Syracuse slapped hard by NCAA

[7774]

So the consensus from the college basketball landscape, including Cuse fans, is that they got hammered and the next 5 years will be very difficult. UCONN fans think they got off way too easy. Sounds about right.

I think it is BS that they aren't banned next year but the scholarship losses and recruiting losses are definitely worse than a one year ban without the recruiting limitations.

I don't know who falls into the "consensus from the college basketball landscape", but Bilas does not think they got hammered, and he's one of the 2 or 3 people in the college basketball media with an actual clue.

I don't agree at all that the scholarship/recruiting restrictions are worse than a 1 year ban.

 

[Jerry1714]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...tined-to-hinder-syracuse-in-a-variety-of-ways

"Consequently, their recruiting net will be smaller than literally everybody else's.

Any misses will be magnified and devastating.

It'll be difficult to stay nationally relevant.

That seems undeniable."

Also, the effect on hiring a new coach in a couple years is very big

 

[Walker11]

I don't know who falls into the "consensus from the college basketball landscape", but Bilas does not think they got hammered, and he's one of the 2 or 3 people in the college basketball media with an actual clue.

I don't agree at all that the scholarship/recruiting restrictions are worse than a 1 year ban.

I am basing my opinion on the reaction on the Reddit general college basketball board, which at the least is a way more intelligent board than the Yard.

 

[7774]

I am basing my opinion on the reaction on the Reddit general college basketball board, which at the least is a way more intelligent board than the Yard.

LOL, well I can't argue with that.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

They will not serve the entire penalty. ESPN won't allow it.

 

[temery]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...tined-to-hinder-syracuse-in-a-variety-of-ways

"Consequently, their recruiting net will be smaller than literally everybody else's.

Any misses will be magnified and devastating.

It'll be difficult to stay nationally relevant.

That seems undeniable."

Also, the effect on hiring a new coach in a couple years is very big

Syracuse already has their next coach.

 

[Kitaman]

cuse got over! They keep their ship. BS all around.

 

[Walker11]

LOL, well I can't argue with that.

The point is that basically every fan base besides ours thinks Cuse got hammered. Plus, the most knowledgeable posters on the board, IMO, think Cuse got hammered.

I explained before that Cuse now has no margin for error with recruiting. And now they have a tarnished brand and can only have two recruiters. And a coach who will probably retire before the sanctions are over. This is a big deal.

They may be fine next year since they already have a solid recruiting class but this will affect them for years. And even in that class, they have to hope that kids like Lydon and Howard and Diagne are the real deal immediately. Having watched these kids a little, I wouldn't be surprised if 2 of them bust, which would be hugely negative for the program. Plus they already have an extremely limited sophomore class as is, and unless Boeheim starts brizzing kids, they will be taking up valuable rosters spots the following two years.

 

[7774]

The point is that basically every fan base besides ours thinks Cuse got hammered. Plus, the most knowledgeable posters on the board, IMO, think Cuse got hammered.

I explained before that Cuse now has no margin for error with recruiting. And now they have a tarnished brand and can only have two recruiters. And a coach who will probably retire before the sanctions are over. This is a big deal.

They may be fine next year since they already have a solid recruiting class but this will affect them for years. And even in that class, they have to hope that kids like Lydon and Howard and Diagne are the real deal immediately. Having watched these kids a little, I wouldn't be surprised if 2 of them bust, which would be hugely negative for the program. Plus they already have an extremely limited sophomore class as is, and unless Boeheim starts brizzing kids, they will be taking up valuable rosters spots the following two years.

I hope you are correct. I probably should have been more clear that the part of your post I can't argue with is that board being much more intelligent than this one.

 

[Jerry1714]

Syracuse already has their next coach.

Does an AD under fire really want to promote a guy who was around for the entire 10 years of cheating, lies, impermissible benefits, and drugs?

Especially one with 0 head coaching experience?

Doubtful.

 

[Fishy]

Syracuse already has their next coach.

I doubt it.

There's a reason Hopkins has been chasing jobs over the past couple of years.

 

[zls44]

Hopkins is lucky he didn't get a show cause.

 

[upstater]

One thing to add: the NCAA wants Cuse to pay back all NCAA credits from multiple years in the BE.

That's pretty substantial, no? $1.5m per year?

The school could take a $5-7m hit on this. That's a lot of money for a school.

 

[upstater]

This only applied to seniors, meaning only Oriakhi. Roscoe had to sit out a year, as anyone would have to. He tried to get around that and was denied.

But the lack of a postseason was a reason for Roscoe's leaving

 

[MattMang23]

ACC

All
Convicts
Conference

 

[Jerry1714]

One thing to add: the NCAA wants Cuse to pay back all NCAA credits from multiple years in the BE.

That's pretty substantial, no? $1.5m per year?

The school could take a $5-7m hit on this. That's a lot of money for a school.

This may be a dumb question, but where does the money go? To the NCAA? To the conference to be redistributed?

 

[Husky25]

Only 'Cuse Fans think that holding oneself out of a tournament they wouldn't qualify for in the first place is appropriate for 15 years of academic, financial, and "recreational" violations.

poll

 

[MattMang23]

Infractions go back to 2001 yet they only begin reducing wins from 04-05...

They negotiated the start date of when to start sanctioning themselves and vacate wins for the use of ineligible players to May 4, 2003. How convenient.

 

[Jerry1714]

First impact:

http://zagsblog.com/articles/thomas...as-syracuse-penalties-complicate-recruitment/

And with the NCAA penalties levied against Syracuse, the Orange cannot add anyone who hasn’t already signed a National Letter of Intent. Syracuse already has a four-man class signed for 2015-16.

“That means Syracuse’s recruitment of Thomas Bryant, a highly-regarded player in the 2015 class, is all but over,” according to Mike Waters of Syracuse.com. “Bryant, a 6-9 center from Rochester, has yet to make his decision. Syracuse would not be able to get a waiver of the scholarship reduction to bring him in. As a result, Syracuse would need four players to leave in order to sign Bryant.”

Bryant had narrowed his list to Syracuse, Kentucky, Indiana and Missouri.

Linda Bryant, Thomas’ mother, recently told Syracuse.com that Syracuse and Indiana were the leaders for her son.

 

[Jerry1714]

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria 2m2 minutes ago
"The scholarship reductions probably mean Syracuse's pursuit of 2016 recruit Tyus Battle is over." @MikeWatersSYR . Battle had cut to 7.

Yet the Boneyard tries to say the scholly reduction means nothing because they only play 7-8 guys ha

 

[MattMang23]

The Syracuse ESPN radio guys are suggesting that they ask scholarship players on the end of their bench to transfer to accommodate him.

Because that wouldn't be unethical at all. Then again, Syracuse doesn't do ethics.

 

[August_West]

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria 2m2 minutes ago
"The scholarship reductions probably mean Syracuse's pursuit of 2016 recruit Tyus Battle is over." @MikeWatersSYR . Battle had cut to 7.

Yet the Boneyard tries to say the scholly reduction means nothing because they only play 7-8 guys ha

If they want Battle they will find a way. Battle might not choose them, but it wont be because of Scholarship reduction. They would push someone out for Black Mamba in a heartbeat, dont kid yourself here.

 

[nycscooby]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ollege-basketball-ncaa-investigaton/24497089/

Who knows if the NCAA came down hard or not, no one knows what the actual violations were? I think the Cuse got off easy, I bet there was some real fraudulent activity there for a long time (as I recall, the period under investigation was 2001-2013 and the NCAA investigation took 7 years to complete).

 

[Inyatkin]

But the lack of a postseason was a reason for Roscoe's leaving

I'm sure it played into it, but I'm not sure you can make a blanket statement on something he's never talked about, to the best of my knowledge.

 

[uconnell]

I thought they'd be hit a tad harder. Losing 3 scholarships a year is nothing to sniff at. I want to see how many wins Boeheim loses and if any of those games lead to any title or FF being vacated. I want to see how much money is paid back. I think at least another year of post season ban is in order.

There was a decade's worth of violations that followed a pattern and may very well be the definition of "lack of institutional control". They should have gotten their ass kicked harder, IMO.

Has there been a more corrupt hoops program in history than Boeheim's Fruit? Honest question.

Yes North Carolina!

 

[Jerry1714]

If they want Battle they will find a way. Battle might not choose them, but it wont be because of Scholarship reduction. They would push someone out for Black Mamba in a heartbeat, dont kid yourself here.

Yes, every scholly is just for a year, so technically they can force everyone out. Cuse does not have a scholly right now for them, they need to get rid of 2 guys in fact for that year.

You think Battle is going to sign into that situation?

 

[Husky25]

Did the NCAA effectively end Big Time Division 1 College Basketball in up state New York? Could be getting a glimpse of the Syracuse Basketball machine, post-Boeheim.

 

[Mano]

Whelp! This fits into my personal thoughts that whatever happened to Syracuse would be light enough that when it comes time to punish UNC, that although their punishment will be incrementally harsher, it still won't be so harsh as to completely and devastatingly gut and destroy their program to a near unrecoverable state. So thats why I'm guessing we don't see another year of banishment from postseason play for Cuse. What I'm guessing will happen is that UNC will see similar parameters of punishment (loss of recruiting privileges, scholly reductions) with an additional year, hopefully two, of postseason play bans. When really what would have been befitting would be Cuse seeing a postseason ban next year (effectively making it two years in a row) and UNC seeing at least three years worth.

 

[Pudge]

It always seemed to me that the Syracuse knowledgeable fan KNEW that Boeheim ran a very loose program. I thought Calhoun (and we can cite a couple examples) saw the line & tried to keep ahead of the latest tricks in recruiting (ie. Rudy Gay); therefore, we got painted with some of the pointy fingers on what SHOULDN'T happen. In contrast, Boeheim just was far too old school in thought & seemingly had no sense of control (and didn't think he had to oversee some of this) over many many aspects of what is the modern construct warranted by today's enforcement by the NCAA. This is everything. Graft and Crime in a stew with significant repeated Academic fraud with a bunch of booster excess to spice it up.

Further, Calhoun REACHED for the single mom kids & often tried to be Father Flanagan. We had some misses there. Boeheim grabbed kids that have proven to just be tough moral choices. And, you get the sex, drugs and slapping.

 

[UConnSwag11]

I am basing my opinion on the reaction on the Reddit general college basketball board, which at the least is a way more intelligent board than the Yard.

lol no they're not, not even close