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huskymedic said:
That's nice...

Greg Abbott@GregAbbott_TX 24 mins ago
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Jayzus. Texas good ol' boy politics.

Someone tell someone in Texas that Governor Malloy just threw down $1.5 BILLION (with a B) for UConn recently for research expansion projects. That does not include the hundreds of millions spent prior to that on general campus expansions and our FBS upgrade.

$1.5B > $34M. You need evidence of a complete and through backing from a school inside its home market? That right there is it. Fund another $1.496 BILLION (with a B) to Houston and then we can talk about how much backing Houston really has.

This kind of stuff drives me absolutely nuts. Either the Governor is p1ssed because he threw away $34M to a garbage school under the guise that is what was needed to get Houston into the Big 12, hence all of these hogwash comments. Or, this is his way of acting like the Texas father disciplining his eldest (and favorite) son to play nice his youngest brothers. "Y'all play nice now, Gregory. There'll be plenty o'succotash for all y'all boys after football practice." Maybe both.
 
FDNY99 said:
I can't see Houston getting in unless they take 4 teams. The Texas Gov and Lt Gov can say all they want..there are 6 schools in the B-12 that aren't in the state of TX and there for aren't accountable to those 2.
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The positive in this scenario is that with 4 teams and one of them (Houston) having political clout there might be a fairer deal coming down the pike with less of a reduction needed to satisfy current members. Go for 4 please!!!
 
Butch said:
So in your mind, it would be BYU, UH, UC and UConn. I don't see BYU fitting in well. But who knows.
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I'm sure we'll see a thousand different projections of this:

North ... UConn, WVU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, BYU

South ... Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Texas, Houston, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

It will be an odd duck no matter what we do.
 
Adding Houston means B12 has to go to 14. If they just add Cincy and Houston, it would look like crap to most fans. It also added no major markets or anything. If they added UCONN, BYU, Cincy, and Houston, at least it will hide the Houston addition since UCONN and BYU would make up for the lackluster Houston addition.

Let's hope B12 goes to 14 like every other P5 conference. With 14, we are almost guarantee to be in.
 
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Redding Husky said:
I'm sure we'll see a thousand different projections of this:

North ... UConn, WVU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, BYU

South ... Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Texas, Houston, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

It will be an odd duck no matter what we do.
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I meant BYU being added as a football-only school. 15 in other sports doesn't sound comfortable to work with.
 
Charley Horse said:
Texas hasn't elected a decent statewide politician since the 1990 election but it's really not surprising because most Texans are idiots. I'm a proud, native Texan and even I hate other Texans. It seems like everywhere in the world I go, the biggest idiot in the room is always another Texan.

I could tell stories. Oh well. That's my cross to bear.

That said, THIS is why the Big 12 has to take four.
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Let me get this straight. Texas economy is among the most healthy in the USA>. Our economy is in the tank.It's population is growing our is shrinking. Yet "most Texans are idiots"?
What we really need to seal our fate is for Blumenthal to sue the Big 12. That did the trick with the ACC.
 
WestCoastHusky said:
Adding Houston means B12 has to go to 14. If they just add Cincy and Houston, it would look like crap to most fans. It also added no major markets or anything. If they added UCONN, BYU, Cincy, and Houston, at least it will hide the Houston addition since UCONN and BYU would make up for the lackluster Houston addition.

Let's hope B12 goes to 14 like every other P5 conference. With 14, we are almost guarantee to be in.
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#PrayFor4
 
Jake Trotter ‏@Jake_Trotter 13m13 minutes ago Oklahoma, USA
Texas Tech issues statement on Houston:
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jostar1 said:
Jake Trotter ‏@Jake_Trotter 13m13 minutes ago Oklahoma, USA
Texas Tech issues statement on Houston:
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Public statements of support like this seem forced to me. Maybe TT really wants Houston, or maybe they are just publicly saying they do so that they won't get to much push back when Houston is not selected.
 
The Big 12 has said travel distances are not a factor. They're looking for the four best schools. None of the candidates are perfect, but I have to believe there are two groups:

1) UConn, BYU, Cincinnati, Houston
2) Memphis, Colorado State, UCF, USF

The only problem I see for them is if BYU has some issue holding them back (they can be difficult). Then the Big 12 would have to dip down into the second group.
 
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I said this this spring before the earlier meeting. This is the same garbage that happened when UVA forced the ACC to take VA Tech

Houston has a strong story though in terms of market, access to NBA and NFL facilities for larger games, large enrollment and investing in facilities

I am very cautious on UConn's chances based 70% on location, 10% on UConn's relatively lousy football product and 20% on the poor recruiting in CT and New England

The market is somewhat attractive if you believe a) anyone in the Northeast cares about college football, which is a huge question mark, b) they have any plans to consider a network at some point

If I was the B12 and I took UConn I'd basically require they play at least 1 game a year in either Yankee stadium or Met Life

UT or OU @ met Life and in other years 1 @ Yankee stadium

Would suck, but part of the marketing of B12 to NYC. I would also do the same for hoops, 1-2 UConn home games @ MSG or Barclays.
 
Utah Governor makes a funny:

Gov. Gary Herbert ‏@GovHerbert · 23h23 hours ago
I think you meant to say @BYU Governor.

Gov. Gary Herbert Retweeted Greg Abbott

Greg Abbott
‏@GregAbbott_TX
Big 12 expansion is a non-starter unless it includes University of Houston. @UHouston



Gov. Gary Herbert
@GovHerbert
Proudly serving as the 17th governor of the great state of Utah
 
BlueHen said:
Public statements of support like this seem forced to me. Maybe TT really wants Houston, or maybe they are just publicly saying they do so that they won't get to much push back when Houston is not selected.
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TT wants UT to stay not UH to come
 
noeynox said:
This is my worst fear. We have no politicians with any juice in this area.

My only hope is that that big 12 decides they're not going to be strong armed by Tillman Fertita, cause make no mistake this is him cashing in his chips with the governor for his campaign contributions.
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They could conceivably threaten to boycott his entire restaurant chain if he doesn't shut up.
 
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JSM1970 said:
I said this this spring before the earlier meeting. This is the same garbage that happened when UVA forced the ACC to take VA Tech

Houston has a strong story though in terms of market, access to NBA and NFL facilities for larger games, large enrollment and investing in facilities

I am very cautious on UConn's chances based 70% on location, 10% on UConn's relatively lousy football product and 20% on the poor recruiting in CT and New England

The market is somewhat attractive if you believe a) anyone in the Northeast cares about college football, which is a huge question mark, b) they have any plans to consider a network at some point

If I was the B12 and I took UConn I'd basically require they play at least 1 game a year in either Yankee stadium or Met Life

UT or OU @ met Life and in other years 1 @ Yankee stadium

Would suck, but part of the marketing of B12 to NYC. I would also do the same for hoops, 1-2 UConn home games @ MSG or Barclays.
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We have so many factors going for us that we should be a lock if they add four schools. But I still can't escape that "Lucy pulling the football back on Charlie Brown" mindset.

I'm not counting on an invite. If it happens, it will be an unexpected gift from the football gods.
 
FDNY99 said:
I can't see Houston getting in unless they take 4 teams. The Texas Gov and Lt Gov can say all they want..there are 6 schools in the B-12 that aren't in the state of TX and there for aren't accountable to those 2.
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That's true, however when the last round of CR occurred, those six schools morphed into Neville Chamberlain mode, begging for crumbs at the altar of UT, like Chamberlain telling Hitler, "Sure, take the Sudetenland if you like!"

Maybe now they don't perceive themselves as being blackmailed by the Longhorns, but long term league stability, even if illusory, begins and ends with doing what UT wants.
 
"Oil barons in Texas/Oklahoma look to increase profits by forcing more jet fuel consumption."
'Back B12 expansion to UConn and BYU.'
OSU sugar daddy T Boone Pickens summed it up best.
" We don't give two hoots about those Yankees or Mormons but if it means more flying miles and more gas guzzling on those aero--planes we're all in"
 
Butch said:
Future Big 12: The contenders, wild cards and ... UCLA?

UConn, Houston, Cincy and Memphis/Tulane seems to be the most reasonable way to go.
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Has anyone seen a REAL comparison of the potential candidates and how they compare to the rest of the Big 12... Academics, enrollment, AD, facilities...
Tulane and Memphis? They had to kick and scream for the AAC.

I remember the announcement for Tulane to the AAC. It was like they were using the McHappy Room at the local McDonalds to do the interview. I think there was a temporary Tulane Athletics banner hanging crooked in the background partially covering the Hamburglar. They don't have the facilities.
 
It's gonna be really funny if UH doesn't get a spot after all this.

Even if UConn doesn't get in, I'll crack a smile if UH doesn't get in either, since they tried to cheat and still failed
 
Here's what I'm curious about in terms of BYU. How much of a "haircut" are they willing to take in order to join the Big 12? What revenue do they currently make from their independent status. I know there's BYUTV but I have no clue what they get from it. I can see BYU wanting to join but not wanting to budge too much on what they'll be getting. So I wonder if the Big 12 wants BYU so badly that they'll not force them to take less money like they are claiming will be done with the other members.
 
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amory said:
It's gonna be really funny if UH doesn't get a spot after all this.

Even if UConn doesn't get in, I'll crack a smile if UH doesn't get in either, since they tried to cheat and still failed
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I feel like this situation has Louisville to ACC written all of it. We make a lot of sense to add to a P5 conference, even if it's the Big 12, and UH just seems like they don't. Which means we are sure to be left in the cold and UH will be in.
 
UCFBfan said:
I feel like this situation has Louisville to ACC written all of it. We make a lot of sense to add to a P5 conference, even if it's the Big 12, and UH just seems like they don't. Which means we are sure to be left in the cold and UH will be in.
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Louisville was 10 times the candidate UH is. Very solid football, great basketball (3 national championships), excellent facilities, etc.

Plus this time I think they're adding 4 schools. In which case, I think we both get in.
 
My UT buddy reports in--agrees with BlueHen.

My guess is that the lobbying is false .....
They know UH will get blocked by the Northern schools, but it looks good to the voters to support UH.
" hey, we publicly lobbied hard for UH, but they just didn't have the votes from OK and KS schools."
 
IMHO it all comes to down to how hard a line UT is willing to hold for UH.

If UT says "the only way UT will agree to any expansion (and thus also allow UT's B12 Texas minions to agree to expansion) is if UH is added and UT is willing to go to 14 to get a seat for UH" then UH will be in.

If UT says "we agree to B12 expansion (and thus allow our Texas sycophants to also agree to expansion) and while UT votes for UH, we will comply with the expansion recommendations of majority" then UH is probably dead in the water. The problem with this scenario for UConn is expansion could be limited to only 2 teams (maybe??). Yes, only going to 12 instead of 14 is leaving millions on the table but the B12 has never made wise financial decisions.

As far as UConn's interests I am not sure the first scenario with UT mandating UH is not the safer one. UConn is clearly in the top 3 but could be sitting in that #3 spot behind Cincy and BYU. If the Big12 goes to 14 I really like UConn's chances a lot more than if it only goes to 12. If the UH power play helps UConn's chances then I am all for it even if I feel bad for the UCF and Memphis who probably will get bypassed for UH.
 
This is how it's going to happen:
1. B12 is going to expand soon. They would not have done a 180 so quickly on their stance regarding expansion if they were not going to act imminently. The reason for this is 3 fold - a) The recent BiG and SEC TV deals, b) the recent ACC TV network, and c) the expansion of the SEC reach into TX due to A&M. All three threaten the relevance of the B12 and put P5 status in jeopardy. Therefore, time to expand.
2. B12 is going to expand to 14 teams. This gives them the opportunity to grab the best schools prior to possible expansion by other P5 conferences, moves them to 14 teams like almost all of the other P5 conferences, and gives them more of a national footprint, which is necessary for conference relevance, TV deals, and P5 status.
3. B12 is going to invite the 4 schools that make the conference look more "national" for the reasons cited above in point 2.
4. B12 may try to reach for a couple of current ACC schools first, like FSU or Louisville. Those schools turn them down.
5. Therefore, B12 will expand with UCONN, Houston, UC, and BYU starting in 2017. Expect the announcement before the start of the 2016 football season.
 
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