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Tennessee vs. Stanford -- for whom to root?

oldude said:
Let me guess. Is it because you’re an Irish Catholic?
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Up the long ladder, and down the short rope! The hell with King Billy , and God bless the pope! ;):p
 
Bama fan said:
Up the long ladder, and down the short rope! The hell with King Billy , and God bless the pope! ;):p
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:D I suspect that my veiled reference to the Orange Order of Northern Ireland Protestants was lost on many.
 
UConn82 said:
Rooting for Tennessee? Are you kidding me?:rolleyes:

But, if we want Geno to catch Tara in all-time wins, then, ...

Thoughts?

I mean, this is important.;)

I think I posted this same thing last year.Head bang
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oldude said:
:D I suspect that my veiled reference to the Orange Order of Northern Ireland Protestants was lost on many.
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Irish Catholics refer disparagingly to "King Billy" , aka William III of Orange. His ascendancy to the throne, along with Mary II, marked the bitter end of the struggle between the Stuart monarchs and the growing Protestant movement in England. And, of course, it was devastating to Irish catholics , many of whom were put to death, deported, and had their property seized. Irish Catholics in Ireland have no love for the colour orange.
 
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Bama fan said:
Irish Catholics refer disparagingly to "King Billy" , aka William III of Orange. His ascendancy to the throne, along with Mary II, marked the bitter end of the struggle between the Stuart monarchs and the growing Protestant movement in England. And, of course, it was devastating to Irish catholics , many of whom were put to death, deported, and had their property seized. Irish Catholics in Ireland have no love for the colour orange.
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Take a look at the Irish National Flag...

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OneTrickPony said:
Take a look at the Irish National Flag...

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And your point is what? In the Irish Republic, formed after the rebellion which led to the Irish Free State, the leaders recognized that the alliance of catholics and protestants was necessary for the progress of the nation. The flag represents that alliance. But the Irish Catholic population living in Northern Ireland remains highly critical of the Orange Order. The "Troubles", unfortunately, are far from over as there is lingering distrust on both sides. :(
 
Bama fan said:
Irish Catholics refer disparagingly to "King Billy" , aka William III of Orange. His ascendancy to the throne, along with Mary II, marked the bitter end of the struggle between the Stuart monarchs and the growing Protestant movement in England. And, of course, it was devastating to Irish catholics , many of whom were put to death, deported, and had their property seized. Irish Catholics in Ireland have no love for the colour orange.
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Awesome history lesson that was only slighted by not mentioning the College of William and Mary (second oldest higher education school behind Harvard and educator of 3 presidents-Jefferson, Monroe, Tyler) was founded by his majesty in 1693.
 
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cockhrnleghrn said:
I like Holly; she'd be great to have a beer with, but she isn't a good coach.
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I've met her. She is very personable.
 
CL82 said:
I've met her. She is very personable.
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Never met her but would love Fulmer to give her a lifetime contract as Head Coach....:)
 
DefenseBB said:
Awesome history lesson that was only slighted by not mentioning the College of William and Mary (second oldest higher education school behind Harvard and educator of 3 presidents-Jefferson, Monroe, Tyler) was founded by his majesty in 1693.
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No slight to the College of William and Mary intended. Their majesties did indeed found that institution of higher learning. Unfortunately for the Catholic population of Ireland, their royal majesties used money taken from them to fund their beneficence! And that is no slight to the school, but rather to "Dutch Billy".
 
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Bama fan said:
And your point is what? In the Irish Republic, formed after the rebellion which led to the Irish Free State, the leaders recognized that the alliance of catholics and protestants was necessary for the progress of the nation. The flag represents that alliance. But the Irish Catholic population living in Northern Ireland remains highly critical of the Orange Order. The "Troubles", unfortunately, are far from over as there is lingering distrust on both sides. :(
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Northern Ireland is not the Irish Republic. You can still have a fistfight in Glasgow by wearing green or orange anytime the Celtics play the Rangers.

William III actually pushed to have the Toleration Act of 1689 extended to Roman Catholics.

The historian Kenneth Pearl sees the Act of Toleration as "in many ways a compromise bill. To get nonconformists' (Protestants who were not members of the Church of England) support in the crucial months of 1688". Both the Whig and Tory parties that had rallied around William and Mary had promised nonconformists that such an act would be enacted if the revolution succeeded. James II had himself issued an act of toleration, but the nonconformists believed their future would be more secure if the Sovereign was not a Roman Catholic.

Roman Catholics were no longer hunted down after the passage of the Act, and William III was seen as an ally personally. The Orange on the Celtic Flag is a tip of the hat to the Dutchman that curbed the worst tendencies of the English Anglicans.
 
82, if you have to ask, you're not feeling the room. :confused:
 
UConn82 said:
Rooting for Tennessee? Are you kidding me?:rolleyes:

But, if we want Geno to catch Tara in all-time wins, then, ...

Thoughts?

I mean, this is important.;)

I think I posted this same thing last year.Head bang
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Congratulations @UConn82 Your thread gave us all a chance to dump on the team we hate most. Now, where the hell is @meyers7 ? ;)
 
dogged1 said:
Congratulations @UConn82 Your thread gave us all a chance to dump on the team we hate most. Now, where the hell is @meyers7 ? ;)
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Yup, this was the ole "gimme put back for 2!" or in Liv's case, "put back, get it, put back, get and Napheesa gets, put back for 2!":p
 
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OneTrickPony said:
Northern Ireland is not the Irish Republic. You can still have a fistfight in Glasgow by wearing green or orange anytime the Celtics play the Rangers.

William III actually pushed to have the Toleration Act of 1689 extended to Roman Catholics.

The historian Kenneth Pearl sees the Act of Toleration as "in many ways a compromise bill. To get nonconformists' (Protestants who were not members of the Church of England) support in the crucial months of 1688". Both the Whig and Tory parties that had rallied around William and Mary had promised nonconformists that such an act would be enacted if the revolution succeeded. James II had himself issued an act of toleration, but the nonconformists believed their future would be more secure if the Sovereign was not a Roman Catholic.

Roman Catholics were no longer hunted down after the passage of the Act, and William III was seen as an ally personally. The Orange on the Celtic Flag is a tip of the hat to the Dutchman that curbed the worst tendencies of the English Anglicans.
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I know full well that Northern Ireland is not the Irish Republic, and if you read what I wrote you would not be confused as to that. I know that William III was forced by political circumstance to oppose James and that his bigger fear was the French and Spanish. But battles in 1690 and 1691 ,at the Boyne ,and at Aughrim resulted in the Williamite protestant victory over the Catholic forces. So after they conquered the Irish, and took their land, and and suppressed their faith, the Irish were forced into a tenuous truce of sorts. Just because he wasn't the most intolerant of the English kings , he was still despised by many there. But the point of this whole mess was that the Orange associated with William of Orange was a source of derision and anger for over 300 years among certain Irish. The Jacobites were not the best of the bunch, but the "to hell or Cannacht ' English were hardly considerate of the Irish people. He may have tried to curb their "worst" tendencies, but their "regular" tendencies led directly to the genocide of the Irish in the starvation during the 1840s and 1850s. Up the Republic and Go Huskies! :D
 
vowelguy said:
Sorry, but there can only ever be 2 reasons to root for the orange people:

1) Their victory would weaken a major NC competitor of UConn
2) A loss would hasten HW's demise

And those are necessary, not sufficient, conditions.
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Why would a UConn fan want Warlick to leave UTenn? She's doing just fine there.
 
Bama fan said:
I know full well that Northern Ireland is not the Irish Republic, and if you read what I wrote you would not be confused as to that. I know that William III was forced by political circumstance to oppose James and that his bigger fear was the French and Spanish. But battles in 1690 and 1691 ,at the Boyne ,and at Aughrim resulted in the Williamite protestant victory over the Catholic forces. So after they conquered the Irish, and took their land, and and suppressed their faith, the Irish were forced into a tenuous truce of sorts. Just because he wasn't the most intolerant of the English kings , he was still despised by many there. But the point of this whole mess was that the Orange associated with William of Orange was a source of derision and anger for over 300 years among certain Irish. The Jacobites were not the best of the bunch, but the "to hell or Cannacht ' English were hardly considerate of the Irish people. He may have tried to curb their "worst" tendencies, but their "regular" tendencies led directly to the genocide of the Irish in the starvation during the 1840s and 1850s. Up the Republic and Go Huskies! :D
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Certain Irish, I can well imagine...but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't still be gracing the Irish Flag if William III, and the Dutch Orange, which it represents, was the focus of their ire.

For the record, 93% of my DNA is Celtic from the Northwest of Ireland (Donegal) and the Southwest (Cork).

Donegal
The Society of United Irishmen formed in 1791 to combat British control of the Irish Parliament. A “fellowship of freedom,” attracting Catholics and Protestants alike, it eventually totaled about 5 percent of the population. The group led uprisings beginning in May 1798, often armed with little more than pikes and pitchforks and fought until September when they were overwhelmed by loyalist troops. 30,000 Irish died and much of the land was in ruins. Harsh government reprisals afterwards stoked fear and paranoia—public assemblies were banned and the press censored. More than half a million would flee the Emerald Isle over the next four decades. Most settled in Western PA, including my own forebears.

This, of course, occurred not under the Jacobites or Dutch Billy, but under the Hanoverian George's brought in to keep the Jacobites out, and who were a nasty throwback to the kind of rigid authoritarianism that led to the American and French Revolutions the Irish were emulating in 1798.

Cork
The remote regions of Munster, Ireland’s southwestern province—including the western peninsulas of Cork and Kerry and the boggy highlands of Limerick—were the ideal refuge for Irish outlaws who rebelled against their British rulers, which they did frequently. Cork soon came to be known as “the rebel city.” Protected by impassable peat bogs and mountains, these outlaws and their descendants practiced Catholicism freely and preserved a distinct culture of Gaelic language, literature, song, and dance. Dairying was especially prevalent in Munster, and families typically had many children to help with the unending labor such a lifestyle demanded.

My relatives here hung on through most of the Victorian Era, and the starvation of 25% of the population in the famine of 1845-52, when over a million Irish fled the island.
 
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