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Starting lineup and bench order

fatlucy said:
And yet you’ve never seen Karaban play one minute of college basketball.
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Correct... and if you comprehended what I said I said "or vice versa" meaning none of us can put one over the other.
 
HuskyHawk said:
This. Johnson should start and be impactful. I do think we may face some opponents where Dan changes that. He's not starting the same 5 guys every game.

I see Alleyne is a super 6th man, he can sub at several positions. Not sure Diarra plays more than Karaban, mostly because I think Jackson will be at PG some of the time when Newton goes out. Calcaterra could surprise to upside on minutes. I expect Johnson will back up Sanogo as often as Clingan does. But maybe not.
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Johnson is the biggest question mark on the team . His time will be based on his ability to protect Sanogo from the double team .
The next biggest question is how he best utilizes Jackson skill set . He will. Start out as a three but can play 1-4 . Interesting player .
Newton is the PG unless he plays himself out the the picture , then it’s Diarra and Jackson .
Hawkins is a lock at the 2
Sanogo at the five
If we’re getting pressed then Hawkins may sit for another ball handler .
If someone zones you we answer with some shooters .
The bench is intriguing
I think Clingan plays more than most predict. We had some matchup problems they may be fixed by a 7-2 guy .
This lineup has a lot of answers for whatever they throw at us .
 
I ask this question right about the same time every year. Has anyone had recent eyes on our practices or scrimmages particularly the new players who have never donned the blue and white to assess what their skills look like? It;s a lot of players, plus Johnson and Springs who we saw little of last year. I know that what you see may not be what happens in games but any info at this stage would be good.
 
1: Newton
2: Hawkins
3: Jackson
4: Johnson
5: Sanogo

6: Alleyne
7: Karaban
8: Diarra

9: Calcaterra
10: Clingan
11: Springs

Top 8 should all see solid run as part of the core rotation. 9-11 should each get spot minutes here and there depending on matchups and foul trouble. I think Calcaterra will get the most minutes out of the final group for his 3pt shooting.
 
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I think it's very possible that Joey Calcaterra is a much more complete ball player than this board may be giving him credit for. On Youtube I watched some of a game vs UCLA where he scored 18, 3 assists, 1 bd, and had the ball in his hands a lot. 3's with a very quick release, under pressure, lots of ball handling near top of the key, penetrations, passing, transition, the list goes on. He'll get minutes.

I encourage folks to take a look. He's a player.
 
Son of Robert said:
I think it's very possible that Joey Calcaterra is a much more complete ball player than this board may be giving him credit for. On Youtube I watched some of a game vs UCLA where he scored 18, 3 assists, 1 bd, and had the ball in his hands a lot. 3's with a very quick release, under pressure, lots of ball handling near top of the key, penetrations, passing, transition, the list goes on. He'll get minutes.

I encourage folks to take a look. He's a player.
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Yes, he's a wild-card. Could easily jump into the top 8. Dan likes experienced guys. I think he'd be on the floor if we have a lead late, for decision making and foul shooting,
 
Son of Robert said:
I think it's very possible that Joey Calcaterra is a much more complete ball player than this board may be giving him credit for. On Youtube I watched some of a game vs UCLA where he scored 18, 3 assists, 1 bd, and had the ball in his hands a lot. 3's with a very quick release, under pressure, lots of ball handling near top of the key, penetrations, passing, transition, the list goes on. He'll get minutes.

I encourage folks to take a look. He's a player.
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He is better than we give him credit for, but I think the only path to meaningful minutes is to take most of Diarra’s time. I don’t see Diarra or Joey spending a lot of time at SG, and it’ll be hard to find real minutes for two backup PGs. And it feels like (no actual analysis here, just a gut feel) that the team was more excited for Diarra than Calcaterra.

Otherwise, a backcourt of Newton/Hawkins/Jackson/Alleyne/Diarra is going to be hard to break through. Even if some of those guys spend a lot of time at the 3.
 
Shamon30 said:
I think Springs is going to surprise people this year. Not shock, but surprise.
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Wonder how many years in a row this will get posted on the board. Going on year 3 of this now. Love Richie and all he does for the program, but don't know how you can say or justify the idea that he's going to a big part of our success this season.
 
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Psolo12 said:
Wonder how many years in a row this will get posted on the board. Going on year 3 of this now. Love Richie and all he does for the program, but don't know how you can say or justify the idea that he's going to a big part of our success this season.
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Springs minutes would mean Samson, Karaban, Sanogo, or Clingan not playing. Not gonna happen unless it’s a blowout or foul trouble for 2 guys at the same position. It’s impossible to not love Richie, but he’s not a Whaley type player that we should expect to break out.

His job was recruited over twice, and those two guys are here for the next 3-4 years.

Seems much more likely that he’ll continue being a strong practice piece to keep the rotation guys on their game. And there’s nothing wrong with that! Those guys are very valuable for a program even if they don’t get big minutes
 
CTBasketball said:
What he’s been doing in practice.
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If the feeling around the program is Karaban is out-performing Johnson in practice then Karaban should 100% start. I do wonder if we have enough rebounding but I'm also not sure if Johnson is a good rebounder since we never saw him.
 
REB1094 said:
Springs minutes would mean Samson, Karaban, Sanogo, or Clingan not playing. Not gonna happen unless it’s a blowout or foul trouble for 2 guys at the same position. It’s impossible to not love Richie, but he’s not a Whaley type player that we should expect to break out.

His job was recruited over twice, and those two guys are here for the next 3-4 years.

Seems much more likely that he’ll continue being a strong practice piece to keep the rotation guys on their game. And there’s nothing wrong with that! Those guys are very valuable for a program even if they don’t get big minutes
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Springs has made it clear he loves being a part of the program and helping the team win through practice. There just isn't going to be minutes for him other than when the game is out of hand or there's injuries.

I love those kind of players and they are important to top programs.
 
CZ BRAT said:
Im still not sold on SJ...talented...just not ready. I hope to see AK get more minutes at the 3. Springs is Steady Eddy...a more athletic, sweeter stroke Whaley
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I'm not sure at this point how you can make the determination that SJ isn't ready but AK and Springs are. We've barely seen any meaningful minutes out of the three of them combined.
 
REB1094 said:
Springs minutes would mean Samson, Karaban, Sanogo, or Clingan not playing. Not gonna happen unless it’s a blowout or foul trouble for 2 guys at the same position. It’s impossible to not love Richie, but he’s not a Whaley type player that we should expect to break out.

His job was recruited over twice, and those two guys are here for the next 3-4 years.

Seems much more likely that he’ll continue being a strong practice piece to keep the rotation guys on their game. And there’s nothing wrong with that! Those guys are very valuable for a program even if they don’t get big minutes
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Agreed 100%. Was just saying every year people say he's gonna surprise us. Just don't see that being the case.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Yes, he's a wild-card. Could easily jump into the top 8. Dan likes experienced guys. I think he'd be on the floor if we have a lead late, for decision making and foul shooting,
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I don't know about the top 8, that's too specific for me, but if he plays mostly mistake free team ball, has some glue to his game, and is hitting his shots/scoring, he may get some decent minutes. Hurley playing 4 out could make for a deep bench.
 
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UofCT said:
If the feeling around the program is Karaban is out-performing Johnson in practice then Karaban should 100% start. I do wonder if we have enough rebounding but I'm also not sure if Johnson is a good rebounder since we never saw him.
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The feeling around the program? Or the team? Do you have a connnection to the team or is it your feeling reading and posting on the BY?
 
fatlucy said:
The feeling around the program? Or the team? Do you have a connnection to the team or is it your feeling reading and posting on the BY?
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I said “if” and was responding to the previous poster.
 
UofCT said:
I said “if” and was responding to the previous poster.
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But there is no indication whatsoever that the IF statement is true. If Diarra is suddenly as good as Steph Curry he wills start over Newton. Hurley is going to play the guys that perform. But his comments indicate he realizes that Johnson is fairly new to the game, and so he can live with a few growing pains for the upside.

This team should be a rebounding machine. Sanogo, Johnson, Jackson and two 6'5" guards? I'm not worried about an athletic 6'10" guy getting rebounds. The small ball lineup with AJax at PF, that might struggle on the boards. But I really think that will be just a situational lineup.
 
Newton 30
Hawk 30
Alleyne 25
Jackson 30
Sanogo 30
Samson 25
Diarra 12
Calcaterra 10
Clingan/Karaban 5
Not totally sold on samson yet, I think he either produces this year or transfers. Could see more clingan minutes if sanogo is in foul trouble. Upperclassmen Hurley Lineup. I don't think arguing over samson/alleyne starting is worth it bc i think they'll play about the same.
 
Colin G said:
Newton 30
Hawk 30
Alleyne 25
Jackson 30
Sanogo 30
Samson 25
Diarra 12
Calcaterra 10
Clingan/Karaban 5
Not totally sold on samson yet, I think he either produces this year or transfers. Could see more clingan minutes if sanogo is in foul trouble. Upperclassmen Hurley Lineup. I don't think arguing over samson/alleyne starting is worth it bc i think they'll play about the same.
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Karaban at 5 minutes a game is a scalding hot take
 
Psolo12 said:
Karaban at 5 minutes a game is a scalding hot take
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We don’t know who, but someone is gonna get the short end of the stick. And it’s gonna be someone everyone thought was guaranteed real playing time. It’s just guessing which player it’ll be…
 
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AJax, Hawkins, Newton, Johnson, Sanogo to start. Diarra, Calcaterra, Alleyne, Karaban off the bench.
 
REB1094 said:
I don’t think there is any reason to believe the starting 5 won’t be Newton, Hawkins, AJax, Samson, Sanogo. Karaban compete for that PF spot as the season goes on, but it should be Samson’s to start.

6- Alleyne
7- Diarra
8- Karaban
9- Clingan/Calcaterra
10- Calcaterra/Clingan
11- Springs

I don’t think anyone outside the top 8 will get more than 10 MPG. Hurley is short with his rosters
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I would be surprised if Alleyne doesn’t start to begin the year- brings a ton of experience & has the type of game in where he will not hurt the team in anyway. Coaches seem to like those type of role players.
 
EBonz30 said:
I would be surprised if Alleyne doesn’t start to begin the year- brings a ton of experience & has the type of game in where he will not hurt the team in anyway. Coaches seem to like those type of role players.
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I’m a fan of the small ball lineup with AJax at the 4 for situational/matchup minutes, but bumping Samson/Karaban out of the starting lineup probably means one of them won’t see many minutes overall. Not sure if that’s the route Hurley would go

I do see Alleyne still getting 20-25 minutes a night off the bench for an offensive spark, like a (better) Polley. Should be very competitive for BE 6th Man of the Year. I’m only not saying he should be a lock because I’m not sure who the other teams’ 6th men are
 
Candyman34 said:
100% agree, Calcaterra will play some, doesn't mean he is bumping someone from the rotation, he is just taking some minutes here and there. Especially if we are cold from the outside and we legit don't have knock down shooters playing.
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If Calcaterra is a 3&D player, he will play. This is what we needed most last year and will need this year. If he is not a 3&D then he gets few minutes and next man up.
 
Colin G said:
Newton 30
Hawk 30
Alleyne 25
Jackson 30
Sanogo 30
Samson 25
Diarra 12
Calcaterra 10
Clingan/Karaban 5
Not totally sold on samson yet, I think he either produces this year or transfers. Could see more clingan minutes if sanogo is in foul trouble. Upperclassmen Hurley Lineup. I don't think arguing over samson/alleyne starting is worth it bc i think they'll play about the same.
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Since Karaban is a three point guy
I recommend changing him to 6
Clingan to 7 just because he is 7ft
 
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