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Tennessee 2025, part 2

Iluvacc2 said:
To me, she’s a prime example of the portal needing restrictions. One time is fine, but anything after should be a required one year sit out.
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It sure what good would have been accomplished by making her stay with Cori Close.
 
GamecockFam said:
What is with the Ole Miss shade? They've accomplished more than Vanderbilt this decade and are pretty much on par or better with what Kentucky has accomplished with exception to the lone SEC tournament championship. They had a good run of finishing around #4 in the SEC and are always sweet 16 threats since Coach Yo took over. Have we forgotten the Stanford upset in the NCAA tournament?

In reality only South Carolina (multiple national champs and SEC reg season/tournament champs), Texas (SEC regular season co. champ, final four, etc.) LSU (national champ) and Kentucky (SEC tournament champ) have done anything significant in the SEC this decade. If you want to add in Big 12 accomplishments then add Oklahoma too. You cannot call Ole Miss a pretender but not include Kentucky and Vanderbilt in that category.
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Ole Miss hasn't been a serious threat to win the league or advance very far.

Kentucky has been there and is more likely with Brooks to be again I think.

Vandy I don't know. That's maybe fair though this Vandy team has a chance to finish better than any ole miss group.

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If SCar were hiring this offseason, I think Lawson and Ralph would be my top
two. I'd have Karl Smesko on the list but that would be a wild swing as far as culture fit.

Wonder if Candace Parker has any interest in coaching? I'm sure she's talks about it. Good communicator and obviously a lot of gravitas.
 
I am rooting for Coach Caldwell at Tennessee. She is among a group of coaches that are in the "It" crowd for growing the game. Molly Miller, Kara Lawson, Megan Duffy, and Krista Gerlich. For Coach Caldwell, Year 2, definitely not what many of us were expecting. We shall see what they do these last 2-3 games and into the SEC tournament.
 
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EricSD said:
Good grief. Please read what I posted. Hyperbole much? Come on man.
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maybe in your post replace “Duke” with another famous private school and replace “Tennessee” with a famous public school, and let me know if it’s still illogical
 
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Gamecockfan77 said:
If SCar were hiring this offseason, I think Lawson and Ralph would be my top
two. I'd have Karl Smesko on the list but that would be a wild swing as far as culture fit.

Wonder if Candace Parker has any interest in coaching? I'm sure she's talks about it. Good communicator and obviously a lot of gravit
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Mark Campbell and Dawn Plitzuweit would be my choices .

But, at this point, who wants to follow Dawn / even at her pay grade? Successor coaches don’t have a great history of success.
 
USMC(ret) said:
The obvious solution is for Tennessee to money-whip Kara Lawson into returning to her alma mater. That begs the question: would she leave Duke, a program she built, a great brand, to come “ home” and fix the dumpster fire that the Volunteers currently are?
My guess? No. She has Duke on a great trajectory, and the path to the top of the conference in the SEC is much steeper than the ACC. Any coach at Tennessee will forever be in Pat’s shadow. Kara doesn’t have that problem at Duke.
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With all due respect, have you ever seen anyone trade in a 911 Carrera for a Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme? Unless Coach loves hiking, hunting, and fishing.. why would she leave the Research Triangle for East Tennessee? No disrespect intended for either East Tennessee or Oldsmobiles.

*This thread took a odd turn since I last ventured in here
 
TN (8-6) has LSU on Thursday and finishes off the season with Vandy on Sunday afternoon. It will be interesting to see where they land in the conference standings, as right now they are #7, with AL and KY nipping at their heels.

AL has Vandy and TX, a tough road, and KY plays AU an SC, perhaps a split

GA is now 7-7 after beating Auburn last night, and plays TX and FL to finish out, another possible split.

The other wrinkle is Ole Miss also at 8-6, with FL and TAMU remaining. If they right the ship, they will be clear of TN.
 
BRS24 said:
TN (8-6) has LSU on Thursday and finishes off the season with Vandy on Sunday afternoon. It will be interesting to see where they land in the conference standings, as right now they are #7, with AL and KY nipping at their heels.

AL has Vandy and TX, a tough road, and KY plays AU an SC, perhaps a split

GA is now 7-7 after beating Auburn last night, and plays TX and FL to finish out, another possible split.

The other wrinkle is Ole Miss also at 8-6, with FL and TAMU remaining. If they right the ship, they will be clear of TN.
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Tennessee holds tie-breakers over Alabama, Georgia, and Kentucky, so those teams are all likely to finish behind Tennessee even if Tennessee loses out. Despite their current woes, Tennessee placed themselves in a great position in terms of league standings.
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
Ole Miss hasn't been a serious threat to win the league or advance very far.
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Ole Miss played in the SEC Tournament semifinals three years ago, though.

Gamecockfan77 said:
Kentucky has been there and is more likely with Brooks to be again I think.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

No, they aren't. They're not deep enough and Kenny Brooks' coaching at the end of games leaves much to be desired.
 
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visitingcock said:
Mark Campbell and Dawn Plitzuweit would be my choices .

But, at this point, who wants to follow Dawn / even at her pay grade? Successor coaches don’t have a great history of success.
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Campbell is interesting. I don't think he's much of an X's and O's coach, but he can recruit like it's nobody's business.

My choices would be (not in order)

Kim Barnes-Arico
Cori Close
Becky Hammon

I also like what Jan Jensen has done with Iowa, and she's known as a developer of bigs.

Younger coaches?

Megan Duffy
Lindsey Harding
Yolett McPhee-McCuin
Carrie Moore

And if I REALLY wanted to ruffle a few feathers:

Seimone Augustus
 
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WBBTakeover said:
Tennessee holds tie-breakers over Alabama, Georgia, and Kentucky, so those teams are all likely to finish behind Tennessee even if Tennessee loses out. Despite their current woes, Tennessee placed themselves in a great position in terms of league standings.
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Appreciate this, as I haven't had any coffee yet, and not ready to dig into tiebreakers ... yet.
 
triaddukefan said:
*This thread took a odd turn since I last ventured in here
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Ok... In the spirit of odd turns and this is not about Tennessee directly why is Mississippi State firmly in the tournament?

As an ASU fan seeing that we're the first team out I'm desperately trying to construct a scenario where Molly Miller gets to dance.

Assume both teams split their last two games Mississippi State loses its first game in the conference tournament and ASU wins one game in the conference tournament.

I don't think Mississippi State beats LSU in the finale and I don't think ASU beats Texas Tech and their finale.

Mississippi State loses 10 games in conference and ASU Wednesday 10 games and conference.

Does Mississippi State go over the Devils?
 
JellyBean said:
I am rooting for Coach Caldwell at Tennessee.
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Non-traditional styles are fun. I hope she has a good Year 3.

I am concerned that Caldwell took an approach with her team that I, an observer with no college coaching experience, suspected was an ill fit with that roster and it appears to have been an ill fit with that roster. There are players who will buckle down and redouble their effort when a HC questions it publicly. Appears this Tennessee team, especially the vets, is mainly the other common response that sulks or tunes out the coach.
 
Vowelguy said:
GG went to Texas yea for money but in part because she had a bad relationship with the new Duke AD. I think she would’ve been forced out had she not left. He wanted someone to take them to a NC. @CamrnCrz1974 can give the fuller stiry
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When Gail Goestenkors was being courted by Texas and offering more money, then-AD Joe Alleva said this about her:

Compared to the top tier of coaches in the women's game, however, Goestenkors' salary does not stack up. Tennessee's Pat Summitt is the highest-paid coach in women's college basketball at an average of $1.125 million guaranteed over six seasons, and Geno Auriemma's contract with Connecticut guarantees him $988,000 per year.
[Coach G made less than $500,000 at the time]

"They've both won a lot of national championships and are part of programs that make money for their institutions. They bring in profit for their athletic departments, and that's not the case for our women's program," Alleva said. "I'm sure some of these other institutions will offer significantly large packages to encourage her to go.

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Duke finished as the national runner-up in 2006 and concluded its undefeated regular season in 2007. Duke was coming off of 4 Final Fours in 10 seasons, reaching at least the Elite Eight in 7 of those seasons.

The remarks were shocking, given Goestenkors was being openly courted by Texas because of her accomplishments -- only for the AD to completely dismiss them.

After she left for Texas, Joe Alleva hired Joanne P. McCallie and made proclamations about McCallie not just equaling, but surpassing the success and accomplishments of Goestenkors and having McCallie do what she (Goestenkors) did not do — win the national title. McCallie never came close; in fact McCallie reached the Elite Eight four times in 13 years and missed the NCAA Tournament twice. And her record against top-five and top-ten opponents was horrifyingly bad considering the talent she was able to recruit. Oh, and there was an investigation into her treatment of players ...

Incidentally, Joe Alleva was "encouraged" to leave after presiding over several PR disasters (Duke lax, his Coach G comments, a boating accident where his son was charged with operating a boat while impaired, etc.) -- which he did in 2008 for LSU.

McCallie wanted no part of comparison to Goestenkors or her legacy.

By contrast, Kara Lawson has been extremely welcoming of Goestenkors (former staff members and players), bringing her back for film/video sessions (she was the first guest Kara brought in) and player reunions (Goestenkors, Abby Waner, Monique Currie, and Alison Bales all returned this month for get-togethers).
 
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visitingcock said:
Mark Campbell and Dawn Plitzuweit would be my choices .

But, at this point, who wants to follow Dawn / even at her pay grade? Successor coaches don’t have a great history of success.
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Not sure we really have a blue blood program in WBB.

Mainly just have coaching legacies at this point.

There isn't really yet a program that has two hall of fame tenures. I'm not thinking of it anyway.
 
DefenseBB said:
My point is you limit your pool of candidates when you only consider legacy applicants or only Females. VolNation wants a "big name" coach but I am at a loss to whom they actually think they could get. It is not going to be Staley, Mulkey or Lawson.

I guess Walz would still be a possibility but is he the answer? They have touted Brenda Frese as well, which I am not sure she would leave her situation.

If I were to wear a "gawdy orange t-shirt" I guess I would put Scott Rueck of Oregon State, Jan Jensen from Iowa, Teri Moren from Indiana or the current recruiting Queen-Lindsay Gottlieb on the potential candidate list. For that matter, add Cori Close to check her interest.
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Gottlieb and Close would have to be delulu to consider that. They've built top programs with resources and big AD support. Neither has ties to the south. Rueck would be the most interesting one to me, but his style of basketball is a real mismatch for the recurits TN has gotten since Pat, so it'd take a resetting of expectations about the kind of basketball fans would see on the Court. Indeed, he's about as much of a 180 from Caldwell as it gets
 
DefenseBB said:
My point is you limit your pool of candidates when you only consider legacy applicants or only Females. VolNation wants a "big name" coach but I am at a loss to whom they actually think they could get.
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The men’s teams have limited themselves to male only coaches for …. Ever.

Yes there’s a deeper pool there but single sex hiring is not unprecedented
 
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TheFarmFan said:
Gottlieb and Close would have to be delulu to consider that. They've built top programs with resources and big AD support. Neither has ties to the south. Rueck would be the most interesting one to me, but his style of basketball is a real mismatch for the recurits TN has gotten since Pat, so it'd take a resetting of expectations about the kind of basketball fans would see on the Court. Indeed, he's about as much of a 180 from Caldwell as it gets
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VN has never held back on their disdain for Close and Gottlieb. But, desperate times ...
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
If SCar were hiring this offseason, I think Lawson and Ralph would be my top
two. I'd have Karl Smesko on the list but that would be a wild swing as far as culture fit.

Wonder if Candace Parker has any interest in coaching? I'm sure she's talks about it. Good communicator and obviously a lot of gravitas.
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Stay your greedy claws outta Durham. (I assume chickens have claws)
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
Not sure we really have a blue blood program in WBB.

Mainly just have coaching legacies at this point.

There isn't really yet a program that has two hall of fame tenures. I'm not thinking of it anyway.
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LaTech is the only school with championships under two coaches.
 
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