Stay Classy Brenda

[Charliebball]

A lot of people are missing the point here. Maryland did not put 5 walk-on players on the court in the 2nd half. Out of the last 6 players on the court in the game, four were former McDonalds All Americans and a 5th was the Georgia state player of the year and ranked 15th in Hoopgurlz. So you're telling me that after practicing hard for several weeks that they should take it easy because the team is so inferior. Blame the scheduling but not the effort of the players. This happens in high school all the time.
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I would never blame the players........they are only following their coach's orders...........

 

[TerpWomenFan]

That could be correct....on the men's side I saw the UNC just played Memphis State but they had to do it behind closed doors

This is called a secret scrimmage. Men basketball does this all the time. Maryland played Wake Forest in the secret scrimmage this year. They played Georgetown and Villanova in the past. Attendance is not permitted.

 

[UcMiami]

I really think the problem is in choosing the opponents here and without seeing the game I cannot comment on the coaching and players.

Geno chose a team in IUP that was pretty good in the DII firmament, and the score was still 111-39 even after calling off the dogs in the second half. Bluefield State was terrible last year in DII going 2-23 vs. IUP that went 21-9 and made it to the post season. At some point you either just stop the game or you let your players actually run offense and score otherwise you are really wasting time. As far as defense - you have to play your defense.

 

[Charliebball]

This is called a secret scrimmage. Men basketball does this all the time. Maryland played Wake Forest in the secret scrimmage this year. They played Georgetown and Villanova in the past. Attendance is not permitted.

You mean the secret but not so secret scrimmage..........everybody knows your playing but nobody gets to watch

 

[Vowelguy]

Looks like the over/unders for the election.

I'm guessing you don't know where those numbers came from?

 

[Charliebball]

I really think the problem is in choosing the opponents here and without seeing the game I cannot comment on the coaching and players.

Geno chose a team in IUP that was pretty good in the DII firmament, and the score was still 111-39 even after calling off the dogs in the second half. Bluefield State was terrible last year in DII going 2-23 vs. IUP that went 21-9 and made it to the post season. At some point you either just stop the game or you let your players actually run offense and score otherwise you are really wasting time. As far as defense - you have to play your defense.

For a college team, even a DII college team to not score a single point in a half is the height of ineptitude.......would love to know how many shots they attempted in that half

 

[UcMiami]

For a college team, even a DII college team to not score a single point in a half is the height of ineptitude..would love to know how many shots they attempted in that half

I think I read somewhere they lost one of their D11 games last year by 100 points so inept is probably a good descriptor.

 

[TerpWomenFan]

For a college team, even a DII college team to not score a single point in a half is the height of ineptitude..would love to know how many shots they attempted in that half

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Believe it or not they actually led 3-2 in the game.

 

[Carnac]

A lot of people are missing the point here. Maryland did not put 5 walk-on players on the court in the 2nd half. Out of the last 6 players on the court in the game, four were former McDonalds All Americans and a 5th was the Georgia state player of the year and ranked 15th in Hoopgurlz. So you're telling me that after practicing hard for several weeks that they should take it easy because the team is so inferior. Blame the scheduling but not the effort of the players. This happens in high school all the time.

Brenda gets alot of grief sometimes but give her credit for developing players. SWK and Brionna Jones were the #43 and #55 ranked players in the country for 2013 and ESPN now ranks them #5 and #16 in the nation for all classes. (Nina Davis gets props as well she was #52).
Tianna Hawkins was ranked #133 and was the #6 pick in a WNBA draft. Brenda has some shortcomings but she also does some things well.

Terp fan, No one is blaming the players. Players are always suppose to play as hard as they can regardless of who is in front of them. Our Geno preaches that 24/7, 365 days a year. We are questioning the scheduling, not the players. They don't schedule the games, they just play. I'm I'm a player, I don't care the level of the team or the player 's guarding me (or visa versa) I'm trying to impress my coach and my teammates. We don't care who was on the court or when. We're looking t the bottle line, a 129 point win. If you can't see the irony in that, I don't know what else I can say.

 

[Carnac]

I believe the rule is they can't play exhibition games against other D1 schools where spectators are allowed to attend. Let us know if you find out diffferently

That's correct. UNLV traveled to Utah this past weekend for a closed door scrimmage with the Utah Utes. I was a 1 day turn-a-round. Leave and come back the same day. No spectators were allowed. They played Oregon last year on a 2 day turnaround. No spectators allowed, no press, no fanfare.

 

[easttexastrash]

Mulkey played every lineup imaginable and Baylor looked like crap as a result much of the game. Baylor was criticized for the fact that they only won by 29. Maryland is criticized because they won by 129. I guess winning by 72 is just right.

 

[HoopsFan21]

Mulkey played every lineup imaginable and Baylor looked like crap as a result much of the game. Baylor was criticized for the fact that they only won by 29. Maryland is criticized because they won by 129. I guess winning by 72 is just right.

Nah, Mulkey is criticized because she's scared to play good teams during the regular season. Brenda thinks only UConn gets good players, so the game is rigged.

 

[easttexastrash]

Nah, Mulkey is criticized because she's scared to play good teams during the regular season. Brenda thinks only UConn gets good players, so the game is rigged.

Are you saying that UCONN isn't a good team?

 

[Vowelguy]

Nah, Mulkey is criticized because she's scared to play good teams during the regular season.

Last year, Baylor played 14 games against the Sagarin top 25. Tied for most in the country.

 

[TerpWomenFan]

Terp fan, No one is blaming the players. Players are always suppose to play as hard as they can regardless of who is in front of them. Our Geno preaches that 24/7, 365 days a year. We are questioning the scheduling, not the players. They don't schedule the games, they just play. I'm I'm a player, I don't care the level of the team or the player 's guarding me (or visa versa) I'm trying to impress my coach and my teammates. We don't care who was on the court or when. We're looking t the bottle line, a 129 point win. If you can't see the irony in that, I don't know what else I can say.

OK. I get it. Some people were saying that they should have stepped off the pedal a little bit in the 2nd half. But a lot of Maryland fans would like a little stronger OOC schedule and they did better this year with Arizona State, Washington State and Louisville.

 

[Vowelguy]

Last year, Baylor played 14 games against the Sagarin top 25. Tied for most in the country.

Baylor played 12 games against the Massey top 25. It's not easily displayed, but as comparison, Notre Dame played 13 such games.

 

[easttexastrash]

Exhibition games should be eliminated. Who wants to watch a bunch of Div I teams bash the brains out of a bunch of over matched teams. Are you really learning anything if you play a team that you can beat by 70 - 100 points?

I will say that Emporia State had some nice players who can shoot the ball. They drained 10 three pointers...felt like watching Louisville in one stretch. This was not at all what I expected for an exhibition game. That is not to say that Baylor looked very fluid most of the game, but ES is a good little team that would challenge a lot of Div I programs.

 

[UcMiami]

Exhibition games should be eliminated. Who wants to watch a bunch of Div I teams bash the brains out of a bunch of over matched teams. Are you really learning anything if you play a team that you can beat by 70 - 100 points?

I will say that Emporia State had some nice players who can shoot the ball. They drained 10 three pointers...felt like watching Louisville in one stretch. This was not at all what I expected for an exhibition game. That is not to say that Baylor looked very fluid most of the game, but ES is a good little team that would challenge a lot of Div I programs.

Exhibition games are a way for teams (and especially their freshman) to get used to the venue(s) and kind of crowds they will be playing in during the season and to run their systems against people they don't play against five times a week, when the play can't be stopped and where fouls actually matter. And for the cannon fodder that is brought in to provide the competition, it is a chance to add to their revenue, to see how their own play stacks up against better players, and to have minor victories over the course of a game. Some of the teams can be as good or better than some of the D1 teams on the schedule. And for some of the teams, just playing against D1 Das and HOF quality coaches can bring its own excitement.

On the SOS for Baylor - I think some Baylor fans and many outside fans recognize that they play plenty of decent teams during the year - the complaint is that the OOC has had a lot of really terrible teams included. Every team ends up with a Colgate or Holy Cross on their schedule because of special considerations, but for a few years Kim seemed to load up on those kinds of teams OOC when people felt her team was 'better than that'.
(And there are a lot of teams, including a number of SEC teams that are much worse than Baylor in terms of scheduling OOC - every year you see them rise in the polls as they got 13-0 or 12-1 OOC before going 6-10 or worse once the conference play kicks in.)

 

[triaddukefan]

OK. I get it. Some people were saying that they should have stepped off the pedal a little bit in the 2nd half. But a lot of Maryland fans would like a little stronger OOC schedule and they did better this year with Arizona State, Washington State and Louisville.

The Louisville game is part of the Big 10/ACC Challenge... Its not like your coach went out and scheduled them

That power house Washington state ???? .... the same school that finished 9-22 last season.... and 1-17 in the Pac 12 But i guess they are stronger than UMES

 

[Plebe]

...Or enter conference play with a .500 record, weakening their chance of a high seed come tournament selection time. Mulkey's OCC schedule was embarrassingly weak last year. This year, it's a little better. It's still a little soft, but better than last year's. Coaches that are in a competitive conference know they need a good won/loss record at the end of the season to get invited to the tournament, and get a decent seed. The preseason is the perfect time to load up on wins for the season. That's where the bread products come in. They do serve a purpose. It's hard to find anyone that's not partial to cupcakes and twinkies.

Baylor's nonconference strength of schedule last year was #23 in the country. Not amazing, but compared favorably to the likes of Texas (#35), Louisville (#39), South Carolina (#46), Kentucky (#52), Maryland (#69), Oklahoma (#112), West Virginia (#113), and Mississippi State (#123).

 

[Carnac]

Kim seemed to load up on those kinds of teams OOC when people felt her team was 'better than that'.

That's all I'm saying. Baylor is better than that. THAT'S my whole point!!! Baylor is too good a team to to play as weak and mushy OOC schedule.
Iron sharpens iron!!! Schedule your OOC schedule like the champions you think you are.

 

[UcMiami]

Baylor's nonconference strength of schedule last year was #23 in the country. Not amazing, but compared favorably to the likes of Texas (#35), Louisville (#39), South Carolina (#46), Kentucky (#52), Maryland (#69), Oklahoma (#112), West Virginia (#113), and Mississippi State (#123).

Baylor upgraded their schedule last year, in the previous couple of seasons it was really dreadful with lots of 100+ opponents. In 2013-14 for example the only OOC game of consequence was against KY - the rest of the slate was: Grambling, Nichols State, Rice, Savannah State, Northwestern State, TX-San Antonio, San Jose State, Houston Baptist, Ole Miss, and McNeese State - and all of the games were at home except for KY which was 'neutral' in Arlington, TX. They did play Uconn also on their home court in January. Last year in contrast they played South Florida, DePaul, Michigan State, Miami, and James Madison in their OOC.

 

[JordyG]

I'm guessing you don't know where those numbers came from?

Oh I can tell basketball score of D1 vs. D2's. They still look like over/unders.

 

[Checkmate]

The Louisville game is part of the Big 10/ACC Challenge... Its not like your coach went out and scheduled them

That power house Washington state ???? .... the same school that finished 9-22 last season.... and 1-17 in the Pac 12 But i guess they are stronger than UMES

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[KnightBridgeAZ]

As was just pointed out to me above by jbb, these teams are forced to play much inferior teams, so I really can't fault Maryland here.

Except that you could "scrimmage" against another D1 team, however, then the public is neither invited nor allowed to know how it went. Rutgers has been doing scrimmages in recent years, a couple of times against Drexel that I know of. Even who you scrimmage with is somewhat "secret" but that gets out, usually.

So there is a balance, too, of getting your team showcased in front of the fans and your team experiences playing in front of the home fans.

But I do agree with those who wonder if these particular opponents for Maryland offer the best opportunity for improvement. Then again, maybe for Brenda it is a morale thing, something she is really, really big on.

 

[Vowelguy]

Oh I can tell basketball score of D1 vs. D2's. They still look like over/unders.

Um no. They are UConn scores against D1 opponents over the years.

 

[HoopsFan21]

WTF is there such a thing as a secret scrimmage? Can someone please explain the NCAA rules?

 

[UcMiami]

WTF is there such a thing as a secret scrimmage? Can someone please explain the NCAA rules?

You can have preseason games in front of fans with scores kept but they have to be against non-D1 schools. If you want to play against D1 talent, you cannot keep score and it must be closed to the public. I don't think the scrimmage need be kept secret, it just cannot be view by the public.

 

[Bayareahusky]

So how exactly do you improve your athletic, team, or communicative skills by beating a child?

OK I will ask then, do you have an example in WCBB when an exhibition has been played with anyone but a "child" as you say it? They all are patsies..... It is like the football games you try to set up for homecoming.... someone you can whomp on.....

If it is me, and i am the coach, i do not schedule someone like Bluefield State..... but my point was ...... why should I call into question Brenda, when she thinks this sort of game can improve her team in some way, or reveal areas which could show to her how her team is progressing..... perhaps we shouldn't schedule Indiana Univeristy of Pennsylvania.....

 

[HoopsFan21]

You can have preseason games in front of fans with scores kept but they have to be against non-D1 schools. If you want to play against D1 talent, you cannot keep score and it must be closed to the public. I don't think the scrimmage need be kept secret, it just cannot be view by the public.

Why?