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OT: Stupid Bills kicking into end zone

That careless lack of coaching cost the Bills the game. So, they have the lead, up 3, with 13 seconds to go, kicking off. They kick it long so Chiefs get the ball on their 25 with 13 seconds to go, two plays later they are within field goal range. Had the Bills kicked the ball to the 20 or 15 yard line, Chiefs would have had to field it and run it back, and that would have taken 4-5 seconds. Chances are the Chiefs would be starting around their 25-30 yard line with 8 seconds to go. They got 2 set up plays for the tying field goal when they had all 13 seconds, with 8 they'd only have one set up play. No way the Chiefs would have gotten within field goal range from their 30 with just one play to use. Although both defenses were gassed at that point.
Bad coaching for the Bills in hindsight. Agree with the announcers that they should have been rushing just 3 players and had extra pass defender as Holmes didn't have time to run around like usual and had to make passes quickly.
 
Lol has any team ever moved a ball like that in 13 seconds ever?maybe just don’t give up 50 yard in 7 seconds and you win. The bills are never going to win a super bowl after that. That was the worst choke jn NFL history. Period.
 
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Conndog said:
That careless lack of coaching cost the Bills the game. So, they have the lead, up 3, with 13 seconds to go, kicking off. They kick it long so Chiefs get the ball on their 25 with 13 seconds to go, two plays later they are within field goal range. Had the Bills kicked the ball to the 20 or 15 yard line, Chiefs would have had to field it and run it back, and that would have taken 4-5 seconds. Chances are the Chiefs would be starting around their 25-30 yard line with 8 seconds to go. They got 2 set up plays for the tying field goal when they had all 13 seconds, with 8 they'd only have one set up play. No way the Chiefs would have gotten within field goal range from their 30 with just one play to use. Although both defenses were gassed at that point.
Bad coaching for the Bills in hindsight. Agree with the announcers that they should have been rushing just 3 players and had extra pass defender as Holmes didn't have time to run around like usual and had to make passes quickly.
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I don't disagree really, they should have done it because who knows what happens. But in all likelihood the Chiefs are just falling on the ball wherever it lands to save the clock and it plays out very similarly, maybe with a slightly longer FG
 
Belichek has told his kickers in the past to kick a high ball where the guy catches it around the 10 or 15 It’s not rocket science. It’s all the kickers do is practice their craft.
If the chiefs wanted to down it at the 10 or 15 go ahead
 
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Condolences marbles. You deserved an incredible win. Josh Allen is incredible.
Now I know why Shurmer wanted Gettleman to take Allen instead of Barkley.
Whoops….nice job Dave
 
I don't understand the rule- if the ball is kicked and is in the field say 15 yard line, the Chiefs can grab the ball and just kneel on the ground to end the play? Is this because it is a kick-off? I thought they'd have to at least go out of bounds to stop the clock or run until tackled and call time out.
 
It was a basketball game. And the last team with the ball won this time. I don’t blame coaching. Mahomes is a $400M man for a reason
 
Crazy insane game. Hate the overtime rule tho. Allen shud of had a chance to answer. Just because of a coin flip kc gets ball and tons of momentum? A coin flip ? Everyone knew whoever got kickoff was winning that game. I mean, I get it for the regular season doing it that way -but for the playoffs ? come on, really not going to give the opposing QB a chance to answer?? Billls shud of never been in that spot to begin with tho. I’m a Green Bay fan so I’m still numb from last nights loss. Instead of Brady vs Rodgers we get jimmy g vs stafford. Yawn. Rams will win that one 23-6 and kc will crush cincy 41-22.
 
Conndog said:
I don't understand the rule- if the ball is kicked and is in the field say 15 yard line, the Chiefs can grab the ball and just kneel on the ground to end the play? Is this because it is a kick-off? I thought they'd have to at least go out of bounds to stop the clock or run until tackled and call time out.
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Correct, same way a receiver can give himself up after a catch and doesn't need to be tackled/touched
 
it's amazing how such a small decision can lead to such unbelievable consequences
 
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Hoping for an I-70 Bowl between the St. Louis now LA Rams and the Chiefs!
 
jayteeman said:
What the heck were they thinking?
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Bucs kicker Pinion had two kickoffs go OB trying to kick away from the return guy.

KC had to go at least 40 yards in two plays in 12 seconds or less. I'd like my team's chances even against Brady.
 
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Was Tyreke Hill back there? If so, it makes a little more sense
 
I'm more upset (Diehard Bills fan since birth) about the lack of protecting Kelce running up the middle of the field wide open for 25 yards when they only have 1 play left. If they keep those 2 plays to 15 yards or so, they aren't there. Instead they give up 20 and 25 or whatever it was in 2 straight plays.

Either way, I don't care what anyone says, Josh Allen is an absolute stud and an amazing rep for our city. I'm happy he's my QB, I'll take him over anyone.

If they win, as they should have, the story is him. He was UNREAL this playoffs and has been almost unstoppable for 2 straight years.
 
Mahomes had a look of no fear, no panic and certainly a victorious one on that last drive. He (i.e. KC offense) deserves all the credit. He probably would have executed a FG drive from his one yard line. He has the weapons to do it.

Just saying not many QBs could have pulled that off.

Brady exits, Mahomes enters. Sports/Athletes are amazing and watching greatness evolve before our eyes is even more amazing!
 
Conndog said:
Keep it in play and have KC waste a few seconds on return, instead of giving them entire 13 seconds
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Have you ever seen Hardman return kicks? He ran a 4.22 recently in a race against other NFL guys. I commented that they had to do that, would normally squib kick, because he is just so dangerous as a return man. Can break one anytime.
 
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navery12 said:
Correct, same way a receiver can give himself up after a catch and doesn't need to be tackled/touched
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I think @Conndog is asking about the clock-stopping aspect of it, not the downing aspect. In other words, I understood his or her question to be, "Does the clock automatically stop after a kickoff play no matter what?"

The answer to that is yes.
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storrsroars said:
Bucs kicker Pinion had two kickoffs go OB trying to kick away from the return guy.

KC had to go at least 40 yards in two plays in 12 seconds or less. I'd like my team's chances even against Brady.
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I like my chances better forcing KC to a returnable kick and chewing seconds off. On a kickoff you have all of your best tacklers focused on the one.....where guarding the receivers on that extra play is a crap shoot as it played out.....especially with the number of solutions KC has.
My guess as mentioned was they would catch the kick and take a knee which itself would have taken off at least 2-3 seconds perhaps.....but at the least it might have been to the 5 yard line.
These professional kickers should have a variety of solutions for any request in their catalogue.
 
Austin316 said:
Option 1: Touchback. 13 seconds left. Ball on 25.

Option 2: squib away from Hill. Kneel. 13 seconds left. Ball on 30-40 yard line.

Didn’t make a difference.
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You don't squib is to the 30-40.

Let's break it down looking at the replay. KC had:
  • 5 guys around midfield
  • 3 guys at the 40
  • 2 guys at the 20
  • 1 guy on the goal line

The play would have been to squib it over the guys at the 40 and split the guys at the 20 so it bounces and the return man has to come up and field it around the 10-15 yard line.

The coverage team is farther back than usual, so let's say the returner is able to bring it out to the 30-35 yard line, but it takes him 4-5 seconds to do that, and unless he's smart enough to declare himself down at the first sign of trouble, you could even string it out to 6-7 seconds if it takes a while to stop forward progress and bring him down, or even longer if he tries to get tricky and cut back across the field.

There are a lot of ways the return man can screw it up!

Most likely, he's tackled at the 30-35 yard line at :08. Then KC is in a bind. They can run the quick-hitter to Hill over the middle to get to around midfield at :04. Then what? Either another quick-hitter to try to get another 8-10 yards and hope they play is over before :00 or the Hail Mary.

The improved likelihood of winning in that scenario is worth the small risk that the returner breaks one.

Edit: there's also a chance the returner panics and gives himself up immediately at the 10-15 yard line. This keeps the same amount of time on the clock for Mahomes (yes, you can "give yourself up" and the play just ends immediately without time coming off, kind of like a fair catch) but is also, of course, preferable to them getting it at the 25.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
You don't squib is to the 30-40.

Let's break it down looking at the replay. KC had:
  • 5 guys around midfield
  • 3 guys at the 40
  • 2 guys at the 20
  • 1 guy on the goal line

The play would have been to squib it over the guys at the 40 and split the guys at the 20 so it bounces and the return man has to come up and field it around the 10-15 yard line.

The coverage team is farther back than usual, so let's say the returner is able to bring it out to the 30-35 yard line, but it takes him 4-5 seconds to do that, and unless he's smart enough to declare himself down at the first sign of trouble, you could even string it out to 6-7 seconds if it takes a while to stop forward progress and bring him down, or even longer if he tries to get tricky and cut back across the field.

There are a lot of ways the return man can screw it up!

Most likely, he's tackled at the 30-35 yard line at :08. Then KC is in a bind. They can run the quick-hitter to Hill over the middle to get to around midfield at :04. Then what? Either another quick-hitter to try to get another 8-10 yards and hope they play is over before :00 or the Hail Mary.

The improved likelihood of winning in that scenario is worth the small risk that the returner breaks one.
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No offense dude but I really don’t care. I’m just being casual in my post.
 
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