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She's on track to be mentioned among those two, but we won't be able to evaluate in earnest until 2 years from now.

If she wins 3 POY awards, 4 championships, and is the undisputed leader of the team for 2 of them, she may even achieve her own level.
 
I don't think any of us forget her, it's just that Charles is in the level right below the Moore/DT level. The Bird/Charles/Abrosimova level. Superstar, but not quite GOAT level.

OK, so what I didn't finish saying, is that Maya and her team lost in the final four in 2011 (without Charles). Dee won three consecutive championships, taking her team on her back, showing great leadership and inspiration. (This is to the argument that I believe Diana is better than Maya in this respect - sometimes with these greats, it's similar to comparing apples and oranges).

So Breanna has three more years to go, three unknowns. I guess that means that I am leaning to the side that she is great, yes, but we have three more years. Let's wait until they are over before assigning accolades...and enjoy what we have, while we wait.

But Maya did not win a NCAA championship without Tina
 
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She's not Maya, and certainly not Diana. At least not yet. Memories tend to be biased towards the present. Go on youtube and watch Maya and Diana and you'll have your answer.
Totally correct!
Very few people know that Otto Graham was the greatest QB of all time, no one ever even came close.
 
OK, so what I didn't finish saying, is that Maya and her team lost in the final four in 2011 (without Charles). Dee won three consecutive championships, taking her team on her back, showing great leadership and inspiration. (This is to the argument that I believe Diana is better than Maya in this respect - sometimes with these greats, it's similar to comparing apples and oranges).

So Breanna has three more years to go, three unknowns. I guess that means that I am leaning to the side that she is great, yes, but we have three more years. Let's wait until they are over before assigning accolades...and enjoy what we have, while we wait.

But Maya did win a NCAA championship without Tina
I agree there is always an argument for Moore or DT. And there are plenty of people in each camp. And both camps can make good arguments. The thing is now, or rather in 2016 (providing no major injuries), the argument will change to Moore/DT/Stewart.
 
I'm in the let's wait and see crowd, but I would not take odds against her. Geno has said that unlike last year, when she was resistant to coaching, she is like a sponge in accepting coaching this year. She currently has one advantage on DT and Maya: there is no one in the starting 5 that the opponent can sag off of with little risk. For this year at least she is also blessed with a center who is a supreme passer and Stef and Stewie have the old hi-low working like a Georgia mule on a cool day. What DT accomplished in her senior year, playing with a touchy back for much of the second half, was monumental. End of the day I would keep all three in the same sentence if it all plays out as we hope.
 
To all of the comments, can't wait until Rio to have the chance to see DT, Maya, EDD, and Stewie , on the floor at the same time, with either BG or Tina. Those Olympics might be the beginning of greatness for the women's game, like the Men's Dream Team in 1992.
 
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if she stays healthy, i think where she will have an edge over maya and diana is at the defensive end , and on the boards. in the end she may remind of bill russell in those areas. she can already score in as many ways, if not more, than anybody uconn has had. also, in watching her a few times last night i was amazed at how quickly she can get up and down the floor. i think she's a bit more athletic than people give her credit for.
She's freakishly athletic! There are times my mouth drops open watching what she can do.
 
Totally correct!
Very few people know that Otto Graham was the greatest QB of all time, no one ever even came close.

We, I don’t know about that, but he was good enough to keep George Ratterman sitting on the bench. Here is what George looked like...

 
She will be the best of all time in the end. So far she has a mediocre freshman season under her belt and a stellar sophomore season done. Her career arc will be meteoric.
I would qualify the "mediocre freshman season" a bit because she had the best first ten games of any freshman in UConn history and on the other end, she had close to the best post season tournaments in freshman history with two MVP's. That suggests calling it something other than mediocre. It was definitely a little Jekyll & Hyde but after a largely mediocre mid and later season, she obviously turned the corner in time to help UConn to their 8th title.
 
AND, I think Dolson is an integral teammate to Stewart. Dolson is a great passer, and takes a lot of pressure off Stewart. Please give SD her due...
I am surely one of Dolson's biggest fans here and have often talked of what it's going to be like without her contributions next year. We'll still obviously have a great amount of talent but she surely makes life so much easier for everyone with her exceptional defense and her wonderful offensive skills both as a scorer and maybe even more, as a facilitator. Beyond being the ultimate "big girl" passer, her abilities to go left or right when in the post, shooting with either hand and also to be able to knock down 15 to 20 foot shots regularly puts so much pressure on our opponents. Meanwhile the other girls are free to make cuts and work to get free, knowing that if they are successful, there's a strong likelihood that a Dolson pass will be waiting for them. I'm glad there are others like yourself who realize how very special she is.
 
She's on track to be mentioned among those two, but we won't be able to evaluate in earnest until 2 years from now.

Baloney. We don't need to wait 2 years to "evaluate in earnest". She's great and in the Top 3 now, today. She just killed the #3 team on the road in front of 22,000 fans. And it's not like her team was making their shots. She was dominant on D and on the glass. When the O stalled she posted up and put the game out of reach. What about that steal to start the 2nd half? Less than 10 seconds in and she blew up the Cards 2nd game plan. I think some of you guys are taking her for granted. You're just talking about compiling stats with that "wait 2 years" stuff. As far as on-court play, DT and MM had nothing on Stewie.
 
OK, so what I didn't finish saying, is that Maya and her team lost in the final four in 2011 (without Charles). Dee won three consecutive championships, taking her team on her back, showing great leadership and inspiration. (This is to the argument that I believe Diana is better than Maya in this respect - sometimes with these greats, it's similar to comparing apples and oranges).

So Breanna has three more years to go, three unknowns. I guess that means that I am leaning to the side that she is great, yes, but we have three more years. Let's wait until they are over before assigning accolades...and enjoy what we have, while we wait.

But Maya did win a NCAA championship without Tina
I want to argue that Maya played and lost her senior year against a superlatively coached and talented Notre Dame team and that she played magnificently while her team never seemed to leave the starting gate. The teams that Dee won with in her last two years played against teams in my mind that weren't nearly as talented or as well coached. Beyond that, her teammates gave a lot more on the court than did the Huskies in that semi-final loss of Maya's last year. Basketball is surely not a one person sport but I don't have any recollection of anyone carrying the team as much as Maya did in the comeback win against Stanford where UConn (with Charles) only scored 12 points in the first half. Maya was the inspiration that brought them back and finished off their unbeaten season. There's no way you are ever going to convince me that Dee would have made any difference in that loss to Notre Dame that denied Maya a third championship and I can unequivocally say that Maya in her freshman year played far better in the NCAA tournament loss to Stanford than did Dee in her freshman loss to Notre Dame. She had a horrific night of shooting where she took UConn out of any chance to win the game. She missed shot after shot after shot and buried any hopes of them beating the Irish after having had a big halftime lead. Sometimes the "myth" of Dianne seems to be perpetuated here.
 
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Baloney. We don't need to wait 2 years to "evaluate in earnest". She's great and in the Top 3 now, today. She just killed the #3 team on the road in front of 22,000 fans. And it's not like her team was making their shots. She was dominant on D and on the glass. When the O stalled she posted up and put the game out of reach. What about that steal to start the 2nd half? Less than 10 seconds in and she blew up the Cards 2nd game plan. I think some of you guys are taking her for granted. You're just talking about compiling stats with that "wait 2 years" stuff. As far as on-court play, DT and MM had nothing on Stewie.
I agree wholeheartedly. It's like a starving artist can't get any recognition until he or she is dead? She has already done enough to create a legacy. We aren't sure how much greater it'll be but it's a hell of a start, isn't it.
 
I want to argue that Maya played and lost her senior year against a superlatively coached and talented Notre Dame team and that she played magnificently while her team never seemed to leave the starting gate. The teams that Dee won with in her last two years played against teams in my mind that weren't nearly as talented or as well coached. Beyond that, her teammates gave a lot more on the court than did the Huskies in that semi-final loss of Maya's last year. Basketball is surely not a one person sport but I don't have any recollection of anyone carrying the team as much as Maya did in the comeback win against Stanford where UConn (with Charles) only scored 12 points in the first half. Maya was the inspiration that brought them back and finished off their unbeaten season. 1. There's no way you are ever going to convince me that Dee would have made any difference in that loss to Notre Dame that denied Maya a third championship and I can unequivocally say that Maya in her freshman year played far better in the NCAA tournament loss to Stanford than did Dee in her freshman loss to Notre Dame. 2. She had a horrific night of shooting where she took UConn out of any chance to win the game. She missed shot after shot after shot and buried any hopes of them beating the Irish after having had a big halftime lead. 3. Sometimes the "myth" of Dianne seems to be perpetuated here.


1. well, sir, we will never know
2. A shooter shoots. Period. Had the shots fallen, we would not be having this discussion. Plus, I think that there was more going on at that game.
3. There is no "Myth of 'Dianne'" There is Diana, she is UConn, and we are UConn. And there is no myth. She is a great player. As such, we must agree to disagree here.
 
Totally correct!
Very few people know that Otto Graham was the greatest QB of all time, no one ever even came close.

Really ? He did have a great playoff record (9-3) but lifetime stats of under 200 yards a game. 55% completion rate and an interception rate if 5.1% (one out of every 20 attempts intercepted) doesn't quite make him the greatest of all time with a "no one ever even came close". That is about the same as saying that Johnny Weissmuller was the greatest swimmer of ever.
 
Does Stewie belong in the conversation with Diana and Maya?
Yes. Not taking anything away from each player's supporting cast, but the individual skills of Stewart can not be ignored. One distinction is this: while DT and MM where difference makers on offense, BS can win you the game by dominating on the defensive end as well as going off on the offensive end.

Having said that, there is no need to bring up such a conversation, as all the players are special in their own way. Just enjoy.
 
1. well, sir, we will never know
2. A shooter shoots. Period. Had the shots fallen, we would not be having this discussion. Plus, I think that there was more going on at that game.
3. There is no "Myth of 'Dianne'" There is Diana, she is UConn, and we are UConn. And there is no myth. She is a great player. As such, we must agree to disagree here.
I hope you know that Diana is in the conversation but it seems that seem people want to anoint her as clearly better than Maya based solely on national championships. I don't think that's accurate in any way because I don't think there's anyone in UConn history whose done more to potentially win four national titles than Ms. Moore. Diana was (and is) great as is Maya and it's possible that Stewie will surpass them in national titles (I sure hope so). Diana was more of a peacock and strutted and carried on, displaying her personality on the court, which may be why some feel she may have had more of a will to win than did Maya but I don't think anyone who played with Maya will ever contest her will and determination even if it wasn't characterized by displays that were as obvious. Both winners with immense talents. I guess we can just leave it at that. Go Huskies!
 
Baloney. We don't need to wait 2 years to "evaluate in earnest". She's great and in the Top 3 now, today. She just killed the #3 team on the road in front of 22,000 fans. And it's not like her team was making their shots. She was dominant on D and on the glass. When the O stalled she posted up and put the game out of reach. What about that steal to start the 2nd half? Less than 10 seconds in and she blew up the Cards 2nd game plan. I think some of you guys are taking her for granted. You're just talking about compiling stats with that "wait 2 years" stuff. As far as on-court play, DT and MM had nothing on Stewie.

Then we're talking about two different things. You're talking about instantaneous on-court ability. I'm talking about legacy.

I need to see Stewie's entire UConn career before evaluating her legacy. If anything, I'm not taking anything for granted.
 
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As I said in TonyC's thread and applies here.

It is certainly Breanna's path and trajectoryto be counted among the greatest and maybe the greatest but I think it is always a fool's errand to proclaim people the best or the greatest prematurely. None of us could have anticipated the realities of Bria season with the sprained ankle last year nor did we expect the problems besetting KML this year. A simple injury or two can chamge everything. How many made 3s will be lost to KML's career with the events of this year.

Once upon a time it was a foregone conclusion for many the Tiger would break Jack's record for majors now it looks a lot less likely.

Breanna has not even won her second national championship yet. Let's let her play and just enjoy the ride without unnecessary labels that cannot be fulfilled so early in a career.

There is all the promise in the world but fulfillment only comes with every game and every season that is completed.

This.

I'm gonna enjoy the heck out of the next five weeks and two years and at the end of it, hopefully be looking back on a historic run greater than anything we've ever seen. That, my friends, is when we can talk legacy and GOAT.
 
I hope you know that Diana is in the conversation but it seems that seem people want to anoint her as clearly better than Maya based solely on national championships. I don't think that's accurate in any way because I don't think there's anyone in UConn history whose done more to potentially win four national titles than Ms. Moore. Diana was (and is) great as is Maya and it's possible that Stewie will surpass them in national titles (I sure hope so). Diana was more of a peacock and strutted and carried on, displaying her personality on the court, which may be why some feel she may have had more of a will to win than did Maya but I don't think anyone who played with Maya will ever contest her will and determination even if it wasn't characterized by displays that were as obvious. Both winners with immense talents. I guess we can just leave it at that. Go Huskies!

It appears that you didn't care for her on court behavior as you assume that folks utilize that talent as having a "will to win". Her leadership is what made her great. the antics were just for show. She has a great sense of humor.

Maya and Diana are both great. What anyone thinks that makes one "better" than the other is up to the beholder. If the beholder's decision disagrees with your decision, chalk it up to individuality.
 
First, we're only talking about including Stewie in a "conversation" in which she is compared to Diana and Maya. Nothing to argue about because that conversation is inexorably underway and will continue until she graduates. Whether or not she becomes anointed by some or many as "the greatest" will be argued more or less persuasively when her four-year achievements can be measured with some precision against Diana's or Maya's.

Meanwhile, let's enjoy the conversation.

And be grateful that Stewie is in Storrs, not South Bend.
 
Baloney. We don't need to wait 2 years to "evaluate in earnest". She's great and in the Top 3 now, today. She just killed the #3 team on the road in front of 22,000 fans. And it's not like her team was making their shots. She was dominant on D and on the glass. When the O stalled she posted up and put the game out of reach. What about that steal to start the 2nd half? Less than 10 seconds in and she blew up the Cards 2nd game plan. I think some of you guys are taking her for granted. You're just talking about compiling stats with that "wait 2 years" stuff. As far as on-court play, DT and MM had nothing on Stewie.
Stewart hasn't even put together 2 full good seasons, and I'm pretty sure Breanna had four other pretty darn good teammates out there with her last night. Oh by the way, Stewie was a non-factor until the 2nd media time out. If not for Mosqueda-Lewis and Jefferson knocking down big shots early to stop Louisville's momentum, who knows how that game would have turned out. Even Geno joked in his post-game that Stewie was like she was in the "witness protection program" for the first 6 or 7 minutes, so let's not pretend she single-handedly beat Louisville, because not even the coaching staff believes that and they were there. By the way, DT and MM have Olympic gold medals. How many does Stewie have? By the way, DT and Maya have multiple national championships and NPOY awards. How many does Stewie have? Maya was also a four-time first team All-American, only the second in history to pull that off. If you really think Stewie can win games by herself, then she can certainly lose them too, and she has already lost as many games in her first 1+ years as Maya did in all of her 4 years. But I guess we should just go by the eye test? By that same token, why not just hand UConn this year's national title because they are clearly the best team based on what everyone has seen. Like I said, go back and watch some youtube and then tell me DT and Maya have nothing on Stewie. Maybe one day we'll talk about Stewart as being in the same club as Maya and DT, but she has far from earned it.
 
To me there is one thing that stands out about all three: when the whistle blows all three are all business. Oh yes, every once and a while you will see them get agitated, but not often. All business. I consider Stewie's one court demeanor one of her greatest attributes. She's a pretty cool cat. Maya would give you an icy look and run you down at the other end of the floor and stuff you. D would freeze you in your shoes, sink one and wink at the camera. Oh my, we have been blessed. Ain't this a wonderful way to while away between game hours?
 
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Does Stewie belong in the conversation with Diana and Maya? I don't watch too much WCBB anymore, but what I have seen of Stewie suggests that she may be approaching the level where she is mentioned with the top players in the history of the program.

Thoughts?

I believe she "belongs"--- in comparison of sophomore vs sophomore. IMO her soph season rivals that of DT and Maya (and Bird) in their soph years. Everyone has reasons and what they like to see - what they look for. For me; one major characteristic (not the only one) is- if a player can be stopped. DT and Maya were "stopped" in the Final Four as freshmen. Both of these supreme players were not stopped in big games thereafter. In Maya's sr year she wasn't stopped. Geno was to say later after Maya's sr year that two times he changed the offense - and those two times were vs Stanford and the 4th game vs ND.

Going forward, I want to see if a team "can stop" Stewie. I'd like to think what Stewie does well is unstoppable. That goes for defense as well. Listen to Walz's postgame about not being able to go inside. Of course Dolson and Stokes are huge too. But so is Stewie. How often do we say "HUGE MISTAKE" before it (a block) happens when we see some players try convert inside while Stewie is hovering in the lane?

As for her offense- sometimes it is nowhere near as flashy as DT or Maya. She has such a phenom wingspan - it's easier to get her the ball. She makes it easier for the passer too. The pass doesn't have to be that good. So when she catches it and winds up with a layup it doesn't look as sleek as a DT or Maya or Bird jump shot. But a huge weapon of hers is that she can get easy baskets inside. And with her lenth she tips ball for extra possessions like no player we have ever had.

I never saw Bascom play - but as a sophomore, I think Stewie ranks right in the mix with DT, Maya, and Bird's soph seasons. One reason why I don't have Bird with DT and Maya is that both DT and Maya were "prolific" as well. Just my peroanl opinion, Bird could run a game great - but could be stopped in a way. I believe Geno said after 01-02 Finals he could have isolated DT any timebut that wasn't how he wanted to play. When needed, he isolated DT despite her shot being off when we needed that huge basket. Her game was unstoppable. Who could forget Notre Dame running 3 players at Maya - and she still was unstoppable. Of course she lost but her game was unstoppable.

As for Tina I have her just below the other 3. She's my number 4. In both her frosh and soph years, she was stopped.
 
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Thanks for all the feedback. At a minimum, it appears to be the consensus that Stewie is already top 5 and might some day stack up favorably with Diana and/or Maya, or at least be in the conversation. I appreciate all the comments.
 
Stewart did something none of the other 'greats' have done - carried her team to an NC her freshman year. She had a mixed freshman year, but played one of the best NCAA tournaments ever for any age player. And she played only 5 of the 6 games missing the opening blow out. She shot 60% from three and average 3.4 blocks a contest. Yes the team was very good around her but she was absolutely unstoppable. And her performance at the FF was even more impressive.

Stewarts sophomore season is on a par with Moore and DT as well - she is scoring a little more than Maya did and blocking a few more shots, but rebounding a little less and has a few less assists. DT scored a lot less, rebounded a lot less, but had many more assists. After struggling her freshman year she has proved in last years NCAA and this year to be a big game player.

I would say to date Stewart is proving every bit as good a player as the other two. We will see where she goes from here, but she is certainly in the same league to date.

All three are physically and mentally unique players capable of making any shot. Personality wise they are very different and leadership wise as well. Stewart will probably never have the same emotional impact on her teammates that DT or Maya had because she is just not wired the same. But she has more USA gold medals, more USA women's player of the year awards and more NCs than either DT or Maya had at the same age. Watching what Stewart has done internationally (and hearing the reports from coaches and opponents) suggests there is a hidden drive behind that 'goofy' exterior that will not let her team lose an important game. I still remember one of the USA trials (and also one of the all star games?) where her team was being beaten and she hadn't really done much to assert herself until the last 5-10 minutes where she turned defeat into victory by simply taking over the game. It was not unlike last nights game - good performance on the boards, pretty poor shooting night (2-10), but a switch is flipped and from the 15:36 mark she scores 15 of Uconn's final 18 points on 7-11 shooting with 3 rebounds and 2 blocks.
 
Why can't we all agree that as long as Stewie continues on her present path, the 3 greatest players of all time played at UConn?
 
Really ? He did have a great playoff record (9-3) but lifetime stats of under 200 yards a game. 55% completion rate and an interception rate if 5.1% (one out of every 20 attempts intercepted) doesn't quite make him the greatest of all time with a "no one ever even came close". That is about the same as saying that Johnny Weissmuller was the greatest swimmer of ever.

I too thought it a ridiculous statement, and I tried to treat it with George Ratterman humor.
 
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OK, so what I didn't finish saying, is that Maya and her team lost in the final four in 2011 (without Charles). Dee won three consecutive championships, taking her team on her back, showing great leadership and inspiration. (This is to the argument that I believe Diana is better than Maya in this respect - sometimes with these greats, it's similar to comparing apples and oranges).

So Breanna has three more years to go, three unknowns. I guess that means that I am leaning to the side that she is great, yes, but we have three more years. Let's wait until they are over before assigning accolades...and enjoy what we have, while we wait.

But Maya did not win a NCAA championship without Tina
Nor did DT win without Maria and Moore (Jessica) :)
 
We have to be the most Blessed Fan base to have these 3 wonderful athletes to try and compare. IMHO lets not and just enjoy Stewie and remember fondly D and Maya. MoJeff is a superlative athlete as well.
 
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