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Tennessee (13) @ Georgia - 1/13/19

Who will win this game?

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trb123 said:
When we play them next season, our team will not be as strong as they are now. I don't like it. Why could we not play them when we could beat them by 60 pts?
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I used to worry about that too but consider this...

We will start Dangerfield, Williams, Walker, ONO, and probably Griffin (but maybe one of the other reserves will step up). No matter how much talent Tennessee has, they are terrible in the half court, run almost no offense, and rely on O-boards, or 1 on 1 play mostly. There's also always the chance UCONN gets a foreign kid, JUCO or graduate transfer, or something to help next season too. Don't despair!!
 
EricLA said:
It's a treat going over there. They are mystified how the AD and administration CAN'T fire her. Funny thing is, Holly isn't going anywhere. She's recruiting better than ever and Holly has been to the elite 8 three times, Sweet 16 once, and bowed out in the round of 32 twice. For 99% of the programs out there, that would be tremendous. I get it's not for Tennessee fans, but they are solid results.

BTW Pat's last 4 seasons - lost in 1st round, 2 elite 8's, 1 sweet 16. Really no better than Holly.
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Holly's Last Three Full Seasons 67-34
SEC RECORD 29-19
2 Second Round loses in last two seasons
Before the last three season LV lost 20 SEC GAMES from 2005-2015
 
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MSUFan2003 said:
Does Tennessee even deserved to be ranked at this point? If they didn't have the name on the jersey, would they be ranked?
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How far will they fall after 3 straight losses? It better be fairly steep. Other than a win at Texas (who also isn't living up to expectations) there really is not much on their resume.
 
nwhoopfan said:
How far will they fall after 3 straight losses? It better be fairly steep. Other than a win at Texas (who also isn't living up to expectations) there really is not much on their resume.
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Well, they only fell 3 spots after the loss to Missouri. So at that rate, #19?
 
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EricLA said:
It's a treat going over there. They are mystified how the AD and administration CAN'T fire her. Funny thing is, Holly isn't going anywhere. She's recruiting better than ever and Holly has been to the elite 8 three times, Sweet 16 once, and bowed out in the round of 32 twice. For 99% of the programs out there, that would be tremendous. I get it's not for Tennessee fans, but they are solid results.

BTW Pat's last 4 seasons - lost in 1st round, 2 elite 8's, 1 sweet 16. Really no better than Holly.
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Pat had two years of 34-3 and 32-3 with #1 seeds during that stretch while facing one of the toughest schedules in the country. Much different quality of season compared to Holly's Elite 8 in 2016 (22-14, 7 seed) or her results the past several years where shes scheduled cupcakes in nonconference, the team doesnt compete for the SEC title and bows out early. 2012 I'd also consider a Holly season more than Pat considering Holly was the one leading the team and taking on more responsibility. Very different results from Pat unless you cherry pick results.
 
Honestly I hope this team tanks the rest of the year. That's the only way we have a chance to get Holly out. If we pull out these close games her record looks better and shes more likely to continue coaching. Tennessee doesnt have a shot at the Final Four as long as she is coaching....I would much rather sacrifice one season so we can get someone who actually knows how to coach.

The big issue is her teams always look dreadful on both ends of the court and players regress under her guidance. Players stand around and aren't held accountable for taking plays off or being lazy. Her teams are not enjoyable to watch and every year she takes a group of talented players and drives the season into the ground.

Literally any coach will be able to land good players at Tennessee....the school sells itself for women's basketball. Get someone who can coach and the results and recruits will follow.
 
I always enjoy her insights into the LV's trials and tribulations. I thought she may surface with some info after they blew a 17 point lead today to Georgia
and losing their 3rd straight game.


The fans are on Holly again.
 
bballnut90 said:
Honestly I hope this team tanks the rest of the year. That's the only way we have a chance to get Holly out. If we pull out these close games her record looks better and shes more likely to continue coaching. Tennessee doesnt have a shot at the Final Four as long as she is coaching....I would much rather sacrifice one season so we can get someone who actually knows how to coach.

The big issue is her teams always look dreadful on both ends of the court and players regress under her guidance. Players stand around and aren't held accountable for taking plays off or being lazy. Her teams are not enjoyable to watch and every year she takes a group of talented players and drives the season into the ground.

Literally any coach will be able to land good players at Tennessee....the school sells itself for women's basketball. Get someone who can coach and the results and recruits will follow.
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I appreciate your candor and recognize that many LV fans feel as you do. In a strange way, the real dilemma for Phil Fulmer and UT athletics is Pat’s legacy. Clearly Pat is revered in Knoxville, and her last major act as HC of the LV’s was to see to it that HW, her top Assistant and friend assumed the HC job. Any decision to remove HW is, in a way, a rejection of Pat’s last wishes.
 
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oldude said:
Any decision to remove HW is, in a way, a rejection of Pat’s last wishes.
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I think coaches shouldn't necessarily be trusted to hand pick their replacement. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. But that decision really should be made by an AD or some other administrator at the school.

Anyway following a coaching legend is nearly an impossible task. Sometimes it takes a couple hires to get it right. Sometimes it seems like you never can find a worthy successor (UCLA men and Oregon St. men are a couple that come to mind; John Wooden and Ralph Miller aren't walking thru that door, but neither can seem to find the right guy).
 
mrmojack said:
I always enjoy her insights into the LV's trials and tribulations. I thought she may surface with some info after they blew a 17 point lead today to Georgia
and losing their 3rd straight game.


The fans are on Holly again.
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Where ever she is, I hope it is far away from sharp objects.
 
I recorded this game, but stop watching after the 1st half. Such poor basketball (by both teams).
 
Assistants do not always make good coaches. They have different skill requirements. The same applies to players in respect to coaching. While Pat was with out a doubt a really good coach, she was from a different era. The level of coaching in WCBB has really improved. I believe even Pat would have a hard time keeping pace.

Although that is a good foun You could learn an effective system by being part of a successful, which is what assistants and former players used to rely on when they became coaches. Tp be successful today it takes more than just knowing how to run a system with talented players. I believe that Pat might have appointed Holly because she knew that Holly would keep running the system she believed in. Holly does not have the personality to run a system geared to Pats. Besides even Pat running her system would not be that successful any more the way the game is played today. The game has changed and the level of womens coaching has improved to the degree that to keep pace would have required her to adapt as well. . Yet I doubt that change was ever her strong suit.
 
HuskyMJ said:
I don't like this logic. We don't know how well those schools recruited her. Maybe they should have done a better job? She's just a kid trying to make the best decision for her. And for all we know Tennessee still is where she feels most comfortable on and off the court.
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Evina was recruited heavily in the state of Oregon. Jamie Nared, Mercedes Russell, and Evina apparently saw something in University of Tennessee.
 
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LoTrader said:
Evina was recruited heavily in the state of Oregon. Jamie Nared, Mercedes Russell, and Evina apparently saw something in University of Tennessee.
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Clearly the water in the state of Oregon needs to be tested for brain-affecting toxins.
 
Did the Lady Vols set a FG to PF ratio record?

23/20

If that stat troubles the mind, try Fouls to Field goals at ~87%.
 
LoTrader said:
Funny you should say that...this past summer, Salem, OR, the city where Evina Westbrook grew up, had a public water issue for a month because of toxins in the water from algae.
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See?! It all makes sense now!
 
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LoTrader said:
OK, I still have it, I'll watch the 3rd quarter.
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It was pretty fun. They had Teresa Edwards (former Georgia great) guest commentating. The denizens of VolNation didn't really appreciated the one-sided commentary that resulted.
 
LoTrader said:
OK, I still have it, I'll watch the 3rd quarter.
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How could you not enjoy watching the Lady Vols play so poorly? Now I have trouble watching UConn when they play like they did early in the game today.
 
oldude said:
I appreciate your candor and recognize that many LV fans feel as you do. In a strange way, the real dilemma for Phil Fulmer and UT athletics is Pat’s legacy. Clearly Pat is revered in Knoxville, and her last major act as HC of the LV’s was to see to it that HW, her top Assistant and friend assumed the HC job. Any decision to remove HW is, in a way, a rejection of Pat’s last wishes.
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I'll respectfully say that I don't think anyone sees it that way. Pat gave Holly a great opportunity to take over as Tennessee's head coach, and Holly has had 7 (really 8 if you count 2012) years to prove her ability to lead this program. During this time, she's proven to be incapable of fulfilling this role at an acceptable level. Pat wouldn't want the powerhouse she built from scratch to be completely destroyed and forgotten about. Pat was a fierce competitor and the last thing she'd want is for her friendship with Holly to be the reason why Tennessee disappears into oblivion. Tennessee's status as a top competitor in women's basketball is gone, attendance is steadily declining and the program's overall relevance is quickly disappearing. It's time to move on and let someone else have a shot at putting this program back on the map.
 
Plebe said:
It was pretty fun. They had Teresa Edwards (former Georgia great) guest commentating. The denizens of VolNation didn't really appreciated the one-sided commentary that resulted.
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I thought she was great--seemed like a humble easy going person. Enjoyed her commentary. She was clearly rooting for Georgia but she was a former star there that they talked with for 10-15 minutes so she shouldn't be held accountable to be neutral like a Doris Burke or Rebecca Lobo should be. I also don't think she made any biased statements other than that she was rooting for UGA.
 
MSUFan2003 said:
Does Tennessee even deserved to be ranked at this point? If they didn't have the name on the jersey, would they be ranked?
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I don't think so, or if we do it's between 22-25. The only good win is over Texas, and they've lost to 2 unranked teams.

It's funny how scheduling a weak non-conference usually comes back to bite teams in the butt. You look at a team like South Carolina who struggled through a very good non-conference schedule and looked dead in the water, now they're likely going to challenge for the conference title. Compare that Tennessee who scheduled cupcakes and rose up to a top 10 ranking, but now it's clear they are not prepared to compete in SEC play. Exact same thing happened last year for the LVs.
 
bballnut90 said:
I don't think so, or if we do it's between 22-25. The only good win is over Texas, and they've lost to 2 unranked teams.

It's funny how scheduling a weak non-conference usually comes back to bite teams in the butt. You look at a team like South Carolina who struggled through a very good non-conference schedule and looked dead in the water, now they're likely going to challenge for the conference title. Compare that Tennessee who scheduled cupcakes and rose up to a top 10 ranking, but now it's clear they are not prepared to compete in SEC play. Exact same thing happened last year for the LVs.
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Tennessee will not drop out of the rankings, partly because several teams below them also lost to unranked teams (#22 Florida State to Clemson, #25 Indiana to Ohio State, and #24 Cal to Arizona).
 
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