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vowelguy said:
Tenn gets pounded
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bags27 said:
Has it be mentioned that we almost witnessed an historic quadruple double? DD had 17 points, 9 rebounds, 8 assists, and (whoops!) 9 turnovers

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The most amazing stat on that stat line is the 8 assists. Color me impressed.:rolleyes:
 
Consider the incredible inconsistency of execution and effort demonstrated by teams like Tenn, OSU and others over the past few seasons, and then remind yourself of Geno's remarks to the Huskies at the beginning of the season, as seen on the All-Access special:

"Great players don't get tired.....We're not here to coach your energy level and your effort. That's a given. You wouldn't be here if I had to coach that. That's what other coaches have to do. They have to coach energy. We don't."

Whether it's the type of players that Tenn recruits or the inability of the coaching staff to get them to play hard all the time, the Lady Vols clearly struggle with their energy & effort, something that never was an issue when Pat Summit was the coach.
 
I think that HW has never made the transition from assistant with responsibility for recruiting to head coach with responsibility for conditioning and game-time coaching.

Truly awful coaching performance this season and last. But seems as though Tennessee is stuck with her, because of her recruiting. They won't dare get rid of her, even knowing that she won't take this team far, because getting rid of the coach risks losing all those recruits as well.

Zombie team. Keeps waking up from the dead.
 
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And 9 turnovers for DD. If I'm a WNBA GM, no way will I take a chance on such a volatile and inconsistent performer as DeShields. I let someone else take her and let that team deal with the headaches she'll cause. She will screw up the chemistry of whichever team she joins.

Not worth it.
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
I couldn't understand why BYers in the ND to Bridgeport thread were afraid of TN in UCONN's bracket? Why would anyone be worried about TN? I wouldn't be surprised if those 4 recruits withdraw their choice of the Vols before the end of the season!
If UCONN were to play TN in the NCAA's they'd win by 50, maybe more! They'd backdoor and drive on them like the 2000 Finals in Philadelphia!
The greatest moment of my life would be if Holly got a lifetime contract as TN HC (shows you how exciting MY life is)!
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For me, at least, there was no fear of TN in the bracket. I thought that was a great placement. It was the overall quality of the other teams that, compared to other brackets, made that one look like UConn was being punished.
 
Lots of varied opinions in an attempt to understand why Tenn has become what it has become. May as well add my $.02.

Since the LVs deemed it important to play well on national TV against ND, and not so well against a smaller stage opponent, is that a clue that Diamond and Mercedes might be jumping to the WNBA?

I found it interesting that Margo mentioned the refs as a problem for TN in the Auburn game, but no mention of the home cooking going on in Knoxville in the Notre Dame game. Certainly the ND loss was critically affected by the refs in the 4th quarter, not to mention the scorekeeper sounding the horn early at the end of the game when ND was trying to pull out the win in the last 5 seconds.

The Holly dilemma is a bad coach balanced by her ability to recruit highly ranked players. In my view, not only is she a bad coach, but a bad recruiter too. I say this because recruiting is a 2 way street. The coach has to attract players, but the players have also to woo the coach. In general, players interested in TN are doing so for reasons other than wanting to work hard, be challenged, or team play. Yes they have talent and want Championships, but their desire is on their own terms. Thus, Tennessee rarely gets the true great players, players who know they are not perfect and need good coaching to reach their potential.

Finally, how long is Tennessee going to continue hanging on to Pat Summitt's coat tails? Her legacy seems to have morphed into a vehicle for fund raising. It's no longer about basketball. I can't help but think the players are being taken advantage of with the added burden of having to win for Pat and Tyler Summitt's Foundation to keep the funds rolling in .
 
Bestiarius said:
In my view, not only is she a bad coach, but a bad recruiter too. I say this because recruiting is a 2 way street.
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I am not sure how a coach who just attracted the #1 recruiting class in the counting can be called a bad recruiter. I see you attempted to explain; maybe I just didn't follow your point.
 
Phil said:
I am not sure how a coach who just attracted the #1 recruiting class in the counting can be called a bad recruiter. I see you attempted to explain; maybe I just didn't follow your point.
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I agree that Holly has been OK on the recruiting trail. It is my opinion though that kids are coming to Tennessee for the scholarship and the exposure, not to play for the revered HC Holly Warlick. TN represents a good place where the fan base is good, they have banners hanging in rafters ... so that means they have had success in the past....

But also recruits know that they will not be pushed or challenged at all to get out of them their best abilities.... In some cases, they think they are beyond reproach. Remember last year when Diamond was on the bench, and her father tweeted for the world to see, openly asking why would the HC have her best player and best chance for winning on the bench?

It seems that TN is a program going through the motions now.... after the games, the same things said in the pressers.... without a whole lot of emotion.... like "This is game #15. It seems as though the other team wanted it more than we did. We quick shot the ball, and we had too many turnovers,. I don't know what is wrong. If I did then i would fix it. We can learn from this loss tonight. We practice so hard. I don't know why we didn't bring it tonight."

To look at all the standing around on offense and defense..... or the lack of fundamentals such as getting a shot off within the shot clock or breaking a press (especially against an inferior team).... it makes you feel a bit sad for the precipitous fall TN program has taken.
 
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eebmg said:
The most amazing stat on that stat line is the 8 assists. Color me impressed.:rolleyes:
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That's because Tennessee was actually hitting its shots for a change.
 
Fairfield Fan said:
And 9 turnovers for DD. If I'm a WNBA GM, no way will I take a chance on such a volatile and inconsistent performer as DeShields. I let someone else take her and let that team deal with the headaches she'll cause. She will screw up the chemistry of whichever team she joins.

Not worth it.
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I whole heartedly agree with your logical assessment however all GMs think "well, I think we can CHANGE this through OUR coaching". This happens all the time in all sports when GMs see underachieving Talent.
 
Sonny44 said:
This is a gross oversimplification at best. Sure, you can recruit for these, but any coach who cannot affect/improve/teach these characteristics in young players needs to look for a different job.
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And I see your analysis as being mastery of the obvious. Of course anything can be improved or enhanced. However if those qualities aren't innate no coach can transplant them. To steal an old phrase, you cannot make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
 
HuskyNan said:
UConn also played a Texas on Dec 4 in CT, ND on the road on the 7th, and then KState on the road on the 11th, all with a short bench. And Saniya was out for the KState game.
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Love your avatar. Again.
 
Phil said:
I am not sure how a coach who just attracted the #1 recruiting class in the counting can be called a bad recruiter. I see you attempted to explain; maybe I just didn't follow your point.
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I'm not saying this is what the OP meant, but just because she recruited the #1 recruiting class doesn't mean she's a great recruiter. Coaches should be recruiting not the best players, but the best players that fit their program, the needs of the program. Did she do that? I can't answer that. Don't really know what and if Tenn got the players they needed. I do know, they definitely don't have the players they need playing for them right now.
 
oldude said:
Consider the incredible inconsistency of execution and effort demonstrated by teams like Tenn, OSU and others over the past few seasons, and then remind yourself of Geno's remarks to the Huskies at the beginning of the season, as seen on the All-Access special:

"Great players don't get tired.....We're not here to coach your energy level and your effort. That's a given. You wouldn't be here if I had to coach that. That's what other coaches have to do. They have to coach energy. We don't."

Whether it's the type of players that Tenn recruits or the inability of the coaching staff to get them to play hard all the time, the Lady Vols clearly struggle with their energy & effort, something that never was an issue when Pat Summit was the coach.
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Here is a telling statistic: Tennessee has played five SEC games. If you subtract the scoring of DeShields, Russell, Nared, plus Nunn (who plays with effort, but is only able to play about ten minutes per game), the rest of the team has scored a TOTAL of only 50 points in these five games. In her post game comments yesterday Russell excoriated some of her teammates for sloppy play and lack of effort. I was glad to see her speak up.
 
Phil said:
I am not sure how a coach who just attracted the #1 recruiting class in the counting can be called a bad recruiter. I see you attempted to explain; maybe I just didn't follow your point.
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Here's one explanation...
Let's rank her #1 class next year at 100%
This year she recruited no one, nada...Let's call that zero.

Average the two together and you get the failing grade of 50%.
 
Geew1992 said:
I'm not saying this is what the OP meant, but just because she recruited the #1 recruiting class doesn't mean she's a great recruiter.
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I didn't assert that she was a great recruiter. I'm questioning the claim that she is a "bad recruiter". Based upon what evidence?
 
oldude said:
Consider the incredible inconsistency of execution and effort demonstrated by teams like Tenn, OSU and others over the past few seasons, and then remind yourself of Geno's remarks to the Huskies at the beginning of the season, as seen on the All-Access special:

"Great players don't get tired.....We're not here to coach your energy level and your effort. That's a given. You wouldn't be here if I had to coach that. That's what other coaches have to do. They have to coach energy. We don't."

Whether it's the type of players that Tenn recruits or the inability of the coaching staff to get them to play hard all the time, the Lady Vols clearly struggle with their energy & effort, something that never was an issue when Pat Summit was the coach.
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This is one of the reasons (there are others) UConn is successful year in and year out. It's the system, and the players Geno recruits to play in it. The players he gets are not always marquee players (sometimes they are), but they are players that are self motivated, who want to get better each year, who will sacrifice their game for the godd of the team, to become the best player they can be. Players that will seamlessly fit into his system, and totally buy in to what he wants and expects them to do. When Geno and staff do home visits with potential recruits, they don't have to sell UConn to the family. Based on UConn's legacy, their recent history of winning national championships, and graduates going forward and being successful in the spotrs and business world, UConn sells itself.

Players choose programs for different reasons. It's been said and acknowledged many times here in the yard that UConn is not for everyone. But the ones that do come here know what lies ahead, and what they can expect to achieve during their tenure in the program. Every player that has gone through Geno and CD's program is a living breathing testimonial of how great and unique this program is, not to mention the graduation rate for players that come to Storrs and stay for 4 years is 100%. That's not the case at every program.

Many of their former players come back to attend home games and other basketball related functions on a regular basis. It's because of their love for the game, and their appreciation and respect for Geno and CD. They're "Huskies for life". Each one of them can/will give you chapter and verse on what this program has meant to them. Every coach cannot bring the best out in a player. Those coaches than can are rare, and we know who they are.
 
msf22b said:
Here's one explanation...
Let's rank her #1 class next year at 100%
This year she recruited no one, nada...Let's call that zero.

Average the two together and you get the failing grade of 50%.
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Actually you are wrong, she recruited quite a bit, she just lost out on the girls signing elsewhere. This happens all the time to programs if they target a specific position or need and then that player chooses another school. It happened to Muffet this year when she was trying for Walker and some bigs. I will be on record to say yes, she can recruit! She now needs to recruit two new top notch offensive and game tactic assistants.
 
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HuskyNan said:
Awesome movie, one of my favorites
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Sorry to get into OT territory, but do you watch Empire? My uncertainty about seeing this movie is that I see Taraji P and I think Cookie Lyon. Hard to then accept her as a NASA scholar with bows in her hair. It'd be kinda like having Joan Collins play Eleanor Roosevelt.
 
vowelguy said:
Sorry to get into OT territory, but do you watch Empire? My uncertainty about seeing this movie is that I see Taraji P and I think Cookie Lyon. Hard to then accept her as a NASA scholar with bows in her hair. It'd be kinda like having Joan Collins play Eleanor Roosevelt.
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No I havent seen Empire. She must be an actress with great range.
 
vowelguy said:
Sorry to get into OT territory, but do you watch Empire? My uncertainty about seeing this movie is that I see Taraji P and I think Cookie Lyon. Hard to then accept her as a NASA scholar with bows in her hair. It'd be kinda like having Joan Collins play Eleanor Roosevelt.
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Very good movie. Unbelievable that it took 60 years for this amazing story to come out. I love Empire...you will not see Cookie Lyon.
 
Volup1 said:
Here is a telling statistic: Tennessee has played five SEC games. If you subtract the scoring of DeShields, Russell, Nared, plus Nunn (who plays with effort, but is only able to play about ten minutes per game), the rest of the team has scored a TOTAL of only 50 points in these five games. In her post game comments yesterday Russell excoriated some of her teammates for sloppy play and lack of effort. I was glad to see her speak up.
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I have to laugh a bit, because in the past few games, which i reviewed yesterday, Mercedes played uninspired ball, to the point where she was just standing around.... she absolutely does not have the right to call out anyone.... just my opinion...... #1 recruit in the entire country ....6 foot 6..... and she is not exactly a force on the inside with either talent or hustle....

Again JMO
 
Volup1 said:
Here is a telling statistic: Tennessee has played five SEC games. If you subtract the scoring of DeShields, Russell, Nared, plus Nunn (who plays with effort, but is only able to play about ten minutes per game), the rest of the team has scored a TOTAL of only 50 points in these five games. In her post game comments yesterday Russell excoriated some of her teammates for sloppy play and lack of effort. I was glad to see her speak up.
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Did she call out the players specifically? Who does she (or fans) think is not putting in the effort?
 
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