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There's not much you can tell from a 3-minute highlight reel, but he kind of looks like a poor man's Jabari Parker. And I mean that as a compliment. Nice touch inside plus a decent looking stroke from the outside.
 
From Rivals:

A relative newcomer to the game, Enoch hasn't been playing organized basketball for much more than a couple of years. On top of that, the solidly built four man won't even turn 17 until mid September making him very young for his class. He runs the floor, he is athletic around the rim, he rebounds well and he has very good shooting touch that extends all the way out to the three point line. He is a little rough around the edges overall as a player, but the raw talent to play at a high level is all there. Look for him to enter the 2015 Rivals150 when it is updated in late June and look for him to do so as a four-star prospect.
 
upstater said:
At this point in time going into my senior year, I was 16 years old as well. I'm sure that's true for half of the rising seniors in America. Only in highly competitive team sports is it weird to be 16 as a rising senior. I turned 18 after I graduated.
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Same here. I turned 18 after my first college semester.
 
upstater said:
At this point in time going into my senior year, I was 16 years old as well. I'm sure that's true for half of the rising seniors in America. Only in highly competitive team sports is it weird to be 16 as a rising senior. I turned 18 after I graduated.
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As did I. However in Massachusetts and some other states grade is not determined by year of birth, but instead by if you are 5 when school starts on September 1. I was born in June, but 85% of my high school class was older than me. Drummond would have been younger than 95% of his class mates if he went to my high school.

As an example, everyone who is a senior in high school in Connecticut was born between January 2014 and December 2014, but the seniors in high school in Massachusetts are born between September 2013 and August 2014. As has been proven by research that was made popular by Malcolm gladwell, a few months difference can make a HUGE difference in development depending upon when athletes or students start getting tracked. It could mean a student getting tracked for certain level courses going from middle school into high school or it could mean an athlete getting to play year round top level AAU in middle school or early high school that gets him access to better coaching, more challenging competition, and more exposure to scouts who could offer a scholarship to a private high school (a HUGE advantage for a high school athlete) or scout him for a college scholarship.

I think in this case he has already got the exposure even though he is young for his grade, so he has beat the odds. His best option is to get to college ASAP and redshirt a year if he needs to.
 
Sportsman5 said:
As did I. However in Massachusetts and some other states grade is not determined by year of birth, but instead by if you are 5 when school starts on September 1. I was born in June, but 85% of my high school class was older than me. Drummond would have been younger than 95% of his class mates if he went to my high school.

As an example, everyone who is a senior in high school in Connecticut was born between January 2014 and December 2014, but the seniors in high school in Massachusetts are born between September 2013 and August 2014. As has been proven by research that was made popular by Malcolm gladwell, a few months difference can make a HUGE difference in development depending upon when athletes or students start getting tracked. It could mean a student getting tracked for certain level courses going from middle school into high school or it could mean an athlete getting to play year round top level AAU in middle school or early high school that gets him access to better coaching, more challenging competition, and more exposure to scouts who could offer a scholarship to a private high school (a HUGE advantage for a high school athlete) or scout him for a college scholarship.

I think in this case he has already got the exposure even though he is young for his grade, so he has beat the odds. His best option is to get to college ASAP and redshirt a year if he needs to.
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But he's in Connecticut, not Mass., so he's actually in the middle of the curve, not at the front end of it. New York also is like Connecticut. All kids born in 2009 will be eligible to be enrolled in Kindergarten starting this fall.
 
Kitaman said:
Being old school, I like a kid without a mixtape hype film (to date). Furthermore in the old school dept., having a good player from CT is important to our program, regardless of how elite we are.
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Couldn't agree more. Keeping elites in state is the one thing I actually envy about Kentucky. We need to be better at it, and this kid doesn't look like a bad place to put in the work.
 
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upstater said:
But he's in Connecticut, not Mass., so he's actually in the middle of the curve, not at the front end of it. New York also is like Connecticut. All kids born in 2009 will be eligible to be enrolled in Kindergarten starting this fall.
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Connecticut students often go in the year late regardless. I played lacrosse in high school with a kid who was a class behind me despite being a month older, and I was a June birthday.
 
upstater said:
But he's in Connecticut, not Mass., so he's actually in the middle of the curve, not at the front end of it. New York also is like Connecticut. All kids born in 2009 will be eligible to be enrolled in Kindergarten starting this fall.
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But pretty much every state has a similar cut off to Massachusetts. there are only a few states that do it like Connecticut or even give an option by county.
http://www.superpages.com/supertips/age-to-start-kindergarten-by-state.html

He is very young for his grade when compared to all class of 2015 students in the country. He will be one of the youngest college basketball players in the entire country and many freshman will be 1-2 years older than him.
 
These days it is much harder to find a 17 year old HS graduate. Everyone keeps their kid out of kindergarten longer to get "the competitive edge".
I graduated at 17 (until October) my buddy was 17 until February. You'll never see that again.
Most important: I like this kid!
 
David 76 said:
These days it is much harder to find a 17 year old HS graduate. Everyone keeps their kid out of kindergarten longer to get "the competitive edge".
I graduated at 17 (until October) my buddy was 17 until February. You'll never see that again.
Most important: I like this kid!
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I was 16 until october also my Sr. year and even in '77 I had juniors and soph's on my hoop and baseball teams my age back then……..now those jR and Soph's might be 1-2 years older than I at their underclass stage.

Huge difference in a kid at 15/16 than 18/19 in so many ways…….I would love to have been a 19 year old senior!
 
UConNick said:
Crazy that this kid has blown up. My only memory of him was a teacher yelling at him for throwing a snowball at some kid a couple years ago :) Incredible how far he's come and I want this kid at UConn!! He projects as a 4 at the next level so getting him doesn't hinder our chances for the package deals.
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I was his counselor in an after school program when he was 8-10 years old. Still the same baby face he had back then! I remember going one-on-one with him bc he was about 5'5" and I'm 6' even. I was also 22 years old at the time...I like to think I taught him everything he knows!
 
My son is 14 and finishing his freshman year. I was a big proponent of having him start a year later (late sept bday) due to maturity issues (not sports driven per se). I remember as an RA at UCONN there was a lot of difference between 17 and 18 year old freshman. I started school in Minnesota and they mandated you were 5 before you went to K so I ended up older than most kids throughout school which I found to be a competitive advantage across the board.

Turns out he ended up playing sports and it is amazing what he looks like now v a year ago. If he came in as a freshman this upcoming year the coaches would salivate. As it was he didn't get much pt this year as he was a little undersized. Grew about 5 inches since last summer.

For a lot of kids that year can be the difference between getting a look and not getting one.
 
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I often wonder about that. I started ny freshman year at 5'8", but I was 6' by the end of the year. If I had come into high school at 6', maybe I end up sticking with football.
 
With this phenomenon, you see schools having to divvy up the classes as richer kids who learned to read at 4 start kindergarten at 6 while poorer kids with 2 working parents start kindergarten at 4. The 4 and 6 year old are put in the same class, necessitating schools to divvy up each class into quadrants with multiple teachers.
 
upstater said:
With this phenomenon, you see schools having to divvy up the classes as richer kids who learned to read at 4 start kindergarten at 6 while poorer kids with 2 working parents start kindergarten at 4. The 4 and 6 year old are put in the same class, necessitating schools to divvy up each class into quadrants with multiple teachers.
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And by high school, you can nearly perfectly determine which kids have involved parents by what level they're in. I used to teach 9th grade, and I had two sections of general level repeaters, meaning all kids who were in the lowest-level English class, and who had flunked the year before. At open house, nary a parent showed for either section. A friend of mine who taught honors English across the hall had standing room only in her room.
 
This was published prior to UConn offering: http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/02/seven-takeaways-from-pangos-all-american-camp/

7. Big man Steve Enoch breaks out: Memphis is one of the only schools on Norwalk, Connecticut native Steve Enoch, but that should change after a good performance a Pangos this weekend.

Enoch played well throughout the camp and could stake a claim as the camp’s second best big man behind Zimmerman. Enoch will have to show more against national competition, but at 6-foot-9, many big-time programs will be interested in him this July.
 
CallMeBruce said:
And by high school, you can nearly perfectly determine which kids have involved parents by what level they're in. I used to teach 9th grade, and I had two sections of general level repeaters, meaning all kids who were in the lowest-level English class, and who had flunked the year before. At open house, nary a parent showed for either section. A friend of mine who taught honors English across the hall had standing room only in her room.
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But I bet about half the kids in the honors class belonged there and the rest had parents making phone calls and calling lawyers.
 
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David 76 said:
But I bet about half the kids in the honors class belonged there and the rest had parents making phone calls and calling lawyers.
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I can't speak to that specifically, but by high school, those kids have been on the honors track for long enough that they probably do belong in there, at least from a "what they've already learned" standpoint. I know when I was in high school, there were a few es in my honors and AP classes, but they worked their asses off and held their own as a result. So, to each his own.
 
Three crystal ball predictions on 247 today.

I know, I know - take it with an entire shaker of salt. But I'm starting to feel good about the prospects of landing Enoch and Adams, and have my fingers crossed for Sharma as well.
 
CallMeBruce said:
I can't speak to that specifically, but by high school, those kids have been on the honors track for long enough that they probably do belong in there, at least from a "what they've already learned" standpoint. I know when I was in high school, there were a few es in my honors and AP classes, but they worked their asses off and held their own as a result. So, to each his own.
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Have you graduated H.S. recently? One of the biggest problems staff at the H.S. I work with is that too many parents feel their lambkins deserve honors courses, AP courses, playing time, etc.. Not sure why this is irks you. In my town and in the one I work honors course don't begin until high school. Parents fight to get their kid on the success track. I've worked with kids for 35 years and I can tell you, the higher the tax bracket, the greater the parental interference
 
otp85 said:
When Enoch was first mentioned on this board I believe I was one of the first detractors. Let me defend that assessment by saying my analysis came from 3 or 4 games I saw him play in Dec/Jan last year. In those, especially the loss @ Bpt Central, he looked lost and overwhelmed. Kind of a deer in headlights kind of thing. Looked athletic and talented just not like a high major player.

Now, let me be the first to say that it looks like I was wrong. If the videos I'm watching now are for real he has made amazing strides in just his understanding of the game. My fear with him was/is still that Ater Majok fear; tons of talent but just trouble adjusting to the speed of the game. But I had the same feeling about Brimah. If we get him I hope he proves me wrong some more.
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I don't think Ater is a fair comparison since Ater was much older coming in and might have developed into a solid player if he had stuck around. The fact that Enoch is so young will probably help with him sticking around for a while. Also, I noticed that there was an article that stated that he had only been playing hoops for a couple years. Basketball is a very tough game to pick up late, particularly with ball handling, but the fact he's a big, explains a lot as far as what you observed. Unlike a guard picking up the game late, a big can not only get away with a late start in this sport, but they also tend to be slow developers.

If he's as athletic as they make him out to be and his improvement is skyrocketing, then KO should try to reel him in now. He sounds like a great player to come here since he probably is quite mold-able doesn't have some of the bad habits that some players bring with them. The fact that he's a CT kid, I hope the program does a good job of keeping that elite local talent here in state. With that said, I understand a staff has only so many ships to work with and there's always the chance they end up landing a player at his position who's better. I just hope they don't go after him halfheartedly and end up missing out on both some elite player as well as him. I don't envy the juggling act a D1 hoops coach has to go through with putting a recruiting class together. You stick too long with a blue-chip recruit or two or even more, you can end up missing out on some very good recruits that just need a little more time to develop and end up being at their college hoops peak as an upperclassman leading the team to another NC. Young uber-talented kids who leave after one year rarely end their college career with a championship, unless they're surrounded by a key upperclassman or two.

I'm both excited and extremely curious as to what type of 2015 class KO ends up with. I have little doubt that they will be some very good prospects. I'll be just as fine if he lands a top 10 to 20 type recruiting class made up of players who are excited to come here and fit our system as I'll be if he lands a top 1 to 3 type class landing one or more elite recruits.
 
DogMania said:
I don't think Ater is a fair comparison since Ater was much older coming in and might have developed into a solid player if he had stuck around.
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I've spent a bit of time in South Sudan and I don't know how anyone knows how old they are. The place is truely stone age except for Juba and a few other towns, and they are medieval. Nobody has records.
 
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DogMania said:
I don't think Ater is a fair comparison since Ater was much older coming in and might have developed into a solid player.
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I didn't mean to compare them as far as skill level or style of play. Just the similar feeling he could come in less ready for the college level game. Maybe Facey would be a better comparison. A year or 2 and ready hopefully.
 
otp85 said:
I didn't mean to compare them as far as skill level or style of play. Just the similar feeling he could come in less ready for the college level game. Maybe Facey would be a better comparison. A year or 2 and ready hopefully.
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Kentan's problem also was associated with the speed of the college game especially reacting defensively. I think he was lost many times on that end and it hurt his ability to get on or stay on the court! Hopefully the defensive end becomes a bit more natural for him next year………I believe he can be special eventually!
 
otp85 said:
I didn't mean to compare them as far as skill level or style of play. Just the similar feeling he could come in less ready for the college level game. Maybe Facey would be a better comparison. A year or 2 and ready hopefully.
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Facey or Brimah, or maybe somewhere in between.
 
From Rivals on Enoch:

A big man from Connecticut who isn't yet ranked, Enoch is on track to make the highest debut of any player that isn't currently ranked. He is 6-foot-9 with a basketball body, rebounds aggressively and is a very good jump-shooter. Rivals.com needs to see him more, but he looks to be somebody that is easily a top 50-60 prospect, if not a bit better.
 
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