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Student Game Attendance – Root Cause Problem Solving

JohnFSilver said:
God forbid peole have fun, especially young people .
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JohnFSilver said:

For those who think I am joking about the rent being a hassle…check out the rules. No charcoal, not frisbee football, no universal source, no drinking games.
This is for legal adults.
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Essentially same rules since Day 1 and not unlike other similar venues.

Football Gameday: Tailgating

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  • Tailgating is not allowed during the game in any campus lot or green space unless approved by the University
  • Tailgating and alcohol are NOT permitted in the central part of campus unless approved by the University
  • Excessive amounts of alcohol
  • Amplified Sound – Speakers that stand alone, are excessively loud or are connected to an amplifier
  • Live bands or DJs are also not permitted
  • Golf carts, and other custom motorized vehicles are not permitted on the Notre Dame campus unless authorized by Notre Dame Police Department.
  • Charcoal grills, fire pits, open flames, and propane heaters are prohibited
  • Deep-frying (i.e. turkeys) is prohibited in tailgating lots
  • Drones are not permitted to fly on campus without University and FAA approval
  • Kegs
  • Open flames, including fire pits
  • Propane cylinders larger than 20 lbs
  • Tent stakes
  • Safety and security rules will be strictly enforced and violators may be removed for failing to comply.
  • Future ticket privileges may be revoked for violations on the prohibited items
  • Tents, tables, chairs, and other items cannot protrude into the driving lanes past the hash marks
  • Large parties are not permitted on campus, including the parking lots
  • Drinking games are not permitted anywhere on campus
  • Weapons are not permitted anywhere on campus
… and hell, ND Stadium is on-campus and not on state property.

Geez John - Are you this miserable in real life or just for our benefit?
 
Kembafan said:
Tailgate area for students: burgers, kegs, very loose id-checking policy. Problem solved.
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That reminds me of what the parking lot (what is now Lot L) used to look like after spring weekend with glass shards all over the place...hated driving my car through there looking for a parking spot.
 
huskymedic said:
Essentially same rules since Day 1 and not unlike other similar venues.

Football Gameday: Tailgating

The Official Athletic Site of The Fighting Irish. The official source for information on UND Ticketing. Powered by WMT Digital.
fightingirish.com fightingirish.com
  • Tailgating is not allowed during the game in any campus lot or green space unless approved by the University
  • Tailgating and alcohol are NOT permitted in the central part of campus unless approved by the University
  • Excessive amounts of alcohol
  • Amplified Sound – Speakers that stand alone, are excessively loud or are connected to an amplifier
  • Live bands or DJs are also not permitted
  • Golf carts, and other custom motorized vehicles are not permitted on the Notre Dame campus unless authorized by Notre Dame Police Department.
  • Charcoal grills, fire pits, open flames, and propane heaters are prohibited
  • Deep-frying (i.e. turkeys) is prohibited in tailgating lots
  • Drones are not permitted to fly on campus without University and FAA approval
  • Kegs
  • Open flames, including fire pits
  • Propane cylinders larger than 20 lbs
  • Tent stakes
  • Safety and security rules will be strictly enforced and violators may be removed for failing to comply.
  • Future ticket privileges may be revoked for violations on the prohibited items
  • Tents, tables, chairs, and other items cannot protrude into the driving lanes past the hash marks
  • Large parties are not permitted on campus, including the parking lots
  • Drinking games are not permitted anywhere on campus
  • Weapons are not permitted anywhere on campus
… and hell, ND Stadium is on-campus and not on state property.

Geez John - Are you this miserable in real life or just for our benefit?
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lol.

Just the opposite. I’ve been to ND tailgate on campus. It’s a blast.

I just am down on the man. I get the no charcoal because of grass and people stepping on it, they quite aggressively enforce these rules however.

Maybe it is all the cones I don’t like. I am
Headed tomorrow and will have a blast. I wish it was a little more chill, however.
 
JohnFSilver said:

For those who think I am joking about the rent being a hassle…check out the rules. No charcoal, not frisbee football, no universal source, no drinking games.
This is for legal adults.
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You bar frisbee football so that idiots don’t run into people holding food and drinks or even worse grills. One person’s having fun is another person’s ruined day. And I’ve had my grill hit by a football on a dry day where if it went over we would have had a brushfire.
 
hardcorehusky said:
If it comes to atmosphere and attendance, there needs to be an in game experience that combines football, cell phones, choreographed fan involvement, and ultimately something UConn unique.

1. Winning fixes all ills.

2. I suggest developing a Rentschler Field app(after the wifi in the stadium is approved). The app would have information on pre game, post game activites. In game, it would allow the fan to have different camera angles of plays, out of town scores (so people stay on the app and not toggle out of it), Words to UConn fight song and when it will be played, Tell fans when and where to start chants or the wave, etc. It will keep people engaged through those 2:32 second TV timeouts as well as create atmosphere.

3. Virginia Tech has Enter the Sandman, Clemson has the rock and entrance. We have the ringing of the bell(cord broke at first game) and now the cheerleaders don't even do pushups anymore. I suggest putting up a poll for UConn fandom about what our new tradition is. Something the fans can get riled up about. Something that will get them in their seats more than 20 seconds before kickoff.

I have been at the Rent since that Indiana game (my son just asked me why I have a 44 jersey and showed him Terry Caulley's run). The new fan needs to be taught and have fun in today's reality. The technology is there, we just need to build it!!
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I agree that the biggest fix is winning, with a close second being playing an entertaining brand of football. Under RE2.0 the program did neither. It killed a lot of enthusiasm for a program that was already struggling with its identity due to conference realignment.

What I don't agree with is voting on or forcing new traditions. Just try a bunch of different things. If something truly resonates with the fans, keep doing it. Most beloved traditions come about organically.
 
businesslawyer said:
You bar frisbee football so that idiots don’t run into people holding food and drinks or even worse grills. One person’s having fun is another person’s ruined day. And I’ve had my grill hit by a football on a dry day where if it went over we would have had a brushfire.
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@BizLaw: “Honey - can you come pick me up?

No, I’m not drunk - some guy was throwing a football and…”

Grill left under vehicle blamed for blaze destroying 11 vehicles ...
 
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huskymedic said:
@BizLaw: “Honey - can you come pick me up?

No, I’m not drunk - some guy was throwing a football and…”

Grill left under vehicle blamed for blaze destroying 11 vehicles ...
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LOL. Only grill fire I ever had was a grease fire at Senior Day against Cincy during one of the P years. Was I the only person who didn’t know you had to clean grease from a propane grill every ten years or so?
 
businesslawyer said:
LOL. Only grill fire I ever had was a grease fire at Senior Day against Cincy during one of the P years. Was I the only person who didn’t know you had to clean grease from a propane grill every ten years or so?
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Learned that the hard way too.
 
I can’t tell you how good I’m going to feel driving to the Rent today (my wife is joining me for a tailgate with another couple, even though she won’t go to the game) to explain to her that I’m not the only person in the world stupid enough not to have known that you had to clean portable grills every so often.

I just hope the game works out better for me than that conversation will.
 
BlueWhiteKid said:
There was a student lot pre-covid. Thousands if students came to tailgate, but went back to campus when the game started.

The issue is the students don't care about the football team. We've had a lot of losses the pass 10 years, and none of these students grew up with us winning, so there is no connection or loyalty to the team. People don't like to emotionally invest in the things/people if they think they are going to get hurt. So for years students have decided not to get emotionally invested because they thought we weren't good. It is going to take more than 3 wins to get them excited about UConn football. Add to that shorter attention spans due to cell phones, and most of the students who do show up don't stay past halftime. The transportation is just an excuse for the fact that at this point, they just don't care about the team. We need to keep winning, and eventually they'll hop and the bandwagon.
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^^^^this. Dale nails it. If there were good teams coming in, we haven’t been as bad as we’ve been for as long the kids would show up. It’s not that far a ride. But the football team has been a punchline for years and owned spots in bottom 10. It’s gonna take winning and consistency to gain back trust that was lost after a decade of misery.
 
Even when UConn was winning back in the old Big East days it was hard to get a lot of students to the game - many went for the tailgate and left. Others went to the game, only to leave shortly after.

Nobody took the bus. Every student hitched a ride with someone.

It does not help that we do not have any true rivalries or conference affiliation. Add that in with the fact that program was abysmal for so long and you get why student attendance has been lacking.

Keep winning, schedule good opponents and the students will follow.
 
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businesslawyer said:
I can’t tell you how good I’m going to feel driving to the Rent today (my wife is joining me for a tailgate with another couple, even though she won’t go to the game) to explain to her that I’m not the only person in the world stupid enough not to have known that you had to clean portable grills every so often.

I just hope the game works out better for me than that conversation will.
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Welp… it’s either you or a kindred soul!

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scotty0330 said:
^^^^this. Dale nails it. If there were good teams coming in, we haven’t been as bad as we’ve been for as long the kids would show up. It’s not that far a ride. But the football team has been a punchline for years and owned spots in bottom 10. It’s gonna take winning and consistency to gain back trust that was lost after a decade of misery.
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cultures turn around real fast and covid disrupted a lot of cultures
 
Deepster said:
I think you're being myopic. The students make the environment better. Not the paying 50 year olds.
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Winning makes the environment better.
Money makes winning easier.
Students, like everyone else, will show for a winner.


However, if they charge Students for the student lot, that's stupid.
 
CTBasketball said:
We drew our best crowds from 2002 to 2010, with a record of 59-40 (.597), including a stretch of 4 seasons with 8+ wins and 4 straight bowl game trips. Even in down years (2005, 2006) attendance was selling out for conference games. I remember students sticking around for these well into the 4Q. The games mattered and the team was good.

Moving the games on campus won’t get anyone to the stadium if we’re a .500 team or below. As others have pointed out in this thread, schools have attendance problems around the country. A lot of them just so happen to have losing teams too.

We cared, we won, and the students cared and stayed.
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Also smartphones, social media were nowhere to be found. People back then needed things to do for entertainment, now how many people just sit around typing away on their phones without going anywhere. Please note I am aware of the irony as I type away on my phone whilst also ignoring my family...
 
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EdgewoodNHV said:
Root Cause Analysis requires all of the stakeholders to be present. In order to really drill down to a Root Cause, we need to actually talk to the students and see what it would take to get them there. Everything else is speculation.
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The committee could do Venn Diagrams and put kids on yellow school buses.
 
businesslawyer said:
The vast majority of students who got themselves to the game left at halftime of a game with UConn up two. Maybe — just maybe — it’s time to quit blaming others for the fact that the student body just doesn’t give a damn.
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THIS.

I couldn't believe my eyes. About 3/4 of the student section was full, and then after we came back from halftime, there were maybe 10% of the students remaining. I can't wrap my head around it. They made the effort to come and see half the game, but not the outcome???

I must be out of touch, but screw them because they missed an ending that they would have cherished for a long while...
 
Against Merrimack and and FAU the student section was packed at kickoff and emptied out at halftime. Against Buffalo it looked barely halfway full early on and also emptied out at halftime. Yesterday it was 70%-75% early and emptied out significantly by halftime but more remained in the second half than the other three games combined (still not a lot).

The additional students remaining (far too few) was obviously due to the game being close but I believe a large part of this is due to the lack of success for far too long. The students who kept the student section packed in 2010 until the end of the Pitt game and through overtime against WVU only knew bowl teams through their college career. We will need to give it a few years to get the students fully back.

And for the record, there were quite a few mon students (adults of all ages) who left at halftime or some later point well before the game was decided so I can't blast the students without including those adults.
 
I used to ask people who were leaving early if their babysitter was going to be getting overtime pay if they stayed till the end of the game. Loved the looks I would get.
 
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JohnFSilver said:
Venue cant provide alcohol. But I can, and their friends.

The dance we do around alcohol in this country is ridiculous. Maybe you have to be 21 to buy and go to a bar, but 19 to be in possession. Who knows.

I dont know answer. Sociologically, we encourage binge drinking with our laws.
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Over here the drinking age for beer and wine is 16, and hard liquor is 18. And the age for getting a drivers license is generally 18 (with some exceptions). I think that is the better way because drinking isn't romanticized or mysterious and they get the respect for drinking before they get the drivers license.
 
Kembafan said:
Tailgate area for students: burgers, kegs, very loose id-checking policy. Problem solved.
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I went to a Yale vs Harvard game with a Yale family several years ago.

And Yale did all of those things. Big tents, free burgers and dogs, free beer, soda, water...

Interesting take
 
UConnDan97 said:
THIS.

I couldn't believe my eyes. About 3/4 of the student section was full, and then after we came back from halftime, there were maybe 10% of the students remaining. I can't wrap my head around it. They made the effort to come and see half the game, but not the outcome???

I must be out of touch, but screw them because they missed an ending that they would have cherished for a long while...
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And the players certainly notice. Jordan Wright mentioned the student section during his interview with Ava (I think that's her name). The game was a four-hour slog but I would hope most students could remain till the end of the game.
 
Offer tickets to the bowl game and travel expenses at the end of game for student section..Call out their name...Must be their to win....If not there no prize. "old guy" says do something to keep their interest in staying till the end.....
 
My 2 cents since, as a die hard who sometimes brings a +5 to FB games. Besides the students who I watch from up in the club seats rush like lemmings once a group starts out. I notice the numbers of fans in general who can't stay to the end of exciting game, like last week, being an overall issue.( Hell I'd bet way less than half where there at the end) I'd say going back for a free halftime tailgate (food, booze, etc.) despite the no-rentry is a factor for alot of these people and experienced it personally. ( hanging out since halftime in the lots)

I don't get it because I'm just there for the games but noticed it with casual fans, being more about the party and the cheaper option isn't inside the Rent. ( Something we never see with other Uconn sports, without tailgates)
 
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