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Taliek Brown Influence

boog204 said:
Without question. Marcus is horrifically underrated as a PG here. He was as talented as anyone we've ever had. I'm legit shocked he didn't become Jason Kidd'ish in the pros.
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Add Doron to that list as well!
 
Waquoit said:
Or if Marcus Williams hadn't flunked off the team.
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BS - as a freshman Taliek averaged almost 6 assists a game - he was a true pass first point guard - he was a great coach on he floor. Senior year he averaged 6.5- Wiliams was averaging under 5.- they would have been what Jim loved - 2 point guards playing side by side. A freshman Marcus would not have replaced a Senior Taliek.
 
The first pass first PG in the Calhoun era was KO. He did not have a good shot but played D and ran the team. Sheffer was a PG who could really pass but he played off the ball a lot(with KO). Taliek was another KO but an uglier shot. Marcus Williams could shoot but was a flashy passer but he wasn't what anyone would call a lock down defender. All the other PG were really offensive minded and got theirs while the team got theirs- KEA, Kemba, Shabazz, Jalen, etc.
 
hardcorehusky said:
The first pass first PG in the Calhoun era was KO. He did not have a good shot but played D and ran the team. Sheffer was a PG who could really pass but he played off the ball a lot(with KO). Taliek was another KO but an uglier shot. Marcus Williams could shoot but was a flashy passer but he wasn't what anyone would call a lock down defender. All the other PG were really offensive minded and got theirs while the team got theirs- KEA, Kemba, Shabazz, Jalen, etc.
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Not to nit pick but Tate George was actually JCs first pass first PG. He didn’t have much of an outside stroke his first couple seasons and averaged like 6 assists as a freshman. He was 6’5” so he could see over defenses better than others we’ve had.
 
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superjohn said:
Marcus should've had a better nba career but Kidd was always a whole different beast. More athleticism, defense, stronger, harder worker. Kidd was a bulldog and one of the best ever at the point.

Shame is if Marcus just had a good shooting guard/combo to play with his last year at UConn he would've won it all.
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Also ate himself out of the league to some extent

First class court vision and ability to deliver the ball tho no doubt
 
The one thing we haven’t seen from Gaffney yet is a quick first step breaking down his defender in a half court set. It’s mostly East-West movement with him. If he can improve his handle and first step a bit, he’ll be really dangerous.
 
superjohn said:
Marcus should've had a better nba career but Kidd was always a whole different beast. More athleticism, defense, stronger, harder worker. Kidd was a bulldog and one of the best ever at the point.

Shame is if Marcus just had a good shooting guard/combo to play with his last year at UConn he would've won it all.
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Hence the 'ish. I was fairly certain that Marcus would be in the vicinity stat-wise to KIdd - a guy who would be a perennial 14 and 10 guy at the PG spot. Marcus was that good as a passer.
 
glastonbury50 said:
Talented as he may be. FRom a pure winning standpoint. I would way rather have taliek Manning a team with championship expectations. I think he will begin to work wonders with our young pgs as well
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Eh... We'll agree to disagree on that one. Marcus was significantly more talented than Taliek and was the victim of being on a very soft team that just could not figure it out. Marcus was the one guy during our post-season struggles in 2006 who showed up all four games.

13 and 11 vs George Mason
26 and 8 vs Washington
20 and 8 vs. Kentucky
21 and 8 vs. Albany

I don't think Taliek makes that 2006 team any better, personally. You put Marcus on the 04 team and I think we would be even better.
 
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Look for a dramatic sophomore jump for both him and Bouk. I expect the difference to be dramatic.
 
boog204 said:
Eh... We'll agree to disagree on that one. Marcus was significantly more talented than Taliek and was the victim of being on a very soft team that just could not figure it out. Marcus was the one guy during our post-season struggles in 2006 who showed up all four games.

13 and 11 vs George Mason
26 and 8 vs Washington
20 and 8 vs. Kentucky
21 and 8 vs. Albany

I don't think Taliek makes that 2006 team any better, personally. You put Marcus on the 04 team and I think we would be even better.
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Soft? The 2006 team gets shit on because it lost to G Mason but they went 30-4. Yeah they should have won but I don't consider Adrien or Boone soft.

edit love the profanity filter changes to #2
 
Kathy said:
A freshman Marcus would not have replaced a Senior Taliek.
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Maybe, maybe not. But Marcus was outplaying Taliek before he was suspended. He forced Taliek to up his game which he did as a senior.
 
imno1 said:
Soft? The 2006 team gets # 2 on because it lost to G Mason but they went 30-4. Yeah they should have won but I don't consider Adrien or Boone soft.

edit love the profanity filter changes to #2
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haha to #2... Adrien was the toughest kid on the team by far. I'm sorry, but I do consider Josh soft. Especially his junior year. That was a "fragile" team and they never developed any real killer instinct and just kind of floated through the season. I do consider them soft as a whole. They were physically and athletically superior to every team they played the entire year and were down to a 16 seed with ten minutes to go. We were lucky to get through Washington in the Sweet 16 and were outplayed by George Mason. As far as I'm concerned, they do deserve to get #2'd on.

I'd throw the 95-96 team as being soft, too. Just my $0.02
 
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One other thing that Taliek had going for him, was he was physically strong so he couldn't get pushed around underneath and he could defend.
 
tentoes4rings said:
The one thing we haven’t seen from Gaffney yet is a quick first step breaking down his defender in a half court set. It’s mostly East-West movement with him. If he can improve his handle and first step a bit, he’ll be really dangerous.
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Chief thinks Gaffney is the type of guy his shooting must come first, then the quick step after a subtle fake.
 
AD DB Burner said:
For my money, the best pass first PG in recent memory was Marcus Williams, but Taliek was such such a steady leader out there on the floor and a flat out winner. If nothing else, that’s what I want to see passed down to Gaffney.
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Taliek evolved and improvedbut if memory serves he didn’t look as good as Gaffney does freshman year, and seeing where Taliek ended up that bodes well for Gaffney.
 
husky429 said:
His passing and sense for the pace of the game is fantastic. Better imo than most any guard we've had in years.

Needs to work on his handles, shooting, and get bigger. He does any 2/3 of those and he's a starting caliber player.

Last 8 games Gaffney has averaged:

6.4PPG
2.1 RPG
3.9 AST
1.4 TO
1.1 STL

29% from the field
26% from deep

28 minutes per game.

He shoots the ball even slightly BELOW average and he's a 10PPG scorer next year.
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Yup right on some things you can teach and some you can't. His shooting and handles will continue to improve. Guy is going to be a lot of fun to watch progress.
 
glastonbury50 said:
Yup right on some things you can teach and some you can't. His shooting and handles will continue to improve. Guy is going to be a lot of fun to watch progress.
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And the things are really hard to teach he's great at. IQ, feel for the game, passing ability. You really can't COACH that like you can ballhandling and shooting
 
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jibsey said:
Taliek evolved and improvedbut if memory serves he didn’t look as good as Gaffney does freshman year, and seeing where Taliek ended up that bodes well for Gaffney.
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Taliek's stats were actually a little better
Taliek FG 43% Gaffney 32%
2P 45% 37%
3P 25% 27%
Assists 4.9. 2.1
Rebounds 2.5. 1.2
Pts. 8.1. 3.7
SOS. 5.43. 5.30
 
husky429 said:
His passing and sense for the pace of the game is fantastic. Better imo than most any guard we've had in years.

Needs to work on his handles, shooting, and get bigger. He does any 2/3 of those and he's a starting caliber player.

Last 8 games Gaffney has averaged:

6.4PPG
2.1 RPG
3.9 AST
1.4 TO
1.1 STL

29% from the field
26% from deep

28 minutes per game.

He shoots the ball even slightly BELOW average and he's a 10PPG scorer next year.
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I don‘t think he is an inherently poor shooter. I think if he puts the time in, this metric will improve.
 
jibsey said:
Taliek evolved and improvedbut if memory serves he didn’t look as good as Gaffney does freshman year, and seeing where Taliek ended up that bodes well for Gaffney.
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But Taliek's limitations early in his career were never about being timid or hesitant -- more of a bull in the china shop situation. Gaffney on the other hand often seems very hesitant to make a move, and by the time he commits to that move, the door is closing.
 
RichZ said:
But Taliek's limitations early in his career were never about being timid or hesitant -- more of a bull in the china shop situation. Gaffney on the other hand often seems very hesitant to make a move, and by the time he commits to that move, the door is closing.
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Agree, and shooting stroke wise, I think Gaffney will be fine with some work. Taliek started with bad form.
 
AD DB Burner said:
For my money, the best pass first PG in recent memory was Marcus Williams, but Taliek was such such a steady leader out there on the floor and a flat out winner. If nothing else, that’s what I want to see passed down to Gaffney.
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UConn's been fortunate to have some great passing PGs. Agree MW was excellent, averaging 7 assists per game. Doron Sheffer was a great passer too (6 apg).
 
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