Super Bowl

[Deepster]

Face it. If you live in the Northeast and you're not a Patriots fan, you sat there 25 years waiting for the Brady/Belichick era to end. Then it did. All the glazing on Maye this year, the "gay for Maye" nonsense, his little monkey faced wife with her baking, the Warriorrrrrs come out to play" stuff. Just regurgitated all the hate and bile back up.

To have it play out like it did is a Pats haters dream. In one day, it went from the beginning of the new dynasty to the schedule really was a fraud, Maye is not elite and was super overwhelmed in big spots all postseason and their #4 pick from last year was a turnstile with the worst game ever from an OL in the playoffs.

 

[superjohn]

Face it. If you live in the Northeast and you're not a Patriots fan, you sat there 25 years waiting for the Brady/Belichick era to end. Then it did. All the glazing on Maye this year, the "gay for Maye" nonsense, his little monkey faced wife with her baking, the Warriorrrrrs come out to play" stuff. Just regurgitated all the hate and bile back up.

To have it play out like it did is a Pats haters dream. In one day, it went from the beginning of the new dynasty to the schedule really was a fraud, Maye is not elite and was super overwhelmed in big spots all postseason and their #4 pick from last year was a turnstile with the worst game ever from an OL in the playoffs.

The Schedule is the perfect nickname for him, I'm hoping that one sticks with him his entire career.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

I was a Patriot fan before the whole Stadium farce. I’ll never root for them until the Kraft family sells the team. Kraft and Karmanos are at the top of my contempt list.

Are we twins separated at birth? I said the same thing about Kraft ownership, but I've been hating them now for so long, not sure I could go back. I also rooted for them as a 2nd team, Steelers being my primary. I go back to Grogan as QB.

 

[HCCForever]

Are we twins separated at birth? I said the same thing about Kraft ownership, but I've been hating them now for so long, not sure I could go back. I also rooted for them as a 2nd team, Steelers being my primary. I go back to Grogan as QB.

Not sure I can either. I started with Grogan, Mack Herron and Sam the Bam.

But I’m in Central Florida now and equidistant to all three teams. I can never root for Miami. I started rooting for the Bucs with Brady and Gronk and stayed for Baker. I hope to catch some Jaguar games when they play in Orlando for 2027 season. But I’m not passionate about either team like I am for UConn and the Sox. Pitchers and catchers report today so on to baseball.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Face it. If you live in the Northeast and you're not a Patriots fan, you sat there 25 years waiting for the Brady/Belichick era to end. Then it did. All the glazing on Maye this year, the "gay for Maye" nonsense, his little monkey faced wife with her baking, the Warriorrrrrs come out to play" stuff. Just regurgitated all the hate and bile back up.

To have it play out like it did is a Pats haters dream. In one day, it went from the beginning of the new dynasty to the schedule really was a fraud, Maye is not elite and was super overwhelmed in big spots all postseason and their #4 pick from last year was a turnstile with the worst game ever from an OL in the playoffs.

You aren’t someone who worries that their words will come back to bite them in the butt someday, are you? lol.

Pats fans have been quiet on here. There hasn’t been a post on the Patriots thread since 12/31. I am curious what @HuskyHawk thinks about Maye and this team now? It’s still amazing the team made the superbowl. They were awful last year. But…have they really turned it around…is there a solid foundation…or was is just a lucky season?

Time will tell.

 

[Deepster]

You aren’t someone who worries that their words will come back to bite them in the butt someday, are you? lol.

Pats fans have been quiet on here. There hasn’t been a post on the Patriots thread since 12/31. I am curious what @HuskyHawk thinks about Maye and this team now? It’s still amazing the team made the superbowl. They were awful last year. But…have they really turned it around…is there a solid foundation…or was is just a lucky season?

Time will tell.

Come back to bite me? How? I’m going to send the Pats to another 6 titles and their fans are going to look down on Jets fans even more? LOL. Sure. Bring it on.

Just for the sake of argument. Maye had a worse postseason offensively than any qb ever. Plenty of QBs who are much better went to only one SB and never went back (Brees, Marino, Rodgers). Will Campbell couldn’t block me at LT so that looks like a horrible pick. And let’s assume Vrabel is a good but not great coach. Now add in they have to still get through Buffalo, Denver, LA Chargers, Houston, Jax, Baltimore and KC. Hmmmm.

 

[HuskyHawk]

You aren’t someone who worries that their words will come back to bite them in the butt someday, are you? lol.

Pats fans have been quiet on here. There hasn’t been a post on the Patriots thread since 12/31. I am curious what @HuskyHawk thinks about Maye and this team now? It’s still amazing the team made the superbowl. They were awful last year. But…have they really turned it around…is there a solid foundation…or was is just a lucky season?

Time will tell.

I am not worried about Maye. There's no young QB I'd rather have as my QB. He'll keep improving. Even in his poor performance in the Super Bowl, under extreme pressure against the best D in the league he had 295 yards passing, 37 rushing and a much better completion percentage than Darnold. Seems clear his shoulder wasn't right. Solid foundation, but a very tough schedule next year, not just because of the change in standings but because they get the NFC North, so Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota and Chicago. No easy games there.

The OL has to be better. Tight End needs an upgrade, Henry faded down the stretch. They need an Edge who can defend wide zone runs and rush the passer (Chaisson is a pass rusher, Jennings good vs run). They need an upgrade and more speed at linebacker. WR is a slight need but most of that can be solved with Tight End play. They need a reliable chain mover.

I think they are a 10-11 game winning team next year. Right now the Chargers and Jags are the most talented teams in the AFC. I think people are going to be surprised that the big name QBs are on bad teams. The Ravens and Bengals have lousy rosters. Buffalo has way more holes to fill than New England does and so do the Chiefs. Houston could be good if you think Stroud can bounce back. Denver scraped by winning close games against a schedule almost as bad as the Patriots', they aren't going to win that many again next year.

 

[Deepster]

I am not worried about Maye. There's no young QB I'd rather have as my QB. He'll keep improving. Even in his poor performance in the Super Bowl, under extreme pressure against the best D in the league he had 295 yards passing, 37 rushing and a much better completion percentage than Darnold. Seems clear his shoulder wasn't right. Solid foundation, but a very tough schedule next year, not just because of the change in standings but because they get the NFC North, so Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota and Chicago. No easy games there.

The OL has to be better. Tight End needs an upgrade, Henry faded down the stretch. They need an Edge who can defend wide zone runs and rush the passer (Chaisson is a pass rusher, Jennings good vs run). They need an upgrade and more speed at linebacker. WR is a slight need but most of that can be solved with Tight End play. They need a reliable chain mover.

I think they are a 10-11 game winning team next year. Right now the Chargers and Jags are the most talented teams in the AFC. I think people are going to be surprised that the big name QBs are on bad teams. The Ravens and Bengals have lousy rosters. Buffalo has way more holes to fill than New England does and so do the Chiefs. Houston could be good if you think Stroud can bounce back. Denver scraped by winning close games against a schedule almost as bad as the Patriots', they aren't going to win that many again next year.

I'm going to disagree with that first statement. Maye is 23 and I'd take the following QB's over him right now (with a cut off of age 25).

Bo Nix: 25
Trevor Lawrence: 25
Brock Purdy: 25
Jayden Daniels: 24
C.J. Stroud: 23
Caleb Williams: 23
Cameron Ward: 23

Put that to 27 and I'd take Herbert, Jordan Love and maybe/probably Jalen Hurts.

And you are REALLY trying to make a silk purse out of a pig's ear taking ANYTHING positive from his SB performance. It was horrific in every aspect.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I'm going to disagree with that first statement. Maye is 23 and I'd take the following QB's over him right now (with a cut off of age 25).

Bo Nix: 25
Trevor Lawrence: 25
Brock Purdy: 25
Jayden Daniels: 24
C.J. Stroud: 23
Caleb Williams: 23
Cameron Ward: 23

Put that to 27 and I'd take Herbert, Jordan Love and maybe/probably Jalen Hurts.

And you are REALLY trying to make a silk purse out of a pig's ear taking ANYTHING positive from his SB performance. It was horrific in every aspect.

Wow. You're crazy.

 

[Deepster]

How do you figure? Which one do you have an issue with? Cam Ward is the only real stretch for me and I'm going off age/ability there. I'll give you that one.

Williams, Lawrence, Purdy and Nix are undeniable.

 

[HuskyHawk]

How do you figure? Which one do you have an issue with? Cam Ward is the only real stretch for me and I'm going off age/ability there. I'll give you that one.

Williams, Lawrence, Purdy and Nix are undeniable.

Maye is light years better than Ward or Nix. He's far ahead of anything Lawrence has shown. Lawrence was considered all but a bust in his 2nd year in the league and this year, his best, was not as good as Maye's despite having elite WR talent and a very good OL. Purdy is reliable but his upside is minimal. This is what he is, ok. Williams is the only one that's close. That's a push for me, but I'd prefer Maye for the Patriots offense. Daniels had a great rookie year, but I think he's RGIII 2.0. He's older and far more fragile.

What is the fascination with Nix? He's a scrappy game manager who is a good scrambler. Not much of an arm, but gets by in Payton's run heavy system. He's similar to Purdy in that regard. High floor, low ceiling players. Certainly good enough on the right team or in the right system.

 

[Deepster]

You have Pats colored glasses on and I certainly don't. Your review of Maye is super generous.

1) Maye is not "light years" ahead of Nix or Ward. Ward has 1 year in on a much worse team and I already qualified that to say, I'm going off potential there. You can't say Maye has higher upside than Purdy but ignore Ward has higher upside than Maye.

2) Lawrence finally got paired with Liam Coen and put together a much better year than Maye and he's 25. I'll argue Lawrence over Maye and die on that hill.

3) I guess I don't understand why or how you think Maye is that much better than Nix? Especially given the clear schedule impact Maye played this year. Maye's no elite passer like a Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers. If anything, he's more Purdy than he is one of those type of guys.

 

[HuskyHawk]

You have Pats colored glasses on and I certainly don't. Your review of Maye is super generous.

1) Maye is not "light years" ahead of Nix or Ward. Ward has 1 year in on a much worse team and I already qualified that to say, I'm going off potential there. You can't say Maye has higher upside than Purdy but ignore Ward has higher upside than Maye.

2) Lawrence finally got paired with Liam Coen and put together a much better year than Maye and he's 25. I'll argue Lawrence over Maye and die on that hill.

3) I guess I don't understand why or how you think Maye is that much better than Nix? Especially given the clear schedule impact Maye played this year. Maye's no elite passer like a Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers. If anything, he's more Purdy than he is one of those type of guys.

How does Ward have more upside than Maye? Ward would have gone below Nix in Maye's draft. His arm strength is worse, his accuracy is much worse, his mobility is much worse. Ward was one of the biggest reaches as #1 overall in recent memory. Ward was not good, but I cut him some slack because his OL was terrible.

Lawrence's year was not close to as good as Maye's, what are you smoking. Maye lost the MVP vote by one vote. His year was incredible.

Nix has a weak arm and his schedule was almost as bad as Maye's and much worse than Maye's in terms of defenses faced. Yet his team barely won most of those games against bad teams because the defense was so good. Plus he had much better protection.

I think you have Jets colored glasses on. Look at the stats. Maye had a higher completion %, more yards, more yards per attempt, a higher QB rating, more TDs and fewer INTs than any of your guys. And that was behind a weak OL and under more pressure than any of them faced. Also had the highest air yards per attempt in the league, he wasn't dumping it off. Led the league in passing success rate. So the guy who threw the ball the deepest on average and also had the highest completion percentage is not as good as dump off artist Bo Nix? He threw for 470 more yards on 120 fewer attempts.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2025/passing.htm

 

[Deepster]

How does Ward have more upside than Maye? Ward would have gone below Nix in Maye's draft. His arm strength is worse, his accuracy is much worse, his mobility is much worse. Ward was one of the biggest reaches as #1 overall in recent memory. Ward was not good, but I cut him some slack because his OL was terrible.

Lawrence's year was not close to as good as Maye's, what are you smoking. Maye lost the MVP vote by one vote. His year was incredible.

Nix has a weak arm and his schedule was almost as bad as Maye's and much worse than Maye's in terms of defenses faced. Yet his team barely won most of those games against bad teams because the defense was so good. Plus he had much better protection.

I think you have Jets colored glasses on. Look at the stats. Maye had a higher completion %, more yards, more yards per attempt, a higher QB rating, more TDs and fewer INTs than any of your guys. And that was behind a weak OL and under more pressure than any of them faced. Also had the highest air yards per attempt in the league, he wasn't dumping it off. Led the league in passing success rate. So the guy who threw the ball the deepest on average and also had the highest completion percentage is not as good as dump off artist Bo Nix? He threw for 470 more yards on 120 fewer attempts.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2025/passing.htm

I don't care about MVP votes. And I wonder how many people who voted for Maye would vote for him again if the postseason counted and they saw him against real competition. And on that note, every stat you want to point out for Maye over Nix can be attributed to the weak schedule. He played 10 coaches that were fired....plus 2 games against the Jets (and in those 2 games, he threw for 640 yds, 6 TDs and 0 Ints).

The bigger picture is the bloom was taken off Maye's rose the last month. He was flat out awful. His postseason stats were worse than the offensive production for the 0-16 Cleveland Browns. We'll see what he does against real teams next year. He's not called "The Schedule" by accident.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I don't care about MVP votes. And I wonder how many people who voted for Maye would vote for him again if the postseason counted and they saw him against real competition. And on that note, every stat you want to point out for Maye over Nix can be attributed to the weak schedule. He played 10 coaches that were fired....plus 2 games against the Jets (and in those 2 games, he threw for 640 yds, 6 TDs and 0 Ints).

The bigger picture is the bloom was taken off Maye's rose the last month. He was flat out awful. His postseason stats were worse than the offensive production for the 0-16 Cleveland Browns. We'll see what he does against real teams next year. He's not called "The Schedule" by accident.

This is just wishful thinking from a Jets fan. The Broncos had the second easiest schedule and scored far fewer points against it. None of Maye's stats came from playing that schedule, except maybe that they blew several teams out so that he was taken out of games and didn't get a chance to pad those stats. The defenses the Patriots faced were about the 17th toughest if I recall, and in the playoffs no QB in history has faced four tougher defenses.

 

[Deepster]

This is just wishful thinking from a Jets fan. The Broncos had the second easiest schedule and scored far fewer points against it. None of Maye's stats came from playing that schedule, except maybe that they blew several teams out so that he was taken out of games and didn't get a chance to pad those stats. The defenses the Patriots faced were about the 17th toughest if I recall, and in the playoffs no QB in history has faced four tougher defenses.

Yeah, I'm not going to say there's some wishful thinking there. We've also been through the Mac Jones glazing and (insert the list of excuses here) he's a backup in SF. Not saying that's Maye's fate, but the postseason and bright lights on him certainly didn't do any favors.