Take-aways from the Houston game

[bags27]

I don't know what you guys are looking at. I really like all these kids but this is Connecticut not a mid major. Playing at the end of a game against the end of the bench of a mediocre team isn't a measure of anything relevant to the big games that are coming up. Kyla won't replace Butler even with Nat's limitations. That's silly. Relatively slow 6 footers are over matched in the top 25. Molly might wake up, she might not. You have to be great not simply competent to get minutes in a real game. I think it's unfair, recruiting ordinary players for the CT bench. The new kids will move right past them next year. Everybody is the same in God's eyes but not on the court. Geno will play only 7 players in the big games and hope the refs don't foul them out.

Welcome to the Board!

I don't entirely agree. Geno does evaluate his bench talent playing against other team's bench talent. Often, it's harder to play with your own fellow benchers than with the starters and if you play hard and end up making the plays you're supposed to make, that's what he wants. In fact, Geno threw Molly and Kyla in for the final 3 minutes of the first half against Baylor and they acquitted themselves okay--by which I mean UConn didn't get outscored.

Molly certainly wasn't an "ordinary player" in the eyes of the coaches. If you know her recruiting history, you will appreciate that they were all excited that she was (and will be) a real sleeper--Geno's called her a Kelly Ferris-type player, which is super-high praise. And Kyla is the daughter of 2 coaches and knows the game. It will take them some time to reach their potential--whatever that will be--but it's an extremely hard system to learn at UConn (full switching man-to-man defense; read-and-react motion offense), and, once they learn it, they'll show us what they can do.

To those who despair about how the bench is playing, I believe it was Nan (if someone else, I apologize) who just the other day reminded us of last year's dreadful Cincinnati game, where Geno started the benchers and they proceeded to stink things up. We all despaired. I believe those benchers included Gabby and Pheesaa, and IIRC, Lou was part of that starting team. Too bad they all didn't transfer somewhere else when they had a chance....

 

[hoophuskee]

I don't know what you guys are looking at. I really like all these kids but this is Connecticut not a mid major. Playing at the end of a game against the end of the bench of a mediocre team isn't a measure of anything relevant to the big games that are coming up. Kyla won't replace Butler even with Nat's limitations. That's silly. Relatively slow 6 footers are over matched in the top 25. Molly might wake up, she might not. You have to be great not simply competent to get minutes in a real game. I think it's unfair, recruiting ordinary players for the CT bench. The new kids will move right past them next year. Everybody is the same in God's eyes but not on the court. Geno will play only 7 players in the big games and hope the refs don't foul them out.

I don't understand what the bold means. I can only guess. You think it bad that Molly and Kyla came to UConn? You think they felt confident that they'd play continually in big games from the start?

And I'm not so sure about next year just 7. Though we might blow out many of the top teams so that can be muddled. I think 8 - barring injury. With the 9th being on the cusp.

 

[NHFan]

The AAC is pathetic! It must next to impossible to get up for many of these games. Their style of play requires them to be totally in to reach their expectations and that is not possible although Gabby and Kia come close. I recall Stewie getting bench time for similar play One positive with these games is the playing time for Molly and Kyla which is how they will improve.

 

[NEforceUConn]

If you missed the game and saw the box score and outcome you would think another fine UConn performance. I believe Geno was upset because of the slow start and first quarter, and this was due to Lou and Phese not at their normal outstanding level.

Concerning Molly, who I admit I like due to her Cape Cod roots, is only a freshman and in my mind the only thing missing is her drive to score. This can be corrected and I feel their is a better than even chance that she plays at a Kelly Ferris (yes Kelly Ferris) type level by second half of next season. Now will this level of play put her in the top 7 given the team we will have next year?

I can't remember Crystal's play other than basically winning the Baylor game, so I am not sure how she will fit in the flow of UConn's offense which has since developed with 4 consistent scorers. (Since Baylor both Kia and Phese have found their groves.) Crystal has a different skill set than anyone else on the team and how they fit with team play is still a question for me. Geno believes she is a key piece for the tourney and I hope her recovery and getting into game shape goes smoothly.

If she has a set back and Kia or SC are in early foul trouble I don't think there would be a big drop off with Molly out there assuming she gets a bit more settled offensively over the next 9/10 games. Color me a New England homer.

 

[JordyG]

I think this is the third game in a row where Lou has not run a curl. Maybe I'm wrong, but for the last three she certainly hasn't run more than one per game, and that shot had become money for her and the team. This means a few things to me. Running constant curls takes energy. It's easier to stand outside and shoot or drive off the dribble. Outside you also take fewer bumps and bruises. It means your teammates play a less dynamic game with less movement, screens, and pick and rolls. It's a harder shot to make as well. It means when you play the tougher defensive teams like Baylor that shot may not drop for you and your teammates may be out of sync with their sets and rotations. Lou is not the type that can consistently create her own shot. This all may be problematic down the road.

 

[Kibitzer]

Everybody is the same in God's eyes but not on the court. Geno will play only 7 players in the big games and hope the refs don't foul them out.

Reminds me of an old adage:

"God made men all different sizes but Sam Colt made them all equal."​

 

[HumblePie]

- Lou disappointed me for the first time this year and it's not the misses. I think Lou and Pheese were the two most guilty or just "showing up.". It's hard to pin point but the level of concentration/sharpness is the best way i can put it.

If I had to guess, it appeared to me that Lou (at least) wasn't feeling well.

- On Lou's behalf I felt there were a number of times she called for ball down low with smaller defender in first half and they did not pass it to her. I mention this because she will typically, almost always, have a height advantage so they should target this more. I have seen them do it well at times throughout year too but not exploiting it as much as I think they can.

Glad to see that someone else has finally noticed this. Actually, they rarely pass to Lou when she's inside, could have a backdoor, or on numerous cuts through the key.

If they play the way they did today (except for Gabby), So. Carolina will eat their breakfast, lunch and dinner!

 

[donalddoowop]

Don't agree with many here on Kyla. This wasn't a good she played against. She is very slow in the post. She can't be relied on to defend. Molly can at least play D. From the bench for the 8th player coming off of it- you want "defense" for the most part for this team imo. We can score usually.

There has to be a starting point where a player starts to play well. This may have been it for Kyla. You complain that her defense is weak as if she can't improve and her freshman year is only two thirds over. She showed some offense today yet you complain about her defense. Molly plays good defense yet people complain about her offense. Some people on this board ARE spoiled. To say as a matter of fact that a player will NOT get better is not wise because no one knows but, I understand that is your opinion. Who thought Gabby would be as good as she is now based on her freshman play or Farris based on hers? Imo, I believe Irwin would be more productive playing outside on offense and inside on defense. She blocks out well and can rebound. She has a good shot from fifteen feet on out. With her basketball background I believe she will eventually come into her own. There is no guarantee all of next seasons freshmen will learn the Uconn system well enough to satisfy the coaches to gain meaningful minutes. Also, Collier must be one special player to receive so much criticism after getting another double double.

 

[donalddoowop]

If I had to guess, it appeared to me that Lou (at least) wasn't feeling well.



Glad to see that someone else has finally noticed this. Actually, they rarely pass to Lou when she's inside, could have a backdoor, or on numerous cuts through the key.

If they play the way they did today (except for Gabby), So. Carolina will eat their breakfast, lunch and dinner!

Not if they score over 80 points.

 

[HumblePie]

I think this is the third game in a row where Lou has not run a curl. Maybe I'm wrong, but for the last three she certainly hasn't run more than one per game, and that shot had become money for her and the team. This means a few things to me. Running constant curls takes energy. It's easier to stand outside and shoot or drive off the dribble. Outside you also take fewer bumps and bruises. It means your teammates play a less dynamic game with less movement, screens, and pick and rolls. It's a harder shot to make as well. It means when you play the tougher defensive teams like Baylor that shot may not drop for you and your teammates may be out of sync with their sets and rotations. Lou is not the type that can consistently create her own shot. This all may be problematic down the road.

Good point, except in order to effectively run the curl, a teammate must be counted on to participate. When this doesn't happen consistently (and it doesn't) it could be she just gives up on it. Or, maybe their just trying to keep this under wraps for games when it might be really needed. I do agree that Lou seems to not have great energy at times. She's looked that way to me the entire season. However, don't think for a minute that she's not capable of creating her own shot consistently. Keep in mind that she's playing on a super team with other great players who want to show their stuff as well.

 

[HumblePie]

Not if they score over 80 points.

Scoring 80 points against a very bad team means nothing. They should have scored 120 points.

 

[JordyG]

Good point, except in order to effectively run the curl, a teammate must be counted on to participate. When this doesn't happen consistently (and it doesn't) it could be she just gives up on it. Or, maybe their just trying to keep this under wraps for games when it might be really needed. I do agree that Lou seems to not have great energy at times. She's looked that way to me the entire season. However, don't think for a minute that she's not capable of creating her own shot consistently. Keep in mind that she's playing on a super team with other great players who want to show their stuff as well.

Actually she hasn't attempted curls in order to fail and give up on it. The teams UConn's been playing just haven't been good enough to stop her from getting off her shots so she's said, why bother? Also watch again the USF game and how they came out on their first offensive trip. The pace they played at in USF's end hasn't been matched in any game at anytime since. Lou ran curl after curl, everyone was in constant motion and everyone got easy after easy shots. In order to beat the better teams that's going to be necessary trip after trip for 4 quarters.

 

[Sonny44]

The stats just do not reinforce that they play was less than stellar.
Consider:

1. 49 point spread
2. Scored six more than their average of 85.
3. 29 assists
4. 5 in double figures
5. Two with more than 10 rebounds
6. "Just" 40% from 3 and "just" 49% from the field.
7. Other than a poke in the eye, no significant injuries.

No doubt the bar is set way too high. So they might have been a little bored against a bad Houston team. Still a really productive day.

Everybody should memorize this.

 

[oldude]

The bench played OK, but everyone coming off the bench is limited to some degree. Geno indicated as much in his post game presser. He also indicated they miss Crystal.

Crystal is back on Weds, although her minutes will be limited. The Huskies absolutely need her to be the energizer bunny off the bench. Crystal is the only reserve the Huskies have who is capable of taking over a game.

Everyone looks at the Baylor game as an example of what Crystal can do. IMO, look at the Dayton game. 9 assists, a couple steals and 1 TO. Crystal showed explosive, Mo-like, speed. Subsequently, she played more conservatively, due in part to the inflammation in her foot.

The Huskies have been great this season, but IMO in order to hang their 12th banner, Crystal will need to be a difference maker come tourney time.

 

[HumblePie]

Actually she hasn't attempted curls in order to fail and give up on it. The teams UConn's been playing just haven't been good enough to stop her from getting off her shots so she's said, why bother? Also watch again the USF game and how they came out on their first offensive trip. The pace they played at in USF's end hasn't been matched in any game at anytime since. Lou ran curl after curl, everyone was in constant motion and everyone got easy after easy shots. In order to beat the better teams that's going to be necessary trip after trip for 4 quarters.

You need to actually read and comprehend what I said, instead of attempting to attack me on things I didn't say. You're the one who questioned why Lou hasn't run a curl in the last three games. I simply gave you an explanation or possible reason why. Please stop attempting to educate me on a game I've forgotten more about than you've learned.

 

[Papa33]

Fairness and you are correct--not as much--but it is still infuriating to see it happen--because it is just plain stupid--to do in the midst of 3 small guards--bounce it on their heads??

"stupid"? Really? A number of people on this forum feel that Natalie needs to shed some old habits and improve her game, yes. But you might want to dial back your vocabulary. Nothing much helpful in that word choice.

 

[JordyG]

You need to actually read and comprehend what I said, instead of attempting to attack me on things I didn't say. You're the one who questioned why Lou hasn't run a curl in the last three games. I simply gave you an explanation or possible reason why. Please stop attempting to educate me on a game I've forgotten more about than you've learned.

I'm sorry you read my answer as an attack. It wasn't meant at all to be so. Especially since you started your reply with "Good point". I"m sorry you took it so. It was meant to be a furtherance of my thoughts on the subject. Perhaps I'm also guilty of thinking out loud. For that too I apologize.

 

[Tonyc]

This is a game we dont understand as fans. Our team had an off nite for now. Temple is next and they should be up for that game we will see if they are and if they're not then Geno has some work to do. No fears yet we will out talent and out execute til the Final 4.

Bottom line is UConn is to good to not to play well enough to win. Dont worry about this game. Teams go up and down and this team has been up for a very long time. Im not worried.

 

[hoophuskee]

There has to be a starting point where a player starts to play well. This may have been it for Kyla. You complain that her defense is weak as if she can't improve and her freshman year is only two thirds over. She showed some offense today yet you complain about her defense. Molly plays good defense yet people complain about her offense. Some people on this board ARE spoiled. To say as a matter of fact that a player will NOT get better is not wise because no one knows but, I understand that is your opinion. Who thought Gabby would be as good as she is now based on her freshman play or Farris based on hers? Imo, I believe Irwin would be more productive playing outside on offense and inside on defense. She blocks out well and can rebound. She has a good shot from fifteen feet on out. With her basketball background I believe she will eventually come into her own. There is no guarantee all of next seasons freshmen will learn the Uconn system well enough to satisfy the coaches to gain meaningful minutes. Also, Collier must be one special player to receive so much criticism after getting another double double.

We can agree to disagree to a point. My post reflected this year-- and what she needs to do for future years - imo. You say "There has to be a starting point where a player starts to play well." It is my opinion - absolutely- and imo her offensive showing "isn't the start." Her offensive improvement because she hits a few shots which may be a big help to this team going forward is an illusion. Other players are better than her offensively. Her offense - to rely on it as a freshmen with her talent-- though talented to a point that it may be- is not what this team needs. This team is stacked offensively. I think you even mentioned how well the team scored on this thread. IMO the starting point for Kyla begins when you see her become quicker on defense and very tough. Right now I don't see it. Unless you tell me she is about to transform into an offensive weapon hybrid Collier/Lou/Gabby -- with Kyla imo everything in terms of future important minutes for this team needs must come from her defense. Sticking an occasional 3 is nice but defense is far more important for her and this team imo.

 

[hoophuskee]

The stats just do not reinforce that they play was less than stellar.
Consider:

1. 49 point spread
2. Scored six more than their average of 85.
3. 29 assists
4. 5 in double figures
5. Two with more than 10 rebounds
6. "Just" 40% from 3 and "just" 49% from the field.
7. Other than a poke in the eye, no significant injuries.

No doubt the bar is set way too high. So they might have been a little bored against a bad Houston team. Still a really productive day.

Geno criticized them on SNY at the post game. Though we don't need to be the coach there was something to be said of his criticism, right? He did shrug it off I think saying one game isn't a big deal but if there were 5 like this he'd be concerned. So in some way the play was less than stellar, wasn't it? I will say in terms of offensive efficiency it was less than stellar considering the competition and that we were home.

If you look at efg% in terms of offensive execution- this was their 2nd worst performance when playing against teams from their conference as a comparison. The worst efg% was vs SMU but with SMU we were away from home and we also had 14 blocks and 13 steals which could be some form of measuring effort. So in that game effort seemed sterling.

But today, we were playing the worst team in the AAC / 2nd worst - playing them at home. It, the efg%, was still good at 54.05 -- but vs the worst team at home, you can expect better. However, just as many of us I think believe- this particular game in terms of less stellar efficiency vs such a weak team is no big deal. Anyhow, you did hear at halftime when Geno said he felt his team did nothing "well," right?

 

[victor64]

Geno criticized them on SNY at the post game. Though we don't need to be the coach there was something to be said of his criticism, right? He did shrug it off I think saying one game isn't a big deal but if there were 5 like this he'd be concerned. So in some way the play was less than stellar, wasn't it? I will say in terms of offensive efficiency it was less than stellar considering the competition and that we were home.

If you look at efg% in terms of offensive execution- this was their 2nd worst performance when playing against teams from their conference as a comparison. The worst efg% was vs SMU but with SMU we were away from home and we also had 14 blocks and 13 steals which could be some form of measuring effort. So in that game effort seemed sterling.

But today, we were playing the worst team in the AAC / 2nd worst - playing them at home. It, the efg%, was still good at 54.05 -- but vs the worst team at home, you can expect better. However, just as many of us I think believe- this particular game in terms of less stellar efficiency vs such a weak team is no big deal. Anyhow, you did hear at halftime when Geno said he felt his team did nothing "well," right?

I did. Justine caught him in the heat of the moment. I also heard the post game when he was much calmer and had a chance to get some perspective. I am not quoting him exactly but he said something like what happened today was not part of a pattern. He actually blamed himself.

When you coached Hoop, did you get this concerned when your team won by 49? Ball movement and shooting percentage are certainly fixable issues. If he isn't worried why should we be?

 

[hoophuskee]

I did. Justine caught him in the heat of the moment. I also heard the post game when he was much calmer and had a chance to get some perspective. I am not quoting him exactly but he said something like what happened today was not part of a pattern. He actually blamed himself.

When you coached Hoop, did you get this concerned when your team won by 49? Ball movement and shooting percentage are certainly fixable issues. If he isn't worried why should we be?

I'm with you-- I'm not concerned. I said the following when I replied to you:

He did shrug it off I think saying one game isn't a big deal but if there were 5 like this he'd be concerned.

They just weren't as efficient as they normally are. He did keep them in the locker room - no shoot around to start the 2nd half. And I did think he was calm when he was interviewed. I thought something was off - but not a big deal.

If you thought when watching they were at the level they normally play to- we'll just have to agree to disagree. But I don't expect perfection. Geno can - it's his job. I used to get upset years ago when Geno would go off on Tina Charles. The further frustration was that the media treated his exaggerations in which he was a coach as gospel. He was just using the "worst post in America" formula. It should never have been taken literally but the media believed him literally and as a result even today some fans think it true that she was a major under-achiever her 1st two years because they heard both Geno and read the media. However, in reality, Tina was honorable mention a/a her frosh year, 3rd team a/a her soph year - and in jr year she was among the top ten in America. Just because she wasn't "perfect" the moment she stepped onto the court as a frosh doesn't mean she under-achieved. The expectations were too high for a freshman to be a superstar. And in today's game for anyone to make any negative big deal out of this game -- their expectation is out of whack with reality. You're not going to get a perfect game or a perfect player. And Sometimes your team doesn't play at the same efficiency game over game over game. The pros don't do it, so why should we expect college kids too? So I'm with you in that regard. I just thought they were a little off considering who their opponent was and that they were playing at home. But overall no big deal.

 

[Convert2016]

Geno criticized them on SNY at the post game. Though we don't need to be the coach there was something to be said of his criticism, right? He did shrug it off I think saying one game isn't a big deal but if there were 5 like this he'd be concerned. So in some way the play was less than stellar, wasn't it? I will say in terms of offensive efficiency it was less than stellar considering the competition and that we were home.

If you look at efg% in terms of offensive execution- this was their 2nd worst performance when playing against teams from their conference as a comparison. The worst efg% was vs SMU but with SMU we were away from home and we also had 14 blocks and 13 steals which could be some form of measuring effort. So in that game effort seemed sterling.

But today, we were playing the worst team in the AAC / 2nd worst - playing them at home. It, the efg%, was still good at 54.05 -- but vs the worst team at home, you can expect better. However, just as many of us I think believe- this particular game in terms of less stellar efficiency vs such a weak team is no big deal. Anyhow, you did hear at halftime when Geno said he felt his team did nothing "well," right?

If you look at any championship team, any season, undefeated or not, there are times in 30+ games where you don't play your best. No team dominates every quarter of every game. There are always going to be highs and lows. You just want to peak come March at tournament time.
Obviously Houston wasn't there best game. What people sometimes forget is every time U Conn steps on the floor, they are going to get that team's very best effort regardless of their record. All those girls (and any team in D-1) were all-league, and maybe even all-state when they were in high school. I actually thought Houston played hard, particularly on defense, in the first half. In spite of the less-than-average performance, U Conn also held Houston to 6 total points for quite a long time.
I really think one more player (Crystal) will make a huge difference (as long as everyone else can stay on the floor-Lou, Gabby, and Kia have all been punched in the last week) and the team got the message today. Temple is a better team, it may be a closer game, but you will see a lot more energy and focus..

 

[UcMiami]

On the Curl plays ... I am pretty sure those are plays called from the bench, not by Lou, and they depend on typically all five players in a choreographed sequence. Lou is coming off a double screen with the ball moving at the same time to be on the opposite wing to make the pass to Lou as she clears that second screen. UConn does not run that many 'set plays' so the frequency of that play being run is not going to be very great and it is much more likely to show up in a competitive game when UConn might be struggling to score than in a game where the only struggle was getting kick-started in the 1st Q

 

[Sonny44]

You need to actually read and comprehend what I said, instead of attempting to attack me on things I didn't say. You're the one who questioned why Lou hasn't run a curl in the last three games. I simply gave you an explanation or possible reason why. Please stop attempting to educate me on a game I've forgotten more about than you've learned.

 

[Wbbfan1]

Rather Watch an AAC game, then most SEC Games. While the So Carolina vs Miss St Game was a match up of two quality teams, the Basketball was UGLY. The only reason that game was watchable was because the closeness of the game and the teams involved. Give me an ACC, PAC 12 and yes an AAC game over most SEC Games.

The AAC is pathetic! It must next to impossible to get up for many of these games. Their style of play requires them to be totally in to reach their expectations and that is not possible although Gabby and Kia come close. I recall Stewie getting bench time for similar play One positive with these games is the playing time for Molly and Kyla which is how they will improve.

 

[Bestiarius]

If I had to guess, it appeared to me that Lou (at least) wasn't feeling well.



Glad to see that someone else has finally noticed this. Actually, they rarely pass to Lou when she's inside, could have a backdoor, or on numerous cuts through the key.

If they play the way they did today (except for Gabby), So. Carolina will eat their breakfast, lunch and dinner!

Could it be that Geno is holding back in anticipation of the S Carolina game? Why show all the cards in a game when they are not needed.

 

[BroadwayVa]

"stupid"? Really? A number of people on this forum feel that Natalie needs to shed some old habits and improve her game, yes. But you might want to dial back your vocabulary. Nothing much helpful in that word choice.

You are correct as you implied I should have said: Natalie's penchant to dribble the ball among 3 small defenders ---was a very brilliant application of Basketball intelligence!! I'm sure those are the words YOU would have selected.

 

[Papa33]

You are correct as you implied I should have said: Natalie's penchant to dribble the ball among 3 small defenders ---was a very brilliant application of Basketball intelligence!! I'm sure those are the words YOU would have selected.

Sigh. No, not what I would have used. In fact, not what I did use when I tried to critique her problems a day or two ago on this forum. What I tried to do was offer constructive criticism of her problem of receiving passes in a balanced stance, where she didn't need to dribble to get a shot up. Note that yesterday, against Houston, she was able to pivot or set up her shot without dribbling. You seem to know something about basketball; why not frame your criticisms in more helpful terms?

 

[ricky]

Gabby needs to touch the ball on every possession. 1st quarter Gabby showed her numbers with only one defender with the paint cleared out. Lou had an easy feed to her but nah, let me dribble around some and show my stuff. It doesn't matter who is gaurding Gabby. Give her the ball. She's on fire this year.