 12 schools get picked off. It might force it's FB team into independence. Will any other school do something similar and do what's best for one sport? I don't know. I don't think the remaining Big 12 schools know either! Lol!
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This would be ideal but I think Kansas reluctantly has the big 10 scoop them up. WV to ACC seems inevitable. If anything independents can shrink with BYU.
 
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UCFBfan said:
I'm not sure about WVU to the ACC. I don't see what they bring to that conference. There is no additional revenue there.
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At this point it’s about keeping up. If the SEC goes to 16 so will the other 2 or as close to it as possible.
 
Ajs120102 said:
At this point it’s about keeping up. If the SEC goes to 16 so will the other 2 or as close to it as possible.
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I guess the question I ask, then, is how exactly does west virginia help them "keep up?" 16 isn't a magical number.

ND is the last chip on the board that's really worth anything. Maybe WV rides their coattails but if ND goes full time in the ACC, they're picking who comes with them. Will they pick West Virginia?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
UConn dragged out its own realignment process to cash in on a few extra bucks in other schools’ exit fees. How did that work out?
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The remaining Big 12 schools fate's are sealed. If one or two are lucky enough to get a lifeline with the Pac12, they will jump. The rest, similiar to UConn, will be left for dead. For those schools, its probably best to keep this going as long as possible to earn 35 mil per and not 5.
This time around, it doesn't feel like there is any consolation prize for playing nice. TCU and Iowa State should try to get as much as they can by playing hardball.
 
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djct1999 said:
The remaining Big 12 schools fate's are sealed. If one or two are lucky enough to get a lifeline with the Pac12, they will jump. The rest, similiar to UConn, will be left for dead. For those schools, its probably best to keep this going as long as possible to earn 35 mil per and not 5.
This time around, it doesn't feel like there is any consolation prize for playing nice. TCU and Iowa State should try to get as much as they can by playing hardball.
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UConn burned its football program to the ground and damaged its basketball program by staying in the AAC to collect a few extra exit fee checks. We should have left for the Big East as soon as Louisville got the last life raft to the ACC.
 
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Playing what ifs...

What if the end game is a pull-away league.... four super conferences of 18 teams each? And the Big 12 folds.

The ACC would have to add four
the B1G would have to add four
The SEC adds OK and Texas plus two more
The Pac needs six more...

IF, if all current Big 12 teams found a home, that leaves room for Notre Dame plus six who are current G-5 programs.
 
If Texas and Oklahoma leave the Big 12 early and successfully challenge the GORs, that could be a problem for the ACC. Long term, I just don't see how Clemson and Florida State can afford to stay in the ACC as their instate rivals South Carolina and Florida have much larger, and growing, media contracts.

As for the Big 12 schools, none of them really move the needle (Kansas does a little) so its hard to see any other P5 conference having any interest in them. Some in the Big 12 may not want to hear this, but in a streaming world, UConn women's basketball may be more valuable than than most of the left behind Big 12 schools.
 
WVU as a football independent is intriguing.

They can still recruit any player, no worries about academics. Strong brand reputation through eastern half of US. They could put together a strong schedule. Fan base is rabid.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
Yeah i was wondering what part of northern Fairfield County let alone Litchfield identifies with NYC. I would say it's really just the towns along and south of the parkway.
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UConn is huge in Litchfield and Fairfield County. NYC is so darn big, everything gets lost. When UConn is good it is on radar in NYC. Same with Syracuse and St John's and even Rutgers.

Stamford might be the one town that is more NYC than CT, but once you hit Norwalk it is definitely UConn country.
 
billybud said:
Playing what ifs...

What if the end game is a pull-away league.... four super conferences of 18 teams each? And the Big 12 folds.

The ACC would have to add four
the B1G would have to add four
The SEC adds OK and Texas plus two more
The Pac needs six more...

IF, if all current Big 12 teams found a home, that leaves room for Notre Dame plus six who are current G-5 programs.
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I don't think you need to ask "what if," as I think that has been the end game all along. All that's missing is the ability for the big conferences to be able to force out their grandfathered in dead weight schools. Once that's accomplished, the pull-away league basically becomes a pro league unencumbered by the NCAA, and concentrates a lot of wealth into a few dozen or so schools where athletics, primarily football and men's basketball, are paramount. That will essentially be the big reset for college athletics because once the big money schools break away, everyone else can exhale and stop with the athletic arm's race money pit, formulate practical conferences around geography/travel, and have actual student-athletes.
 
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