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Kaizen said:
Stanford lost the game because of the refs. not because South Carolina is better.
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Stanford lost because SC is both very aggressive and very good while Stanford is very finesse, very good, but not as aggressive. Aggressive typically wins in a toss up game because the Refs don't call everything. The team that is offensively aggressive (i.e. taking the ball to the basket) gets the calls. That is what Uconn needs to do more - Westbrook could do but mostly doesn't. The team with the sizeable lead need to get a good possession (i.e. no turnover, good shot whenever it presents itself but no particular hurry). Stanford didn't achieve that. Most of the turnovers weren't on uncalled fouls but SC's aggressiveness in slapping the ball out of hands while Stanford was focusing on the inside pass. The only way a team as far behind as SC can overcome a lead of that size is to make the game play faster and that is what they did by amping up their aggressiveness
 
ReadR00ster said:
You are not living it reality. Boston gets the same calls Griner and Dela Done get's because they are tall and don't go out of their way to foul. You are predisposed against her so you see her as fouling but she is really not.
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I disagree. She clearly pushed Brink who fell on that rebound after the foul shot and it wound up being a jump ball. She also pushed the Stanford player into the lane and it went against Stanford and the free throw was negated. The rules apply to her equally, not less because of her size. These were at the end of the game when it mattered. The refs stunk. They missed that clear foul on Henderson at the end of the half. The list is very long. Name a high profile women's basketball game recently that you think the refs didn't miss an obvious call. There is a massive, systemic problem in their training.
 
I don't disagree that there were questionable calls, non-calls and even an unexplained stoppage (which is why I think Tara was livid and escorted out by security). I can't remember if I've ever seen her that angry. Having said that, my personal objective opinion is Stanford didn't help themselves by....not calling TO during the SC run until it was too late. At home, I can see it, but not on the road. Second, they should have stayed in zone more for two reasons... SC isn't a great perimeter shooting team and Hull (not Lexie) could not stop the Henderson penetration. Actually, I would have sat Hull and played Prechtel...who played really good defense and also gave Stanford another perimeter threat. Once SC negated Lexie Hull...why would SC worry about perimeter threats?
 
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South Carolina are like the Detroit Pistons in the Jordan era. One push and one shove after another. Hack city. Boston literally shoved a player 15 feet across the court on one play and didn't get called. Boston gets the Jordan treatment regularly.

Can't believe how many times Stanford made 3 pointers. When they played Texas they couldn't buy a 3. Great game overall.
 
Your not going to beat SC at home no matter how well you play..Maryland found that out..that being said Stanford is a good team but isn't going anywhere without a point guard..it showed tonite how much they miss K.Williams from last year..and Brinks..sorry she may be talented but is a foul machine who can't stay on the floor..she was nonexistent against Tenn and terrible tonight
On the other hand Amihere except when she was running the point for a few games has anyone ever seen her pass the ball..go back to last year the same thing.If she gets the ball within 10' of the basket she is going to drive to the rim even if it's 1 on 4
D Henderson was great tonite.That's what worried me when they played Uconn..I couldn't see her shooting 5/17 with 8 to's like she did last year..she has really improved and is the 2nd best player on SC.
 
That Stanford suppose to be smart thing, I think you are confusing intelligent and smart. They get there because they are intelligent.
 
You look at the box score and Stanford should win. Some of you are thinkin its southern cookin.
 
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Why are so many of you upset or surprised by the ref's calls?
The referees in WCBB and WNBA have been terrible for as long as I can remember and no one in the NCAA or League offices does anything about it!
There is a rating system by coaches and 99% of the time it is ignored.
Most supervisors of each conference are retired ref's who won't punish their friends!
Most coaches realize if they complain too much the upcoming games refs will pay back that coach! So they grin & bear it!
 
After the 2013 loss at Maples I have no sympathy for the hose job the Trees got in Columbia.

My biggest complaint was that the refs turned the last couple minutes into a series of whistles 10 seconds apart. It was an exciting and well matched game, up until it was taken over by the officials.
 
Sluconn Husky said:
Boston fouled Hull on the FT miss that wasn't called anyway. Not to mention the shove that sent Jones flying and resulted in a three for SC.

Refs deserve to at least be co number ones next week.
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I remember a game in AAU where my daughter was slapped heavily on the forearm. I shouted to the ref, “didn’t you hear the foul?!”. He answered, “I heard it, but I didn’t see it”. At all levels, officials always have an excuse for not calling obvious fouls.
 
has SC become the new Tennessee? Seems like most people who are not neutral were rooting for Stanford lol. Also the op should learn how to spell before he starts calling young adults smart.
 
As of now, SC, Stanford & UConn are the top 3 programs in the country. I agree the officiating was abysmal in last night’s game. Particularly galling was the no-call on Henderson’s shot at the end of the half and Boston flinging Haley Jones across the foul line.

To her credit, Dawn Staley has assembled many pieces to win the NC. Of course, they were playing at home, but Zia Cooke had an off night and they won. Also, to her credit, she has worked the refs over the years to allow Boston to play her physical style without getting called for offensive fouls. SC is deep and talented, but Stanford should have won last night. As someone mentioned, Prechtel did a decent job defensively on Boston and should have played more.

Stanford’s Achilles heel is at point guard. Unless they solve this issue, their chance at a repeat is dim. Like SC, they have the talent and a deep roster and the first half last night showed what they are capable of. The second half also showed what they are capable of - turnovers.

UConn would/will be right in the mix if or when Paige & Fudd are back and fully integrated in the offense. UConn can match up player for player with anybody and once fully healthy, can mix and match based on opponent and style of game. That appears some way off, but have to keep looking at the road ahead.
 
It is sobering for those doubters…South Carolina ….is deep….physical….very talented and defense is their forte and if allowed to maul the finesse Cardinals and other teams in the tournament they will be tough to beat. Stanford is also very deep and talented. Scary good.
But still If Paige can return and be Paige and others recover….I put my money on Coach Auriemma and UCONN….what counts is March…..
 
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Surly1 said:
As of now, SC, Stanford & UConn are the top 3 programs in the country. I agree the officiating was abysmal in last night’s game. Particularly galling was the no-call on Henderson’s shot at the end of the half and Boston flinging Haley Jones across the foul line.

To her credit, Dawn Staley has assembled many pieces to win the NC. Of course, they were playing at home, but Zia Cooke had an off night and they won. Also, to her credit, she has worked the refs over the years to allow Boston to play her physical style without getting called for offensive fouls. SC is deep and talented, but Stanford should have won last night. As someone mentioned, Prechtel did a decent job defensively on Boston and should have played more.

Stanford’s Achilles heel is at point guard. Unless they solve this issue, their chance at a repeat is dim. Like SC, they have the talent and a deep roster and the first half last night showed what they are capable of. The second half also showed what they are capable of - turnovers.

UConn would/will be right in the mix if or when Paige & Fudd are back and fully integrated in the offense. UConn can match up player for player with anybody and once fully healthy, can mix and match based on opponent and style of game. That appears some way off, but have to keep looking at the road ahead.
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Not sure there’s a matchup I like against Boston. But AEdwards was physical with her last year so a combination of the three bigs against Boston. The problem is we need the bigs to score some to take pressure off the guards, if we can match Boston’s production from our 3 post players then I like our chances.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
What do the rules say about that? Hard to tell if Boston pushed her, leaned on her, gave her a nudge, whatever, but let's say she did and the refs acknowledge it, what happens then?
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If she pushes her it is a foul. I did not see any push, she leaned in and Stanford player stepped into the lane, Boston also stepped into the lane but it was after the Stanford player committed the lane violation. I thought the refs got that one right but there were obvious fouls that were not called. SC being the most physical team benefited from the missed calls.
 
I'm not going to lie many of the comments appear to be sour grapes that SC didn't lose. The officiating was bad on both sides. There was Beal I believe getting pushed out of bounce by one of the Hulls and refs called nothing and gave Stanford the ball. There was Henderson clearly going for 3 at the end of the first half and was clearly got hit on the hand and it went uncalled. Jones got away with an arm to face of Henderson and some point in the 2nd half as well.
It's crazy to me that people are more upset about this game but not when it came the egregious missed calls in the final couple minutes of the Final Four that gave Stanford the lead and the eventual win and that game actually had real consequences. This was a good game and both teams likely comes out of it better when it comes to both tape and motivation.
The refs didn't lose Stanford this game, Stanford did. Much like the Tennessee game Stanford came out flat in the 2nd half and SC took full advantage in the 3rd quarter.
 
ReadR00ster said:
you are seriously trying to blame Boston for Belebi stepping into the lane first, you are nuts?
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Is this a South Carolina fan in the boneyard. Or is it a fan pulling for South Carolina.
 
No disrespect or offense here, Goes to show you, that you do not have to be smart to win a basketball game.

And, maybe, South Carolina is the best women's basketball team for this season.
 
GCKSFN4L said:
I'm not going to lie many of the comments appear to be sour grapes that SC didn't lose. The officiating was bad on both sides. There was Beal I believe getting pushed out of bounce by one of the Hulls and refs called nothing and gave Stanford the ball. There was Henderson clearly going for 3 at the end of the first half and was clearly got hit on the hand and it went uncalled. Jones got away with an arm to face of Henderson and some point in the 2nd half as well.
It's crazy to me that people are more upset about this game but not when it came the egregious missed calls in the final couple minutes of the Final Four that gave Stanford the lead and the eventual win and that game actually had real consequences. This was a good game and both teams likely comes out of it better when it comes to both tape and motivation.
The refs didn't lose Stanford this game, Stanford did. Much like the Tennessee game Stanford came out flat in the 2nd half and SC took full advantage in the 3rd quarter.
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I think we sympathize more with Stanford because they play a finesse style like the Huskies. If SC gets away with that Ievel of physicality, it's very hard to overcome. The only real solution is to shoot the lights out.
 
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Jmsdawg said:
If she pushes her it is a foul. I did not see any push, she leaned in and Stanford player stepped into the lane, Boston also stepped into the lane but it was after the Stanford player committed the lane violation. I thought the refs got that one right but there were obvious fouls that were not called. SC being the most physical team benefited from the missed calls.
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When is a lean a push? If the movement of Boston's body causes the lane infraction it is still the cause of the infraction whether she uses her hands or her body and it is still a foul or at least a no call. SC got two glaring no calls/ calls in their favor down the stretch. I can't really remember Boston being in foul trouble lately but if you watch closely you will see that she pushes/ leans constantly.
 
BBallF said:
When is a lean a push? If the movement of Boston's body causes the lane infraction it is still the cause of the infraction whether she uses her hands or her body and it is still a foul or at least a no call. SC got two glaring no calls/ calls in their favor down the stretch. I can't really remember Boston being in foul trouble lately but if you watch closely you will see that she pushes/ leans constantly.
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I also wanted to add this. There are lines separating the players on the lane during a foul shot. You can't invade another player's space. That's what Boston did first. She invaded the Stanford player's space laterally before the ball hit the rim and that's what caused the lane infraction. It's a foul. A little too sophisticated for that group of referees however who should never work a big game on national TV again.
 
Interested in Stanford fans' perspectives, but to me this is another game where Hayley Jones needed to takeover and for whatever reason didn't. Stanford won last year's national championship because she finally acted like the best player on the court in the two final four games. Toward the end of the game in particular, I thought Stanford's best offense was when they had Jones run the PG and let her find a way to score. She didn't seem to have faith in her outside shot, but there's no way she shouldn't be trying to draw more fouls going to the basket.

It shows how deep SC is that Staley sat Zia Cooke (who is in some kind of funk) most of the second half and that's when they went on their run. So many tools at her disposal. Beal and Saxton are such great utility players who go to work and get the job done every night.
 
OK, so I thought this board was a board of intelligent WBB fans. As a non-Connecticut WBB fan, I get to bring some enlightenment.

The Official collegiate women's basketball rules per the NCAA:

RULE 9
Violations and Penalties
Section 1. Free-Throw Violations

Art. 1. After the ball is placed at the disposal of a free-thrower, it is a violation
when:

a - The free-thrower fails to release the try within 10 seconds and in such a
way that the ball enters the basket or touches the ring or flange before the
free throw ends.

b - The free-thrower purposely fakes a try or the free-thrower’s teammates or
opponents purposely fake a violation.

c - The free-thrower breaks the vertical plane of the free-throw line with
either foot before the ball strikes the ring, flange, or backboard, or before
the free throw ends.

d - The free-thrower enters the semicircle after the ball has been placed
at their disposal or leaves before the try contacts the ring, flange, or
backboard, or before the free throw ends.

e - A player enters or leaves a marked lane space or contacts any part of the
playing court outside the marked lane space before the free-thrower has
released the ball.

f - An opponent (player or bench personnel) disconcerts (e.g., taunts, baits,
gestures or delays) the free-thrower.

g - Any player not located in a legal marked lane space fails to remain behind
the free-throw line extended and behind the three-point field-goal line
until the ball strikes the ring, flange or backboard, or until the free throw
ends.

h - Any player occupying any of the legal marked lane spaces on each side
of the lane breaks the vertical plane of a lane-space boundary before the
free-thrower has released the ball.

i - Any player occupying a legal marked lane space has either foot beyond
the vertical plane of the outside edge of any legal lane boundary, beyond
the vertical plane of any edge of space (2 by 36 inches) designated by a
legal lane-space mark or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the lane
before the ball is released by the free-thrower.

j - A team has more than the maximum number of players permitted on the
free-throw lane.

k - An opponent of the free-thrower fails to occupy each lane space above and
adjacent to the block.

l - A teammate of the free-thrower occupies either of the legal lane spaces
above and adjacent to the block.

(Page 77)

The only rules violations involve contact of player's feet where it involves entitled spaces on the floor. There is NO rule violation for coming into contact with an opposing player in order to position for the rebound of a missed attempt. The determination of a player's positioning in relevance to assigned/entitled "marked lane spaces" involves the positioning of their feet in contact with the playing surface.

Opposing players have been allowed to engage in contact with their hands/arms/elbows/shoulders in battling for rebounding positioning - as long as the above rules are not violated - in both collegiate and professional basketball for literally generations. It is viewed as no different than two opposing players battling and positioning for rebounding positioning under the basket during a shot attempt from the field. They both have a right to the vertical spaces they occupy, and the right to fight to maintain that occupation.

It has always fallen to the officials to determine if any physical contact falls outside of the boundaries of "normal basketball contact" - a player cannot shove an opposing player aside, and cannot punch an opponent in the face and call it battling for positioning. But that interpretation by the officials have always been there, and for all aspects of playing basketball.

Boston did NOT push or shove Belibi into the lane. She leaned or pushed sideways into Belibi in the act of battling for rebounding positioning. Boston herself almost stepped into the lane - she was on her tip-toes when she leaned into Belibi. Belibi herself let herself lose her balance, and stepped into the lane prior to the ball leaving Brink's hands.

So the appropriate call for the event: no foul for Boston doing what the rules allow her and anyone else to do; a clear foul of lane violation on Belibi for stepping into the lane before Brink let loose of the free throw shot attempt.
 
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