Stanford over LV

[cockhrnleghrn]

Fair enough. If you go by the rankings, as it were, at this time, it's likely they would lose to Oregon State, SC, ND, Kentucky, Mississippi State, and possibly aTm. With 3 losses already, that could be as many as 9 and if they don't win the SEC, 10 losses going into the NCAA's. they'd probably be ranked outside the top 25 and I agree that would put them as an 8-10 seed. As an 8 seed, in a UCONN bracket, we'd play them in the 2nd round. I guess if not a 4-5 seed, I'd hope they'd get an 8-9 seed...

You're assuming they'll make the NCAAT.

 

[Lobo50Fan]

There's obviously completely different circumstances now, but back in 1998 (I believe), Tennessee won their third straight national championship with either 8 or 9 losses. I am far from saying they even have a chance at getting close to the Final Four, but it has been done. Granted that team had Pat at the helm along with a cast of brilliant players. They were able to turn it around. This year, that won't happen, but if they end up with 9 or 10 wins they could still make it.

 

[msf22b]

It's undeniable that Conn's run will end eventually, but there's a huge difference between the programs. UConn, at least since Geno arrived and I started following WCBB, has never ever filed frivolous, unfounded and absurd recruiting allegations against another institution. In my mind Tennessee's demise is well deserved. UConn's eventual demise will be a sad day, but not because they deserve it.

Somehow I don't think the Vols "deserve" their rapid descent and diminishment
The present group blamed for the actions of a former coach and administration (the coach, who may have been in the throes of early, undiagnosed dementia).

None of the present players; some recruited by us, others former national teammates (and good ones too) should be held responsible.

Although, like many in this forum, I exalt in the Lady Vols current misfortune and enjoy watching such scenes as last evening's display of ineptitude, I also in my quieter moments express concern for the diminishment of a pillar franchise and especially worry about some of the fine youngsters, some really fine young woman, who came to that program to develop and improve their basketball skills to the extent that they might have a successful career and instead, find themselves in a morass of a sinking ship with their natural talents diminishing and deteriorating.

Surely there is some sadness in this.

 

[WestCoastFan]

It's undeniable that Conn's run will end eventually, but there's a huge difference between the programs. UConn, at least since Geno arrived and I started following WCBB, has never ever filed frivolous, unfounded and absurd recruiting allegations against another institution. In my mind Tennessee's demise is well deserved. UConn's eventual demise will be a sad day, but not because they deserve it.

Hopefully, the UConn administration will chose a follow-on coach that can...wait for it...COACH!

 

[Lobo50Fan]

There's obviously completely different circumstances now, but back in 1998 (I believe), Tennessee won their third straight national championship with either 8 or 9 losses. I am far from saying they even have a chance at getting close to the Final Four, but it has been done. Granted that team had Pat at the helm along with a cast of brilliant players. They were able to turn it around. This year, that won't happen, but if they end up with 9 or 10 wins they could still make it.

Losses...9 or 10 losses

 

[DaddyChoc]

The single most telling statistic; I was monitoring VolNation last night, and there was not a single complaint about the refs, in spite of the LV having about twice as many foul calls as the Tree. They are totally demoralized over yonder.

How you like your new job and is that why you haven't been posting as much over here

 

[DaddyChoc]

my observations:

1. Mercedes has to be more aggressive and stop playing at the 3 point line. I just can't take that anymore. If I see her pass the ball at the 3 point line, one more time my head is going to explode.
2. Diamond is clearly still hurt. She's nowhere near 100%.
3. Nared was REALLY missed and I expect her to be a VITAL part of any upward trend by this team.
4. Our upperclassman are just not cut out for being vocal leaders. Bash and Carter are amazing but shy away from leading THEIR team. The youngins are waiting on the veterans to step up and lead. Just don't see that happening.
5. I do think the team has a chance to turn the corner if injured players can come back and really contribute. We are so beat up. That's the reality. And we are leaning on underclassman to play more minutes than they are ready for.

Thanks Margo... but we prefer video, thanks

 

[j66kicker]

There's obviously completely different circumstances now, but back in 1998 (I believe), Tennessee won their third straight national championship with either 8 or 9 losses. I am far from saying they even have a chance at getting close to the Final Four, but it has been done. Granted that team had Pat at the helm along with a cast of brilliant players. They were able to turn it around. This year, that won't happen, but if they end up with 9 or 10 wins they could still make it.

10 losses, 1997 - 2nd NC in their '96-97-98 3-peat

 

[toadfoot]

Somehow I don't think the Vols "deserve" their rapid descent and diminishment
The present group blamed for the actions of a former coach and administration (the coach, who may have been in the throes of early, undiagnosed dementia).

None of the present players; some recruited by us, others former national teammates (and good ones too) should be held responsible.

Although, like many in this forum, I exalt in the Lady Vols current misfortune and enjoy watching such scenes as last evening's display of ineptitude, I also in my quieter moments express concern for the diminishment of a pillar franchise and especially worry about some of the fine youngsters, some really fine young woman, who came to that program to develop and improve their basketball skills to the extent that they might have a successful career and instead, find themselves in a morass of a sinking ship with their natural talents diminishing and deteriorating.

Surely there is some sadness in this.

Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree. The UT coaching staff, administration, AD and the SEC were all complicit in the events that transpired between UT and UConn and they absolutely do deserve whatever basketball misfortune comes their way. As I've said on other threads, I do feel sadness for some of their fans, especially the few decent Vol fans that post on the Boneyard and for the players, who I'm sure played no part, but unfortunately there's simply no way to unlink all the guilty from the innocent.

As for your suggestion that the actions of a former coach might have been in some part due to an illness... not buying it. The university, and/or the AD and/or the SEC could have put the brakes on the entire sorry episode and apologized to UConn and the individuals who were slandered at any time and they chose not to.

In sum I'd be perfectly content if UT's women's basketball sank to the bottom of the SEC and stayed there for many years. I'd also be perfectly happy to forgive and forget if all the UT/SEC parties came forward and apologized, but it's clear that's not gonna happen.

 

[Lobo50Fan]

10 losses, 1997 - 2nd NC in their '96-97-98 3-peat

Thank you, j66kicker. I knew it was one of the years, for some reason I thought it was the third one. I don't know if this is veering off topic at all, but that's the only time that's happened, right? Won the championship with that many losses?

 

[j66kicker]

Thank you, j66kicker. I knew it was one of the years, for some reason I thought it was the third one. I don't know if this is veering off topic at all, but that's the only time that's happened, right? Won the championship with that many losses?

Pretty sure

 

[Bayareahusky]

my observations:

1. Mercedes has to be more aggressive and stop playing at the 3 point line. I just can't take that anymore. If I see her pass the ball at the 3 point line, one more time my head is going to explode.
2. Diamond is clearly still hurt. She's nowhere near 100%.
3. Nared was REALLY missed and I expect her to be a VITAL part of any upward trend by this team.
4. Our upperclassman are just not cut out for being vocal leaders. Bash and Carter are amazing but shy away from leading THEIR team. The youngins are waiting on the veterans to step up and lead. Just don't see that happening.
5. I do think the team has a chance to turn the corner if injured players can come back and really contribute. We are so beat up. That's the reality. And we are leaning on underclassman to play more minutes than they are ready for.

Always like your take on all things LV, and agree with most of this..... On #2, will Diamond always one of those players who will be somewhat nicked up..... her legs seem somewhat fragile.... and on #5, ya, you really miss the 3 who graduated, which everyone knew, but LV9, shouldn't you be simply whomping on the East Tennessees, and Va Techs of the world, based sheerly on your amazing team talent? Teams like these shouldn't be any match for even Carter, Reynolds, and Jones..... before Diamond and mercedes are even mentioned..... Another thread on BY reflected on my reasoning I would like to see Tenn be good..... I like to see the WCBB game elevated.... and it is always good to see Notre Dame, Stanford, South Carolina, UConn, Tennessee, and Baylor programs doing well.... when my feelings on Holly's ability come out, they are harsh, because I do not believe in her coaching prowess, but I do hope your Vols get it together by tournament time.

 

[LadyVols9]

Always like your take on all things LV, and agree with most of this..... On #2, will Diamond always one of those players who will be somewhat nicked up..... her legs seem somewhat fragile.... and on #5, ya, you really miss the 3 who graduated, which everyone knew, but LV9, shouldn't you be simply whomping on the East Tennessees, and Va Techs of the world, based sheerly on your amazing team talent? Teams like these shouldn't be any match for even Carter, Reynolds, and Jones..... before Diamond and mercedes are even mentioned..... Another thread on BY reflected on my reasoning I would like to see Tenn be good..... I like to see the WCBB game elevated.... and it is always good to see Notre Dame, Stanford, South Carolina, UConn, Tennessee, and Baylor programs doing well.... when my feelings on Holly's ability come out, they are harsh, because I do not believe in her coaching prowess, but I do hope your Vols get it together by tournament time.

I don't disagree with anything you said. We should be killing those awful teams. Holly mentioned early on that the team wasn't very mature and needed to find leaders. I just thought that was coach talk. It was not. We sure do miss the seniors. I certainly underestimated what their departure would do at TN.

As for Holly's coaching, I love her but I won't support her past this year if she can't show that she has the ability to fix this. It's still early in the season, people will be back from injuries, etc. I gotta believe in her for now.

 

[WestCoastFan]

I don't disagree with anything you said. We should be killing those awful teams. Holly mentioned early on that the team wasn't very mature and needed to find leaders. I just thought that was coach talk. It was not. We sure do miss the seniors. I certainly underestimated what their departure would do at TN.

As for Holly's coaching, I love her but I won't support her past this year if she can't show that she has the ability to fix this. It's still early in the season, people will be back from injuries, etc. I gotta believe in her for now.

No you don't. It's America!

 

[Bayareahusky]

I don't disagree with anything you said. We should be killing those awful teams. Holly mentioned early on that the team wasn't very mature and needed to find leaders. I just thought that was coach talk. It was not. We sure do miss the seniors. I certainly underestimated what their departure would do at TN.

As for Holly's coaching, I love her but I won't support her past this year if she can't show that she has the ability to fix this. It's still early in the season, people will be back from injuries, etc. I gotta believe in her for now.

Thank you LV9, I love your contribution to the board...... to be repetitive, love your take on all things Tenn..... I try to temper my comments.... cause i try to be polite.... i just have never been a Holly believer...... but just as I like to see the Cleveland Browns be strong.... (analogy may not be too good) ..... I always like to see th LVs show well..... always have been a stalwart in WCBB.....Pat of course is trailblazer

Last year, because of new player personnel, Tara went to her coaching friends and implemented new offense...... and tested it out on US!!!! the very first game offense was tested..... and she beat us..... that is the thing I think Holly could do...... none of us is a brainiac at all things..... need to seek help where necessary...... i.e. go see what Muffet is doing..... you guyz have the horses to rise to the top.....

I am UConn through and through...... graduated 30 years ago, and love our program..... but i like seeing ND strong, and Tara's team strong...... etc..... and you guyz as well, LV9.......

 

[Zorro]

How you like your new job and is that why you haven't been posting as much over here

Bad choice of words, Daddy. "Lurking" would have been a better choice!

 

[donalddoowop]

You maybe right, but at 10-0, Mizzou may have one of the easiest schedules so far this year - their toughest game being possibly against Wake (Sagarin has Missouri with a SOS of 218 - pretty wretched for a team in the SEC)...

Wake by the way lost to Mizzou, Wisconsin and Belmont. Mizzou's recent win was over a Colorado team that's now 4-5, and they won by 4 points. The first ranked team they face will be Tennessee (if they are still ranked) in early January. They could have a great record, but still be an average team...

MU has a good team but won't win the SEC. The ooc schedule was probably the result of wanting to give their two outstanding freshmen a chance to play and get acclimated to big time basketball. The other freshman is a 6'4" player whose last name is Porter. She is from a family of big time college players Her sister is also on the team. I mentioned that MU would win because of the way the LVs are playing this season.

 

[HuskyNan]

10 losses, 1997 - 2nd NC in their '96-97-98 3-peat

Apples and oranges to this season. Most of the 1997 losses were due to point guard Kelly Jolly's sitting out with an injury.This year the LVs are losing because theyre just bad.

 

[EricLA]

Apples and oranges to this season. Most of the 1997 losses were due to point guard Kelly Jolly's sitting out with an injury.This year the LVs are losing because theyre just bad.

In fairness, they did have an injury to Jaime Nared who is in the starting lineup now that she's back (at least she was vs. Stanford)... Then again, she took shots away from Diamond and T'ea so maybe she will be subtraction by addition...

 

[Bayareahusky]

and Pat's hand wuz firmly on the tiller at that point

 

[msf22b]

Still silence from Margo: 9:30 PM Friday eve
Perhaps lumping together with Saturday's game?
Not like her

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Wrung everything we can out of this one have we not?

 

[Geno-ista]

I don't disagree with anything you said. We should be killing those awful teams. Holly mentioned early on that the team wasn't very mature and needed to find leaders. I just thought that was coach talk. It was not. We sure do miss the seniors. I certainly underestimated what their departure would do at TN.

As for Holly's coaching, I love her but I won't support her past this year if she can't show that she has the ability to fix this. It's still early in the season, people will be back from injuries, etc. I gotta believe in her for now.

LV9- omg - I can't imagine the pain of watching UConn sink to the level of the l vols current game. I'm not being sarcastic. I don't know how much longer they will let this go on- but there are 15-20 real coaches that could improve that program immediately. But I'm not sure that the team has the right attitudes even with the right coach. They are painful to watch. She could never turn things around. I'm not losing sleep over it. But well coached teams with half the raw talent will win 50 % of the time vs Tenn. They stand around. Nothing going on, on offense. I also have brief moments of insanity, where I feel bad for vol nation. Then I breeze thru the blog, and read just enough of the really hateful posts, to eventually get my mind right. good luck. The longer they wait, the longer the road to recovery.