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Hey Fishy, maybe 20 years ago she wasn't too bad? In any event this is sad and let's try to be a little more positive here.
 
I read that NY times piece too and it really raises some troubling quesitons. I mean, how difficult is it for the lawyers investigating the allegations against Fine to pick up the phone and call they Syracuse PD and DA and ask if they have been contacted by Davis or is there anything they know? Yet apparently they never did anything. Apparently never even contacted Boeheim...plus the example you gave...it raises a question in my mind about how much they wanted to get to the bottom and how much they wanted to be able to say we looked into this and it was nothing...As I said, as more and more slime leaks out, I just don't see any way Boeheim lasts the season, certainly beyond the season...
 
fleudslipcon said:
I think this article demonstrates that more and more things about the bb program will surface. None of them by themselves should be harmful. But taken with the Fine mess, if that mess is verified by the legal system, will be a bid problem for JB.

This passage I felt has the potential to hurt Syracuse and maybe JB:

One former associate dean said it was not the first time that an internal investigation by the university involving athletics had been questioned.
In 2007, three Syracuse basketball players were accused of sexual assault by a female student. David Potter, a former associate dean in the College of Arts and Sciences who helped the student through the process, described attempts to get her a university judicial hearing as arduous and exhaustive. Ultimately, Potter needed to meet with Cantor and Evans to schedule the hearing. Eventually, the players were cleared of the charges but found responsible for behavior “that threatened the mental health” of the woman.
On Nov. 16, the day before the allegations against Fine became public, Potter wrote a letterto the student newspaper, The Daily Orange, saying that Syracuse’s reputation could not “withstand an independent outside investigation of some of the decisions and actions of its most senior administrators without suffering the kind of damage Penn State is now experiencing.”
Potter said his experience with the administration in the case involving the basketball players left him wary of Syracuse’s internal workings.
“I have very little confidence in them handling a matter like this internally, as I worry that they would have mixed motives in attempting to carry something like that out,” Potter said of the 2005 internal investigation. He added: “That’s why I feel some ray of hope with U.S. attorney’s office and Secret Service involved. We’re getting away from this sort of incestuous stuff that goes on around here all the time.”
Link to article: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/s...-abuse-case.html?pagewanted=2&_r=3&ref=sports
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This is not a surprise. Cuse hired a totally separate firm to investigate how the 2005 investigation was done.

It sounds smart I suppose, but you can't tell me there aren't a few nervous people who were central to the 2005 investigation.
 
So disappointing. I mean really, if there's a sex tape of a Syracuse coach's wife with players, it needs to be Juli Boeheim.

Find this hard to believe. If Syracuse hoops players can't do better than Ms. Fine with the local co-eds, I'd be shocked if they could ever recruit another player.
 
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The odd thing is that new Chief Fowler went out of his way to avoid discussing the protocols for sex abuse claims in 2002. He absolutely refused to touch on the issue, and though he mentioned it in his report, he pointedly related that he did not know whether protocols were followed or not.

If it's not the current Chief's responsibility to get to the bottom of that, whose responsibility is it?

Uptop said:
Once you get that orange sweat on your palms and brow it tough to dry it off.

Coverup cop, Dennis Duval in link below:

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/11/former_syracuse_chief_dennis_d.html
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Prezidint said:
If I'm defending Fine at his assault trial, I introduce this as exhibit 1 and argue mitigating circumstances for his divergent sexual preferences.
laurie-fine__oPt.jpg
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LOL. Underrated post.
 
freescooter said:
The whole situation up there just smells like a 5 day old kettle of raw fish in a heatwave...and the very idea that most people are trying to defend this guy is pretty offensive.
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The fact that people are defending Boeheim against internet rumors concerning the wife of his assistant coach, rumors whose scope and veracity you don't know, is offensive? Get over yourself.
 
upstater said:
Clyde Vaughn was thrown overboard for soliciting for heaven's sake. Come on, I well remember people's reactions to Clive.
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So? That's not relevant to my assertion that no one on this board would blame Calhoun if players were schtuping Mrs. Blaney, absent evidence that Calhoun knew and did not intervene. (And by evidence, of course, I mean something other than internet athletes' vast knowledge of general locker room culture.) I did not state that people on this board wouldn't care about the stchuping. I said people wouldn't blame Calhoun.
 
Spartacus said:
So? That's nowhere near relevant to my assertion that no one on this board would blame Calhoun if players were schtuping Mrs. Blaney without evidence that he knew and did not intervene. (And by evidence, of course, I mean something other than internet athletes' vast knowledge of general locker room culture.) I did not state that people on this board wouldn't care about the stchuping. I said people wouldn't blame Calhoun.
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Everything isn't about you.
 
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upstater said:
Everything isn't about you.
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Most things are. And in this specific case, you were drunkenly responding to my assertion, so forgive me for defending it. Even the self-centered should be able to defend themselves from alcohol induced stupidity.

P.s. I am sure if you hadn't split those four bottles of wine amongst your three friends you'd of remembered who you were responding to. But knowing you were drunk yesterday, you might have re-read the thread before you responded to me. Just sayin...
 
Spartacus said:
Most things are. And in this specific case, you were drunkenly responding to my assertion, so forgive me for defending it. Even the self-centered should be able to defend themselves from alcohol induced stupidity.

P.s. I am sure if you hadn't split those four bottles of wine amongst your three friends you'd of remembered who you were responding to. But knowing you were drunk yesterday, you might have re-read the thread before you responded to me. Just sayin...
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Uh, no. Wasn't responding to you. But if you want to take everything personally, be my guest.
 
upstater said:
Uh, no. Wasn't responding to you. But if you want to take everything personally, be my guest.
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Okay. Let's play that game. Whose post were you responding to? Which post prompted your Clyde defense of the board?

I apologize to everyone else for wasting their time on this, but I think you are a liar right now, and your self righteous positions seem like nothing more than self agregandizement. If you'd lie about something as trivial as something you drunkenly proclaimed on a message board, well, nuff said. You are not trustworthy
 
Yeah you caught me. I was lying about responding to your post. You are too smart to get one past you. It was really your post, I was just pretending that it might have been one of the 30 odd posts that followed yours or all of them collectively together. But ultimately I couldn't overcome your deductive powers. You caught me in a lie.
 
upstater said:
Yeah you caught me. I was lying about responding to your post. You are too smart to get one past you. It was really your post, I was just pretending that it might have been one of the 30 odd posts that followed yours or all of them collectively together. But ultimately I couldn't overcome your deductive powers. You caught me in a lie.
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How hard is it identify the post you were respnding to? I mean, I was supposed to be the self-centered jerk who mistakenly thought it was all about me. If I was so self-centered, please point me to what I missed. Otherwise, why not admit you are a liar, which I now pretty much know you are.

Identify what you were responding to, if not me. How hard is that, unless you want to obfuscate?
 
Easily the most pathetic discussion in the history of the boneyard, and that's saying something.
 
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upstater said:
Easily the most pathetic discussion in the history of the boneyard, and that's saying something.
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Whether you are credible isn't that important, I agree, but I think the answer to that question is pretty obviously disappointing right now. No.
 
SICK SICK SICK. JB IS SWEATING THIS ONE. HIS PRESSER AFTER THE GAME INDICATES TO ME HE IS DESPERATE. HE KNEW AND HE IS TRYING TO ESCAPE THE WRATH. LETS GET BACK TO TALKING BASKETBALL AND THE POSITIVE THINGS TAHT ARE GOING ON.
 
sparky said:
SICK SICK SICK. JB IS SWEATING THIS ONE. HIS PRESSER AFTER THE GAME INDICATES TO ME HE IS DESPERATE. HE KNEW AND HE IS TRYING TO ESCAPE THE WRATH. LETS GET BACK TO TALKING BASKETBALL AND THE POSITIVE THINGS TAHT ARE GOING ON.
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I must be whacky because a lot of people were fine with him being loyal and the previous presser, while I thought he came off horribly by saying he had little interest in knowing what happened. And now I find him contrite not because he's scared of losing his job, but because he spent 3 days at an abuse center talking with victims and specialists. I thought he was honest last night.

I know this Laurie Fine videotape is sensational, but the stuff coming out in the NYT about a 2007 rape case an also the 2005 Syracuse investigation may blow the roof off this thing whether or not the other alleged victims finally come forward.

As I wrote last week, the investigators in 2005 were hired by Cuse. You have to wonder what their job was. I suggested it was to limit Cuse's liabilities while also establishing plausible deniability. Well, law enforcement officials looking at the transcripts note that never once was an accuser asked for corroborating evidence. Also, there is no consideration in the report for informing the authorities. And then you have a retired faculty member making accusations about the athletic program's influence on disciplinary matters.
 
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Boeheim is Penn State's best friend. Penn State protected and enabled a serial child predator for 2 decades, and Boeheim is stealing the headlines because of his freakshow assistant and his equally freakshow wife that behaved inappropriately with one kid, who then proceeded to have a relationship with both Fine's while the kid was an adult.

I think part of why the media is more focused on the Syracuse situation now is Boeheim, but I think part of it is that it is more salacious than scary. Laurie Fine is so bizarre as to become almost comic. Sandusky is simply a terrifying monster. People don't want to watch Sandusky.
 
Why SU replaced Penn State? It's basketball season. Silly season too. Syracuse plays 3 times a week and is a Top 4 team.

Penn State cleaned house to get the heat off. It's now a boring coaching search and post-mortem assessments.
 
RS9999X said:
Why SU replaced Penn State? It's basketball season. Silly season too. Syracuse plays 3 times a week and is a Top 4 team.

Penn State cleaned house to get the heat off. It's now a boring coaching search and post-mortem assessments.
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I read about Sandusky every day at the top of ESPN news, and there are several articles this morning in the NYT on the case.

I never watch ESPN news or Sportscenter or anything like that so maybe that's why I don't sense that the PSU story has fallen off.

Then again, now that the sports aspect of the Sandusky story is over with Paterno being fired, that would explain why OTL isn't running stories while ESPN and the NYT are.

Remember, the Sandusky story broke in the newspapers two years ago and no one took notice. It was Paterno's involvement that did it.
 
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