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UConn is still hurting (depth wise) from the scholarship reductions from the Miles and academic deficiencies. So very glad to see SU get it right between the eyes. They have been a dirty program for . . . forever. I'd like to see them play with two scholarship programs and their "all intramural" team. They were an inferior pick for the ACC than UConn ever would have been.
 
CTGoonie said:
Reducton of scholarships won't hurt Cuse that much since they only play 7 or 8 guys anyway.
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Neither would a post-season ban since they love to choke before the second weekend.
 
Dooley said:
Our postseason ban hurt more because, obviously, we would have qualified for the tourney with a 20 win team. Also being excluded from participating in the last Big East tourney in the arena that is "UConn South" hurt more.

I don't see any Andre Drummonds playing at Cuse as a preferred walk-on.

I'd like to know if the NCAA has opened its transfer window for current players like they did against us. If some of their guys can transfer without having to sit out 2015-16 season, they are as good as gone.
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but why would they, the team is eligible for everything, do you think Jimmy B not being at the helm for 9 games is going to affect a player that much?
 
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tcf15 said:
Honestly, if I was a Syracuse fan, I would rather a post season ban for next year than the 4 year scholarship reduction. I said this in another thread, but operating with 10 scholarships a year over a four year span, coupled with the possible retirement of Boeheim, is going to hurt.
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Wow, do I feel bad!!!!!!!!!!! Baloney, this program has been run the wrong way for a long time and they deserve to be hit badly. The only real sorrow is that Boeheim might not be around long enough to bear the brunt of his tactics over these many years. I'm loving the ACC bringing in these programs that were meant to enhance their conference over UConn and to have this explode in their face. There were many Syracuse guys coming over to this board who were slamming the Huskies and Calhoun over the years and to have their image trampled is true justice! The fact that they abandoned the Huskies and the Big East to trot off to the ACC makes this that much more sweet.
 
Dooley said:
Our postseason ban hurt more because, obviously, we would have qualified for the tourney with a 20 win team. Also being excluded from participating in the last Big East tourney in the arena that is "UConn South" hurt more.

I don't see any Andre Drummonds playing at Cuse as a preferred walk-on.

I'd like to know if the NCAA has opened its transfer window for current players like they did against us. If some of their guys can transfer without having to sit out 2015-16 season, they are as good as gone.
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Why would they want to transfer? Syracuse basically received no punishment that affects them.
 
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Recruiting restrictions, plus losing three scholarships a year for four years is really, really going to hurt.

It's going to hurt the next coach of Syracuse more than the current one.

Even worse, it just tags their program forever. This is the second time around.
 
7774 said:
Well North Carolina has been cheating for a couple solid decades, so yes is the answer to your question.
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The question was "more corrupt" and it's quite possible there's little distinction between the two of them. Just because Syracuse is getting nailed for a certain block of years doesn't mean that a lot of this same crap wasn't happening before but there's just no verification. I couldn't ever understand how Boeheim was continually getting premier players when he was always falling far short in the post season normally with a couple of exceptions. How often did they lose out to lower seeds in the Sweet Sixteen or before? Many, many!!!!
 
TouchdownHusky said:
UConn is still hurting (depth wise) from the scholarship reductions from the Miles and academic deficiencies. So very glad to see SU get it right between the eyes. They have been a dirty program for . . . forever. I'd like to see them play with two scholarship programs and their "all intramural" team. They were an inferior pick for the ACC than UConn ever would have been.
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UConn got a postseason ban.

And that allowed players to leave without missing a year.

UConn lost Oriakhi and Roscoe Smith. It also lost recruits because of the postseason ban.

In other words, UConn was damaged by APR and postseason ban.
 
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UChusky916 said:
Neither would a post-season ban since they love to choke before the second weekend.
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ah, but that's where you're wrong. Look how single year post season ban affected us, We had players transferring and potential recruits not even looking at us anymore. We are still feeling the effects. A post season ban does a lot more than just keep you out of the post season. It is the most severe punishment the NCAA can hand down short of the death penalty. They would lose their prized recruit and they would lose their best players to transfer just for a ban next year.

Cuse fans are celebrating, trust me.
 
The scholarship losses are huge. It's not like Syracuse picks their choice of top 20 kid like UK. They recruit mostly 30-100 kids and now they need to hit on every one of them. They will need their Omar Calhoun and Facey types to pan out and produce immediately. And the stink associated with their program, and loss of recruiting time will make this much more difficult. There is a small chance that they feel little effect but their margin of error is zero.
 
Syracuse will have 9 scholarship players returning next year. Plus 4 recruits who have signed LOI's. They're only allowed 1 more scholarship for next year.....

Ollie better be knocking on Malachai Richardson's door...
 
CTBasketball said:
Syracuse will have 9 scholarship players returning next year. Plus 4 recruits who have signed LOI's. They're only allowed 1 more scholarship for next year.....

Ollie better be knocking on Malachai Richardson's door...
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Since they already offered scholarships for next year they get to delay that penalty to the following 2016-17 year. At least that's how I read the punishment.
 
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It's really easy to lose site of Jim Boeheim's complete legacy when you boil him down to the fact that he's lead 15 years of cheating in his program, but let's not forget that there's more to him than that. Yes, he oversaw two major NCAA penalties and when you add up the years of impact, his penalized periods may in fact be longer than his non penalized periods.

That being said, on the other side of the coin, this is also a man who is being sued for slandering two victims of sexual abuse that occurred around his program in an attempt to protect a pedophile and his reputation.

So let's not try to box him in as one thing or another.
 
7774 said:
Since they already offered scholarships for next year they get to delay that penalty to the following 2016-17 year. At least that's how I read the punishment.
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OkaForPrez said:
It's really easy to lose site of Jim Boeheim's complete legacy when you boil him down to the fact that he's lead 15 years of cheating in his program, but let's not forget that there's more to him than that. Yes, he oversaw two major NCAA penalties and when you add up the years of impact, his penalized periods may in fact be longer than his non penalized periods.

That being said, on the other side of the coin, this is also a man who is being sued for slandering two victims of sexual abuse that occurred around his program in an attempt to protect a pedophile and his reputation.

So let's not try to box him in as one thing or another.
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I sense a lot of likes headed to this post.
 
UConnSportsGuy said:
But what are the odds that Syracuse actually serves that full punishment? My guess is that after a year or two, the restrictions are reduced for "good behavior" just like the Penn St punishment. Or maybe they are reduced in a couple of years when Boeheim retires. Either way, I bet they don't end up having to actually serve the full penalty when all is said and done.
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In my opinion, at least, Penn St was nailed for criminal violations, which the NCAA has no authority over, while Syracuse has been hit on academic violations, which the NCAA has oversight over. The NCAA knew that they were going to lose in court regarding the $60 million fine and thus backed-off. That si not a treat with these violations for Syracuse, so I doubt that they will reduce the penalty unless the NCAA decides that Boehiem 'deserves' to leave on a high note.
 
The Viking said:
I might be in the minority but I agree with a few that getting banned next year would have been worse than the schollies.
Cuse has a strong class coming in, some of them would have splintered off - maybe most...and a disgraced Boeheim likely would have thought about retiring.

Plus I have no doubt that the NCAA turtles in a few years of Cuse all of a sudden acting holier than thou and these scholly reductions are halved at the very least.
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Anything if Syracuse players will be able to transfer and play right away due to these transgressions? That is how to truly hurt a program.
 
Fishy said:
Recruiting restrictions, plus losing three scholarships a year for four years is really, really going to hurt.

It's going to hurt the next coach of Syracuse more than the current one.

Even worse, it just tags their program forever. This is the second time around.
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Being tagged multiple times does not seem to have hurt Kentucky :mad:
 
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Mr. Conehead said:
Anything if Syracuse players will be able to transfer and play right away due to these transgressions? That is how to truly hurt a program.
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They have no reason to transfer. They have their scholarships and are eligible for the tournament.
 
7774 said:
Since they already offered scholarships for next year they get to delay that penalty to the following 2016-17 year. At least that's how I read the punishment.
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which is exactly why the punishment isnt nearly as bad as it appears at face value. This really doesnt have much of an immediate imapact. No postseason ban that actually affects recruiting/ transfers since they banned themselves this year.

If the one year ban was next year and the scholarship losses started immediately, then it would be really bad. They got punished for sure. But nothing that will immediately start crushing the program (like we got)
 
Mr. Conehead said:
Being tagged multiple times does not seem to have hurt Kentucky :mad:
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There's a Teflon nature to the blue bloods.

Kansas, UCLA and Kentucky have historically been fairly dirty.

Syracuse won't get that leeway.
 
So the consensus from the college basketball landscape, including Cuse fans, is that they got hammered and the next 5 years will be very difficult. UCONN fans think they got off way too easy. Sounds about right.

I think it is BS that they aren't banned next year but the scholarship losses and recruiting losses are definitely worse than a one year ban without the recruiting limitations.
 
walker11 said:
So the consensus from the college basketball landscape, including Cuse fans, is that they got hammered and the next 5 years will be very difficult. UCONN fans think they got off way too easy. Sounds about right.

I think it is BS that they aren't banned next year but the scholarship losses and recruiting losses are definitely worse than a one year ban without the recruiting limitations.
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Plus, this is Syracuse we are talking about here. Basketball in March ain't exactly a walk in the park for them.
 
I wonder how this impacts Jimmy B's legacy as a "HOF" coach. I would thoroughly enjoy seeing him get booted out of the HOF. Doubt it would ever happen but no one is more deserving than him.
 
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