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Tarris “Big Hoss” Reed is Returning

I think Tarris is gonna kick butt next year. He's been with Hurley for a year and has figured out his tough love is only in his best interest. Got the skills- Just gotta make friends with BE refs and stay in the game. LOL
 
I expect Tarris to be great. That said tough refereeing can change that from time to time and he has has down performances. That’s why he needs good backup.
 
mauconnfan said:
I hope that we see less extension of his defense off the hedge next year because that piece alone was a major % of his foul trouble. Whether it was the bump of the driver out too far off the hedge or getting back too late and fouling it needs to be just a step out and stay home. We need less foul trouble and more minutes for this guy period!! So good to have Kodiak back.
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sure, but to do that, we need a slightly stronger perimeter defense.
 
Tarris is the key to the team achieving its goals. Hopefully, our defensive scheme enables him to stay on the court and not be on the bench with fouls. He also needs to be self aware and be coach up too about avoiding silly fouls. He must play differently now than when he was a rotation guy, who can pick up more fouls a minute played. Now he needs to take the long view. As for defensive scheme so often a Big’s foul is a result of not being between his man and the basket or in a non value added switch for the sake of switching where scheme was weighted more than fundamental position. A center’s goal should not be to steal the ball from a guard 25 feet from the basket. He needs to protect the rim and own the paint.
 
There were a few instances last year where I saw a few Sanogo like offensive moves from Tarris.
 
Chief00 said:
Tarris is the key to the team achieving its goals. Hopefully, our defensive scheme enables him to stay on the court and not be on the bench with fouls. He also needs to be self aware and be coach up too about avoiding silly fouls. He must play differently now than when he was a rotation guy, who can pick up more fouls a minute played. Now he needs to take the long view. As for defensive scheme so often a Big’s foul is a result of not being between his man and the basket or in a non value added switch for the sake of switching where scheme was weighted more than fundamental position. A center’s goal should not be to steal the ball from a guard 25 feet from the basket. He needs to protect the rim and own the paint.
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I am beginning to think you don’t understand or don’t want to understand the defensive philosophy of the high hedge. It is not to steal the ball 25 ft from the basket.
 
ucp990411 said:
I am beginning to think you don’t understand or don’t want to understand the defensive philosophy of the high hedge. It is not to steal the ball 25 ft from the basket.
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I think he's trying to say that is what Tarris does alot. He reaches in to try to steal the ball 25ft out. Most of time than not he gets called for a foul.
 
Husky Alien said:
I think he's trying to say that is what Tarris does alot. He reaches in to try to steal the ball 25ft out. Most of time than not he gets called for a foul.
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If it was most of the time he would never play more than 10 minutes. The high hedge is about disrupting your opponent’s offense. And we are very good at doing just that.
 
If we get even small development leaps from Reed, Ball, Stewart and Ross, then we are going to run over people.
 
ucp990411 said:
If it was most of the time he would never play more than 10 minutes. The high hedge is about disrupting your opponent’s offense. And we are very good at doing just that.
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The center position contributed an average of 5.6 fouls a game (Johnson 100, Reed 96 so 196/35 games = 5.6). Think about what a ridiculously high number that is and the win/loss consequences.

That’s not sustainable if your best player is your center and needs to play the majority of the game, which is clearly the case next season.

As for the High Hedge overall - When you have 157 less foul shot attempts (775-618 = 157) than your opponent you have to ask what triggered that? True, we were not overall an individually great team defensively but too often we were a step behind the play and caught in between - all of which led to chain reactions that had negative consequences. Too often these foul chain reactions were triggered by the high hedge.
 
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Chief00 said:
The center position contributed an average of 5.6 fouls a game (Johnson 100, Reed 96 so 196/35 games = 5.6). Think about what a ridiculously high number that is and the win/loss consequences.

That’s not sustainable if your best player is your center and needs to play the majority of the game, which is clearly the case next season.

As for the High Hedge overall - When you have 157 less foul shot attempts (775-618 = 157) than your opponent you have to ask what triggered that? True, we were not overall an individually great team defensively but too often we were a step behind the play and caught in between - all of which led to chain reactions that had negative consequences. Too often these foul chain reactions were triggered by the high hedge.
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In am not your extreme defender of the high hedge by any stretch but the foul difference had as much to do with our lack of dribble penetration on offense as it did with any thing we did on defense.
 
Chief00 said:
The center position contributed an average of 5.6 fouls a game (Johnson 100, Reed 96 so 196/35 games = 5.6). Think about what a ridiculously high number that is and the win/loss consequences.

That’s not sustainable if your best player is your center and needs to play the majority of the game, which is clearly the case next season.

As for the High Hedge overall - When you have 157 less foul shot attempts (775-618 = 157) than your opponent you have to ask what triggered that? True, we were not overall an individually great team defensively but too often we were a step behind the play and caught in between - all of which led to chain reactions that had negative consequences. Too often these foul chain reactions were triggered by the high hedge.
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BuffaloHusky said:
In am not your extreme defender of the high hedge by any stretch but the foul difference had as much to do with our lack of dribble penetration on offense as it did with any thing we did on defense.
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Right, Buff.

The number of fouls due to using the hedge were mostly due to lack of defensive understanding by the guys across the back line, not directly Johnson nor Reed. So, triggered, 00? In a way.
They have to constantly watch the hedger, look out for creepers down low and keep an eye on their own man. Freshman McNeeley had the worst of it and with so much responsibility in this action for each player, no one could cover for his mistakes, leading not only to fouls but easy buckets.

My opinion is that the high hedge is a great weapon to slow an offense down, confuse and create occasional turnovers. A guy like Johnson was made for it (long, quick, agile) and it took him years to get it right. He fouled at too high a rate in general, sure, but the number of those that occurred on the hedge (wish I had that stat) surely went down this year.
 
If you really sit down and count successful vs unsucessful high hedges, it's vastly overestimated here. It's an effective disruptor on defense. We just notice the ones where the big get out of position and is more likely to foul. I've rewatched 3 games simply counting how many times we high hedge vs foul.

The problem is execution--often by the corner helper who should be rotating and communicating. Solo was not good at that in particular.
 
husky429 said:
If you really sit down and count successful vs unsucessful high hedges, it's vastly overestimated here. It's an effective disruptor on defense. We just notice the ones where the big get out of position and is more likely to foul. I've rewatched 3 games simply counting how many times we high hedge vs foul.

The problem is execution--often by the corner helper who should be rotating and communicating. Solo was not good at that in particular.
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100% agreed on all of this. What I am desperate for them to stop is to have Tarris try to reach in and get a steal as often as he does. Maybe it worked once or twice but more often it led to a reach-in foul or just pulling him off-balance a little and making it harder to recover. I just don’t know that it really adds to the disruption, though I’m also not sure if those are by design or those are just Tarris going off script.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
100% agreed on all of this. What I am desperate for them to stop is to have Tarris try to reach in and get a steal as often as he does. Maybe it worked once or twice but more often it led to a reach-in foul or just pulling him off-balance a little and making it harder to recover. I just don’t know that it really adds to the disruption, though I’m also not sure if those are by design or those are just Tarris going off script.
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Tarris was more effective when he went up to the 3 line to try and swipe but got back safely in most cases. Johnson lingered at the 3 and had to rush back to try and block from behind.

I think if Ball improves his game, and Stewart does, we have more threats than last year:
1. Ball to shoot from anywhere or drive
2. Stewart to drive, rim rock, hit a 3
3. Mullins to sharp shoot from anywhere
4. Demary for catch and shoot
5. Reed for abusing smaller 5s.

Gravy:
6. Reibe
7. Ross
8. Smith
9. Furphy

Ice Cream:
10. Karaban stays

With our offensive motion that will leave a shooter open or Reed open with the constant threat of a slasher to the rim or kick out instead.
 
microfich said:
Right, Buff.

The number of fouls due to using the hedge were mostly due to lack of defensive understanding by the guys across the back line, not directly Johnson nor Reed. So, triggered, 00? In a way.
They have to constantly watch the hedger, look out for creepers down low and keep an eye on their own man. Freshman McNeeley had the worst of it and with so much responsibility in this action for each player, no one could cover for his mistakes, leading not only to fouls but easy buckets.

My opinion is that the high hedge is a great weapon to slow an offense down, confuse and create occasional turnovers. A guy like Johnson was made for it (long, quick, agile) and it took him years to get it right. He fouled at too high a rate in general, sure, but the number of those that occurred on the hedge (wish I had that stat) surely went down this year.
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I did not think Johnson was a success at it - Reed had 160 defensive rebounds to 73, both playing 19 minutes per game. True, Johnson played the high hedge more aggressive but as the rebounds indicate, he was out of position throughout the play. Reed had 123% more defensive rebounds than Johnson, despite posters here saying Johnson played the scheme better.
 
Chief00 said:
I did not think Johnson was a success at it - Reed had 160 defensive rebounds to 73, both playing 19 minutes per game. True, Johnson played the high hedge more aggressive but as the rebounds indicate, he was out of position throughout the play. Reed had 123% more defensive rebounds than Johnson, despite posters here saying Johnson played the scheme better.
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Tarris is a much better rebounder no matter what else was going on, as you know.
 
Chief00 said:
I did not think Johnson was a success at it - Reed had 160 defensive rebounds to 73, both playing 19 minutes per game. True, Johnson played the high hedge more aggressive but as the rebounds indicate, he was out of position throughout the play. Reed had 123% more defensive rebounds than Johnson, despite posters here saying Johnson played the scheme better.
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Johnson was a pick and roll guy ending with a slam which happened early in games, after timeouts like Hurley said to run it. Reed is a back to the basket player.
My question is this, if Reed is guarding a center with no threat to shoot 3’s what is the benefit of him going out to guard the guy when he’s setting a pick for other players?
Reed then has to fall back to the rim and would often be late getting there to get a rebound.
Of course we have seen him out beyond the 3 point line reaching in for bad fouls.
This changes if Reed’s guy can make a 3.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
100% agreed on all of this. What I am desperate for them to stop is to have Tarris try to reach in and get a steal as often as he does. Maybe it worked once or twice but more often it led to a reach-in foul or just pulling him off-balance a little and making it harder to recover. I just don’t know that it really adds to the disruption, though I’m also not sure if those are by design or those are just Tarris going off script.
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Whaley was maybe the best I've ever seen at any level of basketball with this. Seems like Dan took the success from that and is carrying it over to everyone else besides Clingan.

I don't like to question Dan defensively much because his teams consistently play some of the best defense. Wouldn't mind Reed playing more drop and saving the high hedge for more athletic/mobile players like a Samson or Whaley.
 
Palatine said:
What happens when Reibe and Reed both get in foul trouble? Don't say Karaban.
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We need a muscle PF/C, and I can only imagine Hurley’s dad (LOL) is saying that too. This Luke M Euro Ball only goes so far.
 
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